Just signed Will Grigg.....lets hope he does as well as Mccormick did for Aldershot

Hard to see past the cheats for the title at the minute.

Paying big money for a lad thats averaged around 5 goals a season for the last 5 years even if its been at a good standard. Plenty of teams in the transfer market now, gateshead, altrincham, chesterfield and Oldham all making big moves to improve.

He is 32 in a fortnight, just been relegated and gone to chesterfield for an undisclosed fee, I can't find any mention of a signing on fee and no mention of his wages, so could you please inform us where you got the information that enabled you to to say that chesterfield are paying big money???
Can you point me in the direction of a reliable source as I can't find anything that indicates big money.
Not suggesting your source is wrong but would like to see it for myself. Ta.
He went to Sunderland for £3million in 2019, which I consider to be big money, from Pools perspective anyway, but didn't pull any trees up.
He is under 6 ft and will come up against typical national league defenders which poses the questions. will he handle that and has he still got the will ( no pun intended) or the hunger to produce the goods. Or is it another last pay day like so many before him.
I think it is a bit of a gamble to be honest, especially if you are right and he is costing big money. Of course, as usual, time will tell.
What big moves are Gateshead making??

Go to thier site and browse through the signings, They don,t come cheap.

Your not just going to get a lad thats played regularly in the championship for peanuts, think its just a bit of common sense, the average wage of a championship player 2 years ago was 7k a week, I think its fair to say its gone up a fair bit since. I think that can be classed as spending big. Whether he is any good who knows but I'm sure it's a site better than Jack hastie. Gateshead already signed 5 players not messing about considering they ended the season as the form team.

Sorry Mr derwent I'm getting mixed up with the other lad they signed yday who played 36 times in the championship. But according to sources whether to be believed or not he was on 4400 a week at mk dons and there top earner is supposedly on 10 k a week.

the only problem in signing a player whose career is on the wain is that its fine if they come off but an expensive mistake if they do not. people like him are not coming cheap at this stage of the transfer season and if you are not a wrexham there is a limit on what you can spend.

Can’t find Gateshead signed 5 players but do know they lost two of best players to Doncaster and Oldham.

Fine Mr B, we all have moments.
There is always speculation on players wages. Personally I disregard such chatter, as you know, simply because there is hardly ever any concrete evidence.
If MK Dons are prepared to pay that sort of money then they need to concentrate on getting value for it, because it didn't do them any good last season.

They signed regan booty, callum whelan, Ed Francis, Jordan hunter and aiden routledge think 2 of them they got on loan last season then made them permanent, but looking at their results the last 3 months of the season, they could do really well.

Now call me a cynic, but if Pools announced we’d signed this player he’d be dismissed out of hand as too old, not enough goals scored etc, etc, etc and even if we paid the same money Chesterfield paid we’d be told it was on the cheap.
Even though nobody really knows.
Like I said, call me a cynic.

I don't think anyone would say if we got kemp tommorow we would of got him on the cheap, the facts are we just can't afford him and the same goes for grigg. You just got to look were we shopped the last two years.

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Milton Keynes Dons 2023 - Player Wages
Milton Keynes Dons have a total of 43 players in their home squad. Milton Keynes Dons play in the Sky Bet League One, the third division of mens professional football in England.
Milton Keynes Dons total wage bill for 2023 is:
£4,549,480 per year
£87,490 per week
The highest earning player in the squad is Jamie Cumming earning £10,000 per week.
Active Squad:
Player Name Weekly Wage Yearly Salary Age Position Nationality
Jamie Cumming £10,000 £520,000 22 GK England
Bradley Johnson £5,500 £286,000 35 DM England
Henry Lawrence £5,200 £270,400 20 D/WB RL, DM England
Will Grigg £4,400 £228,800 31 ST N.Ireland
Jack Tucker £4,100 £213,200 22 D C, DM England
Mohamed Eisa £3,900 £202,800 28 ST Sudan
Nathan Holland £3,900 £202,800 24 AM RLC England
Dean Lewington £3,400 £176,800 38 D LC England
David Martin £3,400 £176,800 36 GK England
Daniel Harvie £3,400 £176,800 23 D/WB/M L Scotland
Dawson Devoy £3,400 £176,800 22 AM C Ireland
Dan Kemp £3,400 £176,800 23 AM RLC England
Daniel Oyegoke £3,400 £176,800 19 D RC England
Ethan Robson £3,300 £171,600 25 DM England
Josh McEachran £3,100 £161,200 29 DM England
Louie Barry £3,000 £156,000 19 AM RL, ST England
Matt Smith £2,900 £150,800 22 DM, AM C Wales
Darragh Burns £2,400 £124,800 19 AM RLC N.Ireland
Conor Grant £2,400 £124,800 20 AM LC Ireland
Joshua Kayode £2,100 £109,200 22 AM RL, ST Ireland
Zak Jules £2,000 £104,000 25 D C Scotland
Matthew Dennis £1,900 £98,800 20 AM R, ST England
Tennai Watson £1,600 £83,200 25 D/WB R England
Warren O'Hora £1,400 £72,800 23 D C Ireland
Francisco Ravizzoli £750 £39,000 25 GK Argentina
Callum Tripp £180 £9,360 16 DM England
Charlie Smith £180 £9,360 17 D C England
Charlie Waller £180 £9,360 17 D L England
Jacob Anderson £180 £9,360 17 D C England
Joel Anker £180 £9,360 17 M RC England

