Southgates thoughts:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67025054

all we have really done is added to human errors by match officialson the day to add even more of them at the VAR HQ. all technowledgy is only as good as the humans who operate it. possibly if there were no mistakes there would be no goals, accidents and all the rest of the shit we get thrown at us in life. if anyone does want zero mistakes then sport is not for them.

Also if there was no cheating players which football is riddled with.

thats fine though to do it if we gain from it. in football now some players can be too honest at times and match officials are too eager to give a cheating defender the benefit of the doubt in there fear of awarding a goal that should not have happened.

Just a thought but they would be better if they used 4 "linos"in a match which hopefully will see more fouls, offsides and cheating and less controversy.

The game is at such a high pace now this technology has greatly helped the official get it right.
Yes there will be errors but a lot less than there were.
It has clipped the wings of the cheating premier league twats.
UTP

Human error has always been part of sport both professional and otherwise. I guess when VAR first came out everyone thought that would be the end of human error from the match officials. Turns out not to be the case and not just in football. It is what it is.

Looks like we are stuck with it, Cause the FA will never admit they were wrong.

Myself i would like the VAR officals to notify thr ref (within a resonable time) of a POSSIBLE infringement.
Then the ref should be allowed to view a reply of the incident on the pitchside monitor
WITHOUT guidence from VAR.
After all he is the match offical.

And a verbal explanation from the ref through the tannoy system
So the Fans understand what the hell is going on.

Instead of colored lines on the screen looking like a child has done it.
Hate it and never will like it, its Shite.

VAR …I don’t mind a bit of human fallibility on the pitch, it works both ways, so get rid of the nanny stato’s and let the game flow.

Pre VAR there were always talking points over refs and lino performances after matches. Now we have the same talking points plus VAR. Brings nothing to the game for me, doesn't help that the Officials and VAR teams are so matey and don't like highlighting mistakes by those mates.
Standard of officials at all levels of the game in England is abysmal.

Agree 100%.

Get it scrapped, ruining football, if the top league isnt ruined already.

shit drops down though and not goes upwards. a lot of what lower division fans have to suffer started at the top after the introduction of the premier league. just what has pools or us have gained from changes in the game that brought in crap like transfer windows, law interpretations and international windows. thats before you get down to VAR and the new problems that has created.

There seems to be a drive to make the simple game more and more complex. Suggestions for years were to scrap offside, how much simpler could it get?
There was a trial years ago to move free kicks forward by 10 yards if a player showed dissent, didn't last long but works fantastically in rugby? Would make life far easier for officials and be good image to show refs respect. Similarly crackdown on simulation and shirt pulling at set pieces lasted months but should have been continued.
Freekicks for every time the ball touches a players hand regardless of intent, unnatural positions, blah blah would again make the game simpler for everyone.
Scrap VAR and accept mistakes but regain the flow of games.

I’d like to replace throw ins with free kicks, just my opinion like….also like the idea of doing away with the offside rule…

Free kick instead of throw ins but yes, but doing away with offside rule would mean the striker on the goal line keeping the keeper company when the ball is at the other end. I’m

Good point Mr J about the offside so how’s about a line across the at the edge of the box and you’ve got the area of the boxes and the side bits where you can be off side instead of half the bleedin pitch.
These rules were made up by men with top hats, giant sideburns and beards in Victoria’s time after all.

No offsides would resurrect the lost art of goal line mooching. A specialist position that was to winning many a match between teams with jumpers for goalposts.

Just need to simplify the offside rule, as it was a few years ago-
Daylight beyond the last defender- then they can drop all the active/ inactive bollocks and players being offside because they've got a lob on!

Would also be refreshing if linesmen were forced to make decisions rather than not bother raising their flag until after the ref has given it. They're basically redundant- particularly when they can't get throw ins and corners correct. Also the amount of foul throws not given is shocking.

Plus the 25 yards they blatantly steal which officials just ignore?

Football managed for over 100 years without this Var shit and 10 minutes for the last minute and a shitload of subs.
The good old days.

Scotland had a goal ruled out by VAR last night initially for a foul but the screen said offside, must have been millimetres as the free kick was more or less on the byline.

