Looks like we’ve got a Captain who can’t read charts or or steer a course and a crew whose only experience of the sea was a trip on the Park pond.
Where’s the creativity, the fight, the spirit, we have 10 outfield players with all the get up and go of a mobility buggy going through the motions and Askey is a stuck record coming out with the same old bewilderment in his post match comments.
We have a blob of anonymous players who are indistinguishable, performing in the same anonymous mediocre repetitive way every game, no anger, no fire in their bellies at the final whistle just a shrug and meek acceptance ….. do they have any pride, do they actually care or feel any embarrassment or shame….?
This has to be sorted.

We have one hope the lad up front. I wouldnt bank on mancini turning things back around, we probobly wont see him for months to come even if were told he might be back xmas time. Its just all meek and mild an acceptance of easy defeats. Only oxford city are below us in the form table and they put 5 past us. Been saying for weeks if we dont do something were in the shit, we still plod on doing nothing. A month signing here and there wont do us much good, we need quality and quick.

Last night was a mile post for me as until then I wanted to see if they had the character to fight…they haven’t, they appear to be going through the motions.
Yes I do worry, because we’re sleep walking as our squad could do with 250 volts up their backsides or someone who can get them to wake up.
It’s a job to them, it’s everything to us.

They simply arent good enough they may win the odd game but their list of defeats recently is frightening. This team would not make the play offs of the league below. The club will be worth nothing in the conference north so if were not prepared to drastically change things and once the efl money has dissapeared down the drain, things will eventually come to a head. See no point sacking askey be the same groundhog day with another manager.

Askey would be the logical target if this continues, not saying he’s the right target , but certainly the easiest target …but it irritates me when the majority of targets are on the pitch.

the big difference last night was that an average looking halifax looked to have an extra player on the pitch to us. always making sure of getting the second balls and could actually clear their lines. there second goal and the lead up to it from the kick off should be played back to them till they are as totally sick of it like we were last night. was very close walking out then. do not get me on about tactics. what is the point of manny d winning nearly all his headers and having no real help up with him. if we had put the same effort and composure as they showed we,d have got something out of that shay show.

Watched 15 minutes of it and they looked in a different class to us. I was that embarassed i turned it off. Thought well this be a loss. To my shock i put it on and we were 1 -1 30 seconds later we conceded again. What an utter shambles we are. No money will be passed over for a ticket this week from me. If the players and chairman cant be arsed then either can i.

can we send seaman back to doncaster. i,ll come up on saturday if we can and he wants a free lift back.

Seaman - another who started the season unbelievably well. The drop offs in individual performances have been staggering.

During the promotion season we signed Armstrong / Sterry and it completely changed things. That is exactly where we are now.

those two might have changed things but the team was only improved by them and was not too bad without them. now is a different ball game. surely those out injured were not carrying the rest when we were playing well. we might have seen a drop off in wins and performance but thats no excuse for what looks like a drop off in attitude as well. think we have gone past the situation where a couple of good new players coming in can change things. more likely they,ll be dragged down to the attitude of the others on the pitch. however do not worry we,l be told how well they have trained this week.

Body language of the players seems to me they have lost belief in the manager.

And the body language of the manager seems he,s lost belief in the players.

No win situation, I,m afraid, Something has got to give.

John Askey's post match comments are beginning to sound like a CD of twenty same tracks. I like the man but get irritated by such phrases (not only by him but other managers), "at the football club." Its not at the football club John its Hartlepool United, Pools, Dockers whatever but it sounds very detached to me with no real feel for the club. Two things in his comments struck out at me. What he has to work with and the manager carries the can. Is he saying that he hasn't really got the players he wants? And is he resigned to going down the road say after another defeat on Saturday? Don't want it to happen of course but Rochdale have started to find their feet in this league. The crowd which would have been a good one if Pools early season momentum had kept going. Saturday will probably see it down to 3,000 + and probably 4 0r 500 Rochdale fans. What is it? 4 out of the last 5 home matches lost 0-2? The crowd won't be very vocal and the players will be expecting a backlash. I would like to think that those players get together before the weekend and thrash this out and put some life into what is beginning to look like a drifting ship rudderless and pumps not working and the rocks are a mile away as it drifts on an incoming tide.