I’d take the advice of Wilkins Micawber when it comes to football club finances, sound if you stick to it.

Do you actually know what our finances are, because just thinking some catastrophe of a player is cheap does not mean they’re cheap. It means we wear ripped off.

Like I've said Snowy if your signing players from Wealdstone, Aldershot, boro under 18s blackpools reserve who has been loaned out to who was it some conference north team, Scottish 1st division players who even clubs in that league can't match English prices, the likelihood is they are way cheaper than signing first teamers from Wigan, mk dons etc. I'm not sure you need to know the finances to make that educated guess. If we had the chance to sign kevin de bruyne or big Jim from the bull and dog Sunday league team, i think an educated guess will tell us kevin de bruyne would cost a few more pennies.

there is nothing wrong with signing a player from any club no matter the price if they prove to be good enough. for me its not our budget thats been the problem but bloody awful recruitment. askey and other managers before him cannot do it all and getting back to basics on this front would not go amiss. do they use ex players recommendations or follow up sensible suggestions from fans. do not know if they do the latter as i must have wrote to pools on about half a dozen occasions back in the 80,s about players who eventually made decent careers somewhere else but never signed for pools. got pissed off in the end as i never once got a single reply.

Can't knock Gateshead for getting their transfer business done early, but when all's said and done they've signed 3 lads from other NL sides, a full back from South Shields and a lad who has been banging in the goals - for Birtley, who played their football last season in the Northern League Division 2. That's 4 levels below the NLN, where Pools signed Marcus Carver from! The Heed are pretty good at talent spotting so you never know... but Pools would be crucified by their fans for going that deep into the bargain basement.

Gateshead are about 10 times smaller than Pools though and they have a serious habit of spotting talent. Just look at the two lads they sold to notts county.

They certainly have a habit of punching above their weight but on what planet are they '10 times smaller than Pools'? Their average gate last season was a bit more than a quarter of our average.

Pools are only a big club in the imaginations of some of their own fans. We'll be one of the biggest in the NL next season but still behind Chesterfield, Oldham and Southend on attendances.

no signing is a guarantee but its pretty clear from the profile of player Cheaterfield are signing they are making a big effort this year....doesnt mean they will win the league but cant look past them as favorites

Maybe not 10 times but come on 5 or 6 times last season they had crowds of 700 800. When they played in conference north they had around 300 to 400.

Careful what you wish for…31 year ‘olds’ on 3 year contracts

Two good signings to Notts but my research shows they got only £50K for Langstaff and Scott for free (out of contract). You insinuate we don’t spot talent but like most lower league teams we come up with the odd one or two every now and again I could go back years with McGovern,Poskett, Houchen, Linighans etc, etc, we even got money for Luke James. I’m sure you will name Gateshead successes.

Well the fella from Scarborough is on a three year contract.

If he’s any good, and reports say he is, giving him a one year contract could blow up in our face….a the ‘Chorus of Doom’ will chunter he should have ben given longer contract.

size does not really matter. for some reason there are a number of lower division clubs in the league and non league who for some reason change their sides year after year and are still competative. others like pools only have to lose a few players and they struggle. its all down again to recruitment. higher gates only help as it should give you only an edge on the others and not the only factor to success.

Kieran Burton is 19yrs old. Tom Naylor and Will Grigg will be 32 yrs old when the season kicks off. Both brought in to get the job done this season, as time is barely on their side. A lot more experienced however potential to learn and improve has to be with the younger person over the length of their respective contracts?

