The tree huggers are naive….no oil, then no plastic, in fact no lots of things.
I try to imagine what life would like in their world…..clothes made of vegetables, transport would be a GT donkey…oops no , that would be cruelty wouldn’t it.
Basically if you want to live like mediaeval serfs , get behind them.

I think any mainstream party would do it as its about fuel security.
We dont want to be held hostage by another country like Germany was by Russia.

All these green policies, charges, taxes are achieving absolutely f*ck all in the grand scheme of things apart from making us as a country and as individuals poorer.
Unless and until the big polluters start to take it seriously the insignificant UK is pissing against the wind.

One of the best things about this announcement is that it will seriouslypee off the Just Stop Oil plankers. Brightened my day.

If and when he gets into power he may change his mind as circumstances will have changed.
You can say what you like in opposition but then again the party in power is doing that.
These are only announcements or statements to win votes.
The lights cant go out.
Its all bollocks.

It's a global problem and it seems obvious that wealthy people need to be controlled more, by law probably - but this won't happen. The below is from BBC news item I bookmarked a few years back.

"The wealthiest tenth of people consume about 20 times more energy overall than the bottom ten, wherever they live.
The gulf is greatest in transport, where the top tenth gobble 187 times more fuel than the poorest tenth, the research says.
That’s because people on the lowest incomes can rarely afford to drive.
The researchers found that the richer people became, the more energy they typically use. And it was replicated across all countries.
And they warn that, unless there's a significant policy change, household energy consumption could double from 2011 levels by 2050. That's even if energy efficiency improves.
Transport gulf
The researchers combined European Union and World Bank data to calculate how different income groups spend their money. They say it’s the first study of its kind.
It found that in transport the richest tenth of consumers use more than half the energy. This reflects previous research showing that 15% of UK travellers take 70% of all flights.
The ultra-rich fly by far furthest, while 57% of the UK population does not fly abroad at all."

ps, I haven't flown since 1992

Flying is not natural.

[quote="Infidel"]It's a global problem and it seems obvious that wealthy people need to be controlled more, by law probably - but this won't happen. The below is from BBC news item I bookmarked a few years back.

"The wealthiest tenth of people consume about 20 times more energy overall than the bottom ten, wherever they live.
The gulf is greatest in transport, where the top tenth gobble 187 times more fuel than the poorest tenth, the research says.
That’s because people on the lowest incomes can rarely afford to drive.
The researchers found that the richer people became, the more energy they typically use. And it was replicated across all countries.
And they warn that, unless there's a significant policy change, household energy consumption could double from 2011 levels by 2050. That's even if energy efficiency improves.
Transport gulf
The researchers combined European Union and World Bank data to calculate how different income groups spend their money. They say it’s the first study of its kind.
It found that in transport the richest tenth of consumers use more than half the energy. This reflects previous research showing that 15% of UK travellers take 70% of all flights.
The ultra-rich fly by far furthest, while 57% of the UK population does not fly abroad at all."

therefore the vast majority of people are paying for the bulk of the problems created by the wealthy. its not them who think three times whether to drive the car, put the lights or heating on across the world. the gap between the lives of the haves and have nots is only growing to grow larger.

was that the last words said by glenn miller.

Our lass still thinks he’s only delayed

you really would think that the labour party is doing there best not to win the next election.

Scotland would collapse without the O&G game

we need to be drilling for more - the reserves are there. the last 15 years there has been countless exploration and geo missions to find successful fields - my pal works in that very field and said years ago the west of the shetland islands is sitting on O&G reserves bigger than anything we have previously tapped - its a mini oil boom waiting to happen again

That's because they know they are not good enough and the electorate will soon turn on them. They are not the cavalry some people think they are. All we will get is "we know what needs to be done but the mess we inherited prohibits us from doing it" That approach is being muted already. Tory MPs voice an opinion if they don't agree with something their party is doing or not doing, whereas the opposition MPs keep quiet waiting for that plum job they've been promised for their silence. Which do people prefer a party where members are prepared to question their leaders instead of the nodding and bobbing, or one where everyone toes the line.

Starmer is like the stern Headmaster of a Public School …..and expelled al the non conforming pupils as he believes obedient pupils are better for the image of St Starmer’s in the Wold, where appearances count.
The school motto is …. ‘An obedient pupil is an happy pupil’
Trouble is, the expelled pupils are congregating at the school gates waiting for things to go tits up….. possibly just after the election, when Dave Stalin will make a bid the top job.

The timeframe to start bringing new oil and gas with these licence is around 28 years

The time to start an on shore wind farms is between 4 and 8 years

If this is about being less reliant on energy imports, onshore wind farms bring that, in a shorter time period

Both will bring a flood of jobs too.

