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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:49 pm 
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The more I think about it the more annoying it is from a few people

Hastie - Undisciplined Idiot but thats not new information
Umerah--You are twice as big as him and a more senior player--tell him you are taking it
Ferguson--You are the captain and leader on the pitch --step in if needed and sort it out!

Reflects badly on whole team organization--Askey better read the riot act on that and nip it in the bud!


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 Post subject: Re: Penalty Incident
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:58 pm 
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Looked like Umerah was happy to give him the responsibility, was a good penalty and a better save.


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ZNB12 wrote:
Looked like Umerah was happy to give him the responsibility, was a good penalty and a better save.

Man misses penalty, it’s not unusual.

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loyal_fan wrote:
The more I think about it the more annoying it is from a few people

Hastie - Undisciplined Idiot but thats not new information
Umerah--You are twice as big as him and a more senior player--tell him you are taking it
Ferguson--You are the captain and leader on the pitch --step in if needed and sort it out!

Reflects badly on whole team organization--Askey better read the riot act on that and nip it in the bud!



Why do you hate Hastie so much?
When he came on with a total of 18 minutes left, we were 3-0 down. He then scored a good goal and won us a penalty (which I agree he should not have taken and should get a bollocking for) but luckily we did score from the rebound.

I am sure that he will come good for us in this league. last season for whatever reason fitness, confidence, homesickness etc; he struggled with the English game, if it is confidence then the last thing he needs is people such as yourself constantly writing ridiculous messages about sending him back to Scotland or calling him an idiot.
If the penalty had gone in I am sure that you would be writing about how much he has improved and how Askey has changed him as a player.


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 Post subject: Re: Penalty Incident
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:40 pm 
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Umerah was pissed

We surely have a designated penalty taker it’s not park football for fucks sake


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Mulvaney wrote:
loyal_fan wrote:
The more I think about it the more annoying it is from a few people

Hastie - Undisciplined Idiot but thats not new information
Umerah--You are twice as big as him and a more senior player--tell him you are taking it
Ferguson--You are the captain and leader on the pitch --step in if needed and sort it out!

Reflects badly on whole team organization--Askey better read the riot act on that and nip it in the bud!



Why do you hate Hastie so much?
When he came on with a total of 18 minutes left, we were 3-0 down. He then scored a good goal and won us a penalty (which I agree he should not have taken and should get a bollocking for) but luckily we did score from the rebound.

I am sure that he will come good for us in this league. last season for whatever reason fitness, confidence, homesickness etc; he struggled with the English game, if it is confidence then the last thing he needs is people such as yourself constantly writing ridiculous messages about sending him back to Scotland or calling him an idiot.
If the penalty had gone in I am sure that you would be writing about how much he has improved and how Askey has changed him as a player.


I don’t hate him but I think he is a waste of a (large) wage and was an abysmal singing doing fuck all for decent money all last season

If he comes good then great, but he needs to grow up , and demanding HE takes the pen because he was fouled was the behaivor of a child and he shouldn’t have been indulged

Agree he took his goal well


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 Post subject: Re: Penalty Incident
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Scores first competitive goal after a season at Pools, has rush of blood to the head, steps out of line. And no doubt feels an idiot for missing and mightily relieved Josh scores. Really, it's not worth a fan inquest.


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It was a good save one handed save by Walker.


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It’s not him I mainly blame it’s the slack attitude that everyone let him do it.
As I say they supposed to be focused on promotion/putting things right etc…

It’s all so amateurish


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loyal_fan wrote:
It’s not him I mainly blame it’s the slack attitude that everyone let him do it.
As I say they supposed to be focused on promotion/putting things right etc…

It’s all so amateurish

If he scored would you still be miffed…?

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Yes, but he didn’t it’s almost as though he’s not as good at pens as the bloke pre agreed to take them


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Yes, but he didn’t it’s almost as though he’s not as good at pens as the bloke pre agreed to take them

Somehow I doubt it, I don’t see it like that….if there’s a pre-arranged pecking order he wouldn’t have taken it, maybe his goal made him a bit over confident and fancied his chances, but if he broke the rules doubtless Askey will kick his arse.

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Umerah was pissed off and refused to acknowledge Hastie after he put in the rebound


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How do you know he was pissed off…?

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ZNB12 wrote:
It was a good save one handed save by Walker.

therefore it was a penalty saved and not missed. bloody hate that term missed penalty unless the kick is blazed wide or over the goal. it gives no credit to keepers at all.


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Will Hastie be the find of the season.Lets hope so.