Some of the offside calls now with VAR are outrageous when you see them, a leg stuck out by a few inches which can have no effect whatsoever on play is penalised…it’s a tool for nit pickers that tries to justify it existence to the point of stupidity.

The linos keeping their flags down when there's blatant offsides is a ridiculous rule too, it'll eventually lead to a serious injury when the game should obviously have been stopped.
Bet most of the people changing these rules have never played at a decent level, also wouldn't it be a good idea to involve official fans groups to be represented in consultation before rule changes, the fans have a better idea if what would improve the game as a spectacle.
Personally I'd use VAR to root out cheating players as a priority and start giving them cards and bans, it would soon stop all this ridiculous play acting that we see at every level nowadays.

Football was thriving before VAR. There was nothing to fix but as we are now seeing, there was plenty to ruin. Before VAR with referee decisions you won some you lost some. It seems with VAR its just the same. Nothing has been gained, but as we've seen, plenty has been lost.

Those in charge are going for nit picking perfection but bringing frustration to the game and its supporters.
I liked the cut and thrust of the game when it flowed and OK sure it was swings and roundabouts but that was accepted as just part of the game.

Possibly the worst of it is that overall the big clubs are still in the main getting the decisions going their way.
Used to be refs influenced by apparent biase towards the big clubs, now it seems it's refs and VAR biased.

its not just VAR but the attitudes of fans who have changed over the recent years. we have had this with pools recently even in a win. if the opponents dare to score even a consolation goal this goal is studied and forensically discussed of how it happened and who was to blame. when we score its all about the scorer or the ones who set the goal up. possibly without a single error somewhere on the pitch there would be even less goals scored. the old saying of a person who has done nothing is the one who never makes a mistake. anyone who wants total perfection need to find something without human participation.

a way to stop that is to extend the penalty area line across the pitch to the touchline and you can only be offside with the present law if you are in the defending teams area. could be tried in the southern or northern leagues for a season to see the outcome. a big white line would be a great help for linesmen as the faded lines of multy sports grounds are.

So right Mr A…we are all flawed.
If football was played to perfection, every match would be 0-0….everyone cancels everyone out…result football dies.
It’s this meticulous drive for perfection that stifles matches.

[quote="PTID"]The linos keeping their flags down when there's blatant offsides is a ridiculous rule too, it'll eventually lead to a serious injury when the game should obviously have been stopped.

please do not knock the lino for this or there lack of activity in flagging for fouls. they are only following orders from either the fa or the match referee in their actions. its actually a harder job than to referee with two masters on the day and not just one with two benches getting in your ear for anything and everything if you have the bad luck to be on the bench side of the pitch. used to make stuff up myself to avoid this at every opportunity.

Didn’t they experiment that you couldn’t be offside from a free kick a few years ago ?

No different in international football, in the Scotland v Spain game last night the ref gave nothing to Scotland, the Spanish keeper wiped Roberson out and he gave the free kick to Spain.
The VAR decision for McTomney goal was initially disallowed for a foul on the keeper then changed to offside. The free kick was nearly on the byline so the Scottish player must have been offside by millimetres.

Linos not flagging for offside is a consequence of rule changes, wasn't meaning to have a dig at Lino's.
But, while I'm on the subject why do so many of them appear to be so inept in not seeing blatant fouls, foul throws, allowing throw ins from 20 yards upfield from where the ball goes out of play, goalkeepers holding onto the ball for 30 seconds, etc? They're supposed to be ref assistants nowadays, but seem to do nothing but throws and offsides, is that their choice or instruction from refs / fa?

The Scotland Varshite decision last night has made the whole thing a laughing stock.

The keeper made no attempt to get to the ball.

instructions from both and pre season meetings to iron stuff out for the future to all sing from the same hymnsheet. agree though it does look to fans as a bit of a rule pick and mix going on.

Initially a foul on the keeper on the screen then offside,

Well Jamie, They would say that.
The Keeper needs take up Softball.
Any self respecting keeper would have moved the Scots lad away.
As for offside, The ball travels away from the goal (slightly) before swerving back in.

But no matter who says what the football authorities will NEVER admit they are wrong.