I can’t put a wind farm on my car, we need oil for a myriad of uses besides burning.
As for the wind turbines check out their life in the US, dumped in huge graveyards because the can’t be ….recycled.

whats the average life has a wind turbine got. something thats never mentioned in case we work it out the total cost o f electric from just this source. same with those panels on roofs. nothing lasts forever and will have to be renewed in the future. given all that it shows its not free or cheap as its made out to be. there is too much reliance on electric power and every other source of power should be used just to lower our bills. certain forms of power are more affective than others, so lets use them all for our benefit. bet the tree huggers would not freeze to death refusing to light their coal fires to keep them and their kids warm in winter.

Wind turbines are subsidised by US, through our green surcharge.
If they’re soooooo efficient why do they need a subsidy…?

I would imagine they need to be serviced on a regular basis with so many moving parts which means a sea going vessel has to be permanently berthed some where which won’t be cheap.

There’s a large yellow catamaran based in the docks that goes out every morning at 8 with the maintenance crew.

Wind turbines are made of steel and aluminium for the column and a composite material consisting of carbon fibre, glass fabric and liquid plastic for the blades.
The blades are not recyclable.
So this is green energy, that needs oil to produce the blades and coal for coke ovens at steel works to produce the steel…..don’t the just stop oil clowns wonder how they’re made, it ain’t lentils and avocado gently simmered.

you know quite well its re cycled fairy dust. it suits them as they live in a land of make believe that makes the old style make believe feel like a reality to them and needs changing.

The trouble with this country is in a state because we’ve been getting it wrong for years, get this comment from 1913…

The reason for the German superiority in materiel, was that in Germany, technology in metallurgy, engineering, shipbuilding and chemical industries was in a very advanced state.
This stemmed from the fact that the different educational backgrounds of the two countries had different focuses.
In England most higher education was devoted to training for the professions, law, politics, the Arts etc but in Germany it’s main emphasis was on training for trade purposes and an attention to detail which extended right through from top to bottom. This was a product of basic German mentality and planning.
The British mentality was not geared to a deep regard for perfection and their engineers attitude was more gentlemanly amateur than that of the dedicated technologist.
There was a profound complacency in Britain.

Some things never change eh?

I was in Germany the other week and was not all that impressed with some aspects of the rail system and encountered numerous problems to a point where a German bloke who was answering my question about why/what had gone wrong said to me "Welcome to Germany" with a smirk on his face.
Grand Central plus others that is owned by Arriva is owned by DB (Deutsche Bahn in 2010) and its performance leaves a lot to be desired.
Master race i think not and perhaps a degree in Sociology may help them understand peoples behaviour and needs.

How did you find it in general. I like the place.

I was mainly in the big cities which are becoming universal throughout the world but yes i liked the place, the people and the cleanliness.
I would have liked to spend a week or so in an ordinary town to get to know the "real"culture.
Nuremberg was something special and has been largely rebuilt.If you look at a building from the floor the first 2/3 foot is the original stone then above is the new stone.
I didnt mention my old man was an armourer in the RAF during WW2.

I noticed how buildings are restored in Europe and in a sensible time, the Cathedral at Ypres was totally flattened and restored in a ridiculously short time..everything takes forever over here.
My dad and grandad were in the Merchant Navy in WW2, my dad came out of his time in 1940 and went straight to sea….and liked it so much after the war he made a career of it. Odd thing is across that generation in all the families they all went to sea in the RN or MN.

you mean like the ones doing that here. they do the course, pass with flying colours without a single idea what makes the average man in the street tick. quite good at attempting to change peoples behaviour though, but it aint working with me.

Funny you say that Mr A…out for with friends and talking about starting work and the lad in the year below me told me going to college was a complete waste because while he had the theory in his head, he started learning when he went on the job and was confronted by the reality, he said ‘knowledge’ with out experience is like passing the theory test with flying colours and thinking you’re a top driver.
On reflection he was right.

really its not the kids going to college people should be knocking , its the system thought out by different governments over the last 25 years who have conned these young people into doing it mainly for the sake of governments and not the people themselves.

Mr Bigtoe i am not disputing your statement of 28 years to bring gas/oil on line but why is it so long. If this is the case why is this fact not out there in the press and is part of the debate as it fundamentally changes all the arguments. I am one who would like to move to renewables in a safe managed way but if this is the case it is a perfectly sensible decision by the government to have it as backstop insurance in case things do not go as planned on the renewables front. Oil and gas will always be needed even in small quantities and fuel security is essential.