Did you have the wife asking that classic question…”I thought you were watching the match ”

It’s the manager to go then, you can’t replace a full team (I use the word ‘team’ in it’s loosest sense)

Good point about the start of the season, they impressed then faded…..makes you wonder though just what’s going on in the dressing room.
Even if Raj opened the armoured bank vault and actually splashed the cash, what’s to say they won’t be dragged down to this level as well.

possibly because there are too many players at the club that only shine when the team is winning games.

I don't think expecting the owner to splash the cash to pull us up by the stocking tops is very realistic or feasible given the flak being chucked at him. I would love it if he did. It has been witnessed by us all that this bunch of players led by Askey can produce decent performances on occasions but performing on occasions isn't good enough. We can't just sack those on contract unless bad attitude is a heinous enough crime to warrant tearing up a few (at least) contracts. Without further funding, which itself doesn't come with guarantees, our finishing position rests on two factors. Return of the wounded and/ or a change in the team's attitude to giving of one's best. The former is in in the hands of the medical and fitness people and the latter is in the hands of the manager to create a regime where the players give their all. We will only be free of these problems if and when we are in a position where injuries/suspensions are less of a problem and our tactics/team selection/ attitude and battling factors improve. If we carry on as we are heading out of this league and it's not the way we all crave.
I would ask the owner to find a way to help ease the problem with further funding, ask the coaching team to get the attitude and tactics right and the ever growing list of fans to back off attacking anybody at the club and do what we are best at, which is getting behind the team and the team to put in at least some of the effort and passion the fans have.
Then we have a chance.
I know people will make choices and I support their right on that score but I don't think boycotting will be productive. In fact it will probably be counter productive. Passions are high as we all know but we need a coming together not an increase in animosity or ill will. Division weakens whereas togetherness strengthens.
As for your part Mr Singh, just as the buck stops with you, galvanising the rest of us is probably best started by you. So are you prepared to be the leader, the catalyst, that will endear you to the fans.

actually what can he or any other owner actually do but put there own money into clubs. know every fan wants more being spent but know one will convince me that he has spent nothing compared to other owners in this league where players in teams beating us are payed less. it aint the money as they knew in the first place what was on offer and a fair idea what other clubs are also paying. then its the profile of the owner himself. in the early days of watching football i had no clue whatsoever who the chairman of pools was. knew the managers name because my dad told me. now kids of the age i was know possibly first who raj and askey are and then find out the names of the players. its the players we come to watch and those who do have pride in them. selves need to get a grip on those who do not care the same. owners and managers can help but its down to who we come to see who can sort out the shit, the players.

You’re right..when I first started watching Pools seriously it was Councillor Curry who was chairman, all small business men and I only knew that because I got £20 of him for designing the triangular Pools badge for the club.

Singh has not put any money into the club, as I said before the clubs finances are run through Clarence 18, it will them who go t*** up if Singh puts the club into administration not Prestige Homes, his own money will be intact.

Yeah I know but we can only try to help. Watching what is unfolding is painful to say the least. Something has to change and the obvious one to start it off is the guy at the top.

The Seaman one is no surprise, we had a player who was weak defensively but good going fwd when he could combine with other decent footballers, the loss of Dodds and mancini has put pay to that----the interplay between the 3 of them at the start of the season was very good

So now we are left with a wing back who is a poor defender and a team that cant get the best out of his attacking characteristics---thats why losing Dodds and Mancini was so brutal, they weren't just good players they made the players around them much better.

Yes had it about 3 times, it was soul destroying stuff the brief times i watched it, i might of picked a bad 15 minutes but it looked like halifax were going to score at will. Married at first sight became the better option afterall.

Spot on Snowy

Singh hasn't put money into pools because the they're run by Clarence House? Who finds Clarence House then? All limited Companies are structured so that the business only is at risk, not individuals other businesses or private wealth. Nothing dodgy there it's just the way it works.
And if Singh isn't putting money in, who is because money doesn't grow on trees.
Singh has said he's put his own money in now why would he make such a public statement if he hasn't? This blind antagonism toward the man without any actual evidence to back up comments such as this is ridiculous and totally unhelpful.
And, I fully accept that what he's put in may or may not have been in the form of loans, but the bottom line is that it's impossible that we're still in existence if he hasn't put money in, we would have gone into administration at the time he took over.

thats totally true and if ny some miracle they were both back fully fit we would not be having these comments. you c annot help knocking some players but must realise if everyone was fully fit they might not even make the bench. we just never had any strength in depth.