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Wouldn't let me up load the video. So had to screen shot it, as best as I could :laugh:


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Think Hastie will have been told in no uncertain terms.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
Think Hastie will have been told in no uncertain terms.


If you listern to JA he just says jake had a goal and probably wanted to take the penalty but he seemed totally unbothered that he did take it or miss it.


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wonder if he was as laid back about it in the dressing room if josh had not scored from it and we scored a goal in the few minutes left. possibly that was the least important issue he had to address as well.


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Also, it's Hastie who is brought down in the box for the penalty. He wouldn't be the first to think that gives him some entitlement to take the penalty.

Saw that from the 90 seconds or so of highlights on TNT. Really hard to tell whether Barnet's second goal is over the line or not.

As for the other 11 games - there were a couple of really rank refereeing decisions and a lot of headed goals. Pools aren't the only side with defensive frailties in that area, but we will end up conceding a lot of goals from crosses and dead ball situations if we don't get our act together.


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Christ on a bike, a penalty was saved, it happens. Move on, because if a manager’s going to slag a player off when his penalty is saved you’re going to end up getting players reluctant to take them.
This whole ‘incident’ is just pathetic.

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Snowy wrote:
Christ on a bike, a penalty was saved, it happens. Move on, because if a manager’s going to slag a player off when his penalty is saved you’re going to end up getting players reluctant to take them.
This whole ‘incident’ is just pathetic.

exactly. if it had been the other way round and hastie had scored the rebound very little would have been said. its mainly because its hastie being involved.


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accrington fan wrote:
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Christ on a bike, a penalty was saved, it happens. Move on, because if a manager’s going to slag a player off when his penalty is saved you’re going to end up getting players reluctant to take them.
This whole ‘incident’ is just pathetic.

exactly. if it had been the other way round and hastie had scored the rebound very little would have been said. its mainly because its hastie being involved.



Well said Mr Accy & Snowy.
I just wish certain people would give the lad a break and get of his back.


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Snowy wrote:
Christ on a bike, a penalty was saved, it happens. Move on, .


Thanks for the exhortation ( :wink: ) but the point I was making was Hastie scored one and made one. Hope he can keep it going, either as an impact sub or a starter.


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Hastie did make an impact when he came on as Sub. He took his goal well and struck the penalty well.
Based purely on his performance on Saturday I am wondering if the penny has dropped and maybe he could be an asset at this level.
On the fact that he took the penalty, it really has to be established whether there is a designated penalty taker at Pools. If there is I would expect A) the captain to intervene and B) the manager to assess the situation in the dressing room after the match and decide what action, if any, should be taken.
I am struggling to identify any leaders on the pitch and the manager seems blase about the incident. Maybe JA is signalling that it is a matter for the dressing room and I would agree with that.
I do think though, that any instructions that are blatantly overturned by one individual ( like I said earlier, given that penalty taking instructions are in place) then not only have those instructions been blatantly overturned but the manager's authority has been questioned.
As we were sitting near the goal I have to say that Umerah didn't look amused and, Our lass actually said. Josh is not a happy boy. Those around us agreed with that. Whether Josh was angry that is up to him to say but it certainly looked that way.
On the other contentious issue regarding the contribution of Chris Wreh. I am at a loss as to what his role was on Saturday or what position he was supposed to be playing in. He contributed absolutely nothing to the game and I think a 4 rating was overly generous.
If he was impressive off the ball, he certainly wasn't impressive on it.
Having said all that It was the first real game that team have played together in and I assume we will only get better as we settle down. There is no doubt we have to get better and I expect that we will.

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Flying Hogans wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Christ on a bike, a penalty was saved, it happens. Move on, .


Thanks for the exhortation ( :wink: ) but the point I was making was Hastie scored one and made one. Hope he can keep it going, either as an impact sub or a starter.

I wasn’t ‘Christ on a biking ‘ you Mr F just expressing my irritation at the whining over this breach of etiquette in the penalty area.
Some people start off disliking a player and can’t change their limited mindset. :roll:

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not a fan of hastie by a long way but would be delighted if the lad came good just like crawford, grey and dolan who i,m not keen on. surely its for the good of the club we should be thinking about and not our own opinions amd hopes of them being right.


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I am struggling to identify any leaders on the pitch


You do wonder. David Ferguson has 'nice lad' written all over his face. It's hard to imagine him giving anyone a bollocking!