After licence approval there's still loads of approvals still to be completed (drilling cannot start until they're all in place, then even if drilling finds oil it needs to be assessed to find out if it's commercially viable, then development plans and approvals are required, then building the infrastructure and installation in one of the harshest environments in the world, etc) so yes it all takes time, but on a fast track first oil can be achieved in less than 10 years.

A friend of mine did business studies at uni and as part of the course they had to do a Q&A survey on two businesses. She asked me and her brother as we have a business in totally different sectors.
The answers we both gave her were very similar and not the answers she had been taught to expect. We both said to her that its the difference between theory and reality.

I can appreciate the problems in the North Sea, but it’s been announced HS2 has been set back to 2032 at the earliest, why does it take forever with the only beneficiary being the legal system with the planning enquiries that drag out for years, get it streamlined it’s a railway for Gods sake…..mind you, all that money to get to Birmingham from London 30 minutes quicker….why not move the time table forward half an hour and save billions of £££££££££££££’s

Difference is the privately owned oil and gas companies need to get their facilities up and running to get a return on their massive investment.
HS2 is government funded, sounds a bit like bottomless pit and as and when it’s completed there are no returns to cover the cost.

and it will give 3 different choices of route between both cities when its completed. how many other cities have all these alternatives without changing trains somewhere en route. anyone living in lancashire know quite well they have to get to manchester before they go anywhere and in yorkshire its the nightmare words of change at leeds.

This whole highlighting the flights of the rich is pure fox bait,
Notice how across the MSM they are all stirring this up to wind people up about the greedy rich and the evil of flying planting the idea that flying is bad…so some dummy’s decide flying is bad for the rich and privileged…. We’ll wake up, because the first cuts will be to the flights you take on holiday..why fly to the States when you can spend a thrilling week in Morecambe…. It’s the future I’m afraid along with the time share in Filey.

I think the facts are correct, what you make of them is personal.

The wealthiest people pollute more, with their private jets and unlimited travel but you know, this could in theory be controlled if there was a political will. A lot of plane journeys are simply not necessary, look at some of the airplane usage in the Premier league just for one example, it’s ridiculous, stick them on a coach or train.

Then there’s all the unnecessary shipping of goods. We import Italian mineral water, but we export mineral water overseas, it’s the same stuff, it’s just moving products around for the sake of it.

I assume you are taking the P Snowy, considering our summer not many will be spending a week in Morecambe or buying a time share in Filey.
I flew back from Thailand on Wednesday/Thursday, both flights were full, not rich and famous people, some going to visit friends, some tourists, some for work I assume. So for some of the passengers it was a necessity, the fella I was sitting next was a manager in a Care Home in the U.K. where the majority of patients had dementia. He had been to the Philippines to visit his wife’s family, necessity I would say.
It would be interesting to know where the tree huggers go on holiday and what type of vehicle they drive.

thats something else i have banged on about for years. why import any single item that is found in this country or made in this country. i,m old enough to remember many fruits that were unavailable in parts of the year because they were out of season here. we lived fine and probebly more healthier than a lot who live on world produced food only.

Isn't it a bit strange that we're now in a climate emergency due to burning fossil fuels, yet it would be reasonable to expect that we burnt more around the times of the industrial revolution and the 2 world wars when everyone had coal fired, no emission control measures at all, dirtier less efficient engines for industry and vehicles, trains, ships, planes, etc.
And why are the world's superpowers the dirtiest polluters rather than the leaders in cleaning up? The end of the world (which is nigh according to the tree huggers) won't spare the US, China, India, Pakistan, or the Middle East will it?

remember the smogs in london during the early 50,s, the mill towns that dropped soot on peoples washing and at haverton hill seeing the chrome on your car a different colour after parking it for a day.

The statistics are sometimes moulded to suit the occasion and I suspect they ‘ve been based on passengers per flight rather than the performance of the aircraft, which in the wealthiest case will be fitted with the latest technology turbofans…I’m not condoning the use of private jets which I find ostentatious by the way.
The biggest offender will be commercial passenger traffic and air cargo which in a lot of cases is frivolous such as flying flowers in from Africa for major chains.
The protest industry have long held all aircraft in contempt except when they’re flying to their self serving environment conferences….not a problem then.
Even shipping which is the most economical form of moving freight is in their cross hairs… I suspect that all the tracks Beeching cut up, will have to be relaid in a few years time

You could drive past the acid plant at ICI in the 80’s near Haverton Hill and get a good lung full if the wind was in the right direction.
I was told in the early 70’s at college by one of the lecturers that the world had 10 years left…one of the lads asked why he was lecturing when he could be out enjoying himself if that was the case…he left the room.