I’m afraid some people are like a dog with a bone…..they don’t like someone and don’t want to, so they become the target for their own paranoia, what fuels it is hard to say.
If he hadn’t stepped in, we’d have been history. There was never gonna be some noble drop down the pyramid to gallantly fight our way up from obscurity climbing through the leagues to teach the top…that’s comic book thinking….not very grown up and not realistic.
So there we are, the bills get paid, the wages get paid, no more cringing under former owners and the ground is presentable.
He doesn’t buy the players, train them or sort out the tactics, he delegates to a manager and I’d imagine he ain’t gonna tolerate under performers in that job or any job.

BUT, Apart from that what have the Romans done for us.

Candles.

Exactly

You really do worry me

Is there something wrong in what I've said then? If Singh hasnt been financing the club then who has?
The more worrying thing to me is this belief that if he walks today then there's someone waiting to step in with Megabucks to resurrect us, or that we drop out and make a remarkable resurgence through the lower leagues with crowds of 5000, with what funding, what manager or players, where would we play, etc etc.
It's a pity Drs can't prescribe reality pills for some on here because they're the worrying ones!

Why would he walk? He holds a football club with potential, he would rather take 500 k than nothing. Unless he has money to burn.

Reality is we could soon be playing farsley celtic on a regual basis, if we dont get a grip. A chairman with money or no money that is unnacceptable. Its not good enough. Would you still be saying all this if we were bottom half of conference north? Wheres the cut off point before fans think hang on this aint good enough.?

Gunna give u a few examples matey as far as to who n whats been financing Pools for the last 2 seasons.
Luca murphy compo from fulham.
Compo from SCFC for king Davy.
Sky n EFL tv moneys.
Sponsorship.
The fans.
Fa Cup prize moneys plus gate moneys 40%.
Loads more but got to get ready for work.

On the money Kev

And how do you know that there's more come in than gone out in that time? You're just guessing, Raj has said running the club has cost him money so that would suggest that there's been a shortfall.
What he's put in may be a loan, I doubt it would be a gift, but it's still money he'll lose if we go tits up.
If you can provide the figures to back up the claims he's put nowt in then I'll accept that he's lied and I'm wrong, but I think I'm in for a long wait.

Also, if the club is basically running at zero cost to Raj, isn't it strange that nobody has come forward with proof of funds to keep us going for the season - ie they only need to provide proof of having £0 in the bank.
If it really costs Raj nothing at all then why don't any of you who constantly criticise him offer to take over, after all it's basically a free ride, surely at least one of you must be in the black?

Signs of desperation all of a sudden from the ‘Raj out committee’.
The crisis is in the dressing room and they’re regurgitating the same moans they had a couple of years ago.

Just for clarity, I am not a Raj supporter I am a Pools supporter.
I'd happily see the back of him under his terms because that would mean we carry on as a football club and probably with more money behind us. But I'd still be grateful to him for keeping us afloat. He's done probably as much as he can, and with the best intent as far as I can see.
I don't want to see the back of him if it means administration and the destruction of my club that I've supported for almost 60 years.

You forget some of the money you listed was a while back, we will be paying Hartley, Young, Lee, Nelson and probably Curle and West salaries, the loan repayments when the loan was taken out after Coxhall left, the rest will be used in the day to day running of the club. IOR were writing off a million pounds a season, Singh isn’t in the position to do that.

My sentiments exactly. If you’re adrift in a rubber dinghy with patches and deflating you don’t make things worse by pulling out your Stanley knife because the rescuers haven’t turned up.
You hang on because there’s no other option for the time being.

funny how early this season when we were doing well the name raj singh never got a mention on here or in a conversation at a match. its as if he never existed.

When did you become Pools accountant’s……it’s obvious you’re just speculating without a clue….
You have the financial skills of Wilkins Micawber! His quote is famous, look it up.

Can we put this "IOR were putting a million a year in" bollocks.

They weren't
its nonsense
It was all smoke and mirrors.

The bulk of that supposed £1m a year was shown in the accounts as admin costs back to IOR group.

IOR were subsidising Pools some where along the lines or writing the debts off every season some how through IOR who were a company at the time employ only 20 people, they like Pools were registered in the Virgin Island. With IOR not a registered as paying tax in the U.K. we don’t know their income or expenditure.

Go on Kevin i,ll join in.

Can you now list the Expenditure.

Jog on.
I aint got enuf time.
Just a few samplers there to educate them who need educating on basic Commerce.

Embarrassing