On the face of it, Matty Dolan is more obvious captain material. There was a video on Twitter in pre-season where he was in the back line and barking out instructions to the younger defenders with him that gave the impression he was being lined up for the role. But he's not a guaranteed pick for the starting 11, either in defence or midfield, and Fergy is.


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Flying Hogans wrote:
Also, it's Hastie who is brought down in the box for the penalty. He wouldn't be the first to think that gives him some entitlement to take the penalty.

Saw that from the 90 seconds or so of highlights on TNT. Really hard to tell whether Barnet's second goal is over the line or not.

As for the other 11 games - there were a couple of really rank refereeing decisions and a lot of headed goals. Pools aren't the only side with defensive frailties in that area, but we will end up conceding a lot of goals from crosses and dead ball situations if we don't get our act together.


That’s the point, ‘whoever is fouled gets to take the pen’
Is the sort of shit we used to do at school, this is professional football for crying out loud
And as for the comment if umerah missed but hastie but rebound in no one would complain….correct as umerah is the designated penalty taker.

As I have said I don’t just blame hastie for this it shows a lack
Of leadership and professionalism throughout the team.


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If this lot had some credit in the bank people may be more sympathetic, but we were utter shite all last year, so little patience or indulgence for the fannying about


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Flying Hogans wrote:
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I am struggling to identify any leaders on the pitch


You do wonder. David Ferguson has 'nice lad' written all over his face. It's hard to imagine him giving anyone a bollocking!

On the face of it, Matty Dolan is more obvious captain material. There was a video on Twitter in pre-season where he was in the back line and barking out instructions to the younger defenders with him that gave the impression he was being lined up for the role. But he's not a guaranteed pick for the starting 11, either in defence or midfield, and Fergy is.


There should be a fist pumping contest, player who does the most dramatic one after fucking up takes the armband !


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loyal_fan wrote:
Flying Hogans wrote:
Also, it's Hastie who is brought down in the box for the penalty. He wouldn't be the first to think that gives him some entitlement to take the penalty.

Saw that from the 90 seconds or so of highlights on TNT. Really hard to tell whether Barnet's second goal is over the line or not.

As for the other 11 games - there were a couple of really rank refereeing decisions and a lot of headed goals. Pools aren't the only side with defensive frailties in that area, but we will end up conceding a lot of goals from crosses and dead ball situations if we don't get our act together.


That’s the point, ‘whoever is fouled gets to take the pen’
Is the sort of shit we used to do at school, this is professional football for crying out loud
And as for the comment if umerah missed but hastie but rebound in no one would complain….correct as umerah is the designated penalty taker.

As I have said I don’t just blame hastie for this it shows a lack
Of leadership and professionalism throughout the team.

It shows nothing of the sort, the team isn’t collapsing and falling under the strain of who took a penalty. Who cares…?

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That’s the point, ‘whoever is fouled gets to take the pen’
Is the sort of shit we used to do at school, this is professional football for crying out loud
And as for the comment if umerah missed but hastie but rebound in no one would complain….correct as umerah is the designated penalty taker.

no, but its the type of shit the fa might bring in one season in the future without any thought of the seriousness of any injury caused and the ability due to that of the player taking it. if not that teams have to show who the designating penalty taker is before the game on the team sheet with 2 back ups if the others are unavailable.


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Askey saying publicly no big deal but it won’t happen again.

Shouldn’t have happened at all and Suspect his message privately will have been a bit stronger


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If Askey says it’s no big deal, it’s no big deal,…so why make a big deal of it.
Move on.

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Should be a designated penalty taker which is down to the manager to instruct before the season starts.
The no big deal statement is a way of saying i fucked up but cant admit it on camera recording.

Off camera totally different ballgame which will now hopefully be resolved.
Find out next Penalty.
We move on to 3 pts Saturday.
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Should be a designated penalty taker which is down to the manager to instruct before the season starts.
The no big deal statement is a way of saying i fucked up but cant admit it on camera recording.

Off camera totally different ballgame which will now hopefully be resolved.
Find out next Penalty.
We move on to 3 pts Saturday.
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Exactly !


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loyal_fan wrote:
Askey saying publicly no big deal but it won’t happen again.

Shouldn’t have happened at all and Suspect his message privately will have been a bit stronger



You’re like a dog with a bone, why don’t you just let it go and move on to something more interesting?


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
The no big deal statement is a way of saying i fucked up but cant admit it on camera recording.
UTP.

Really, seriously? ……or more likely for a straight talking bloke like Askey he actually meant what he said, to put to bed the pedantic nit picking by some people…..but not you Kev.

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