Any club that can sit in the relegation zone all season, get relegated and hardly win a game all season and pull in nearly 4600 plus every game is quite a big club. The problem at pools is we have never ever been given the opportunity to even reach our potential.

Don't forget that quite a few sides brought a decent following to the Vic last season. We'll need a winning team to sustain 4,500 plus next season as only Chesterfield, Oldham, York and Gateshead will bring more than a couple of hundred - if they're having good seasons themselves.

If Chesterfield's expensive side fails, then they'll be in financial trouble, but I don't see why this makes them cheats. No rules have been broken after all.

Chesterfield's dodgy owner in the 2000/1 season certainly cheated, and went to prison as a consequence, but if we are going to go back in history maybe we should mention Mansfield's players bribing the Hartlepools team to lose a match in 1963.

Yeah but you could also say if we had a big away end teams like bradford carlisle would of boosted our crowds even more, I've no doubt we will struggle for good crowds this season, the fan base is not going to put up with what they have in the conference. Done well to sell 1200 season tickets or whatever they have sold so far. Think chesterfield and York will bring a fair few.

Gateshead are very good at finding players released by Newcastle or Sunderland and recruiting from lower teams than their level. They either have an excellent recruitment team, which they obviously do, but perhaps also a great coaching staff.

Langstaff had been round a few clubs but it was only the latter part of his final season when he took off, played more attacking than previously. The Northern League lad is just a young lad with plenty of goals last season. Hunter always impressed me when I have seen him for Shields, released by Sunderland but always looked better than the Northern Premier, surprised no one else looked at him really.

All said though it would be an excellent performance for the Heed to make the play offs, they usually sell the odd player on to League teams to balance thier books. Very well run club though and I am sure we could learn a lot from them.

Chesterfield are hard to see beyond for the title though, Grigg and Danny Rowe a decent front line, they were unlucky 2 seasons ago when Tshimanga was seriously injured, see he has gone to Peterborough now though.

didn,t they do something dodgy in the covid period also where furlough s were concerned that other clubs did not do. plus they have a manager who has the nickname of The Snake.

Tsimanga has hardly kicked a ball since moving to peterborough and is one i can see being loaned out to a nat.league or div.2 club next season. as for grigg and rowe i,d have to be persuaded that they were good signings if we had got them. grigg seems another jennings who has lost his goalscoring touch and rowe looked past it playing for a side even we did the double on. its hard to see older players suddenly blooming in a league with similar clubs we played last season. even wrexham ans stockport did not sign players who were struggling with league clubs but at the top of their game.

Snowy, it’s like pre-season brings out the absolute worst in you. Surely last season you learnt your lesson!

If Pools signed Will Grigg, we’d be chuffing our pants. The money is being put where the mouth is and he’s a player who could well score them an absolute hatful at this level.

The hard facts are there’s very little movement at the club, from player signings to new kits etc. am i shocked? No. This is Pools. However the key difference to last year is we have a good manager in place and as of now, of the two signings we’ve made, when scrutinised, they look fine. As good as fine really. Nothing ground breaking.

I saw a post the other day comparing our player continuity to City selling Gundogan. Give me strength. Good teams retain and rebuild, whilst selling their prized assets for good money and replacing accordingly. We haven’t done that in the last 7/8 seasons and lo and behold, look where we are. And we’ve had good players we could well have sold for good money too btw.

Oldham and chesterfield are doing very good business, ones to watch for me. The fury on Pools’ Twitter is premature though. I’d expect us to click into gear in the first couple weeks of July.

anyone else think that june is dragging even more than usual. at least july will see a few pre season games with surely a few comings and goings to get out teeth into. i have always hated june as it was the exam month at school, height of the hayfeaver season and no proper football ever to watch. somehow this year june is outdoing itself in every way. they call it flaming june, for me its flaming awful.

agree on your last point but not on grigg at this moment of time. think persuading josh umerah to stay would be a bigger coup for the club than signing a player whose career is on the wain. we,ll have to wait till next april to see if grigg has been a good signing or not for them. hope fans have not got short memories and remember how competitive our new league was last time around. not a glorified part time football league but one with very few clubs that are poor with some playing at their highest level whose players cannot wait to get involved with teams and players who have had a better history.

We will have to click into gear first few weeks of July or we will be meeting our old pals down the a66 if we're not ready again.

I remember a poster on the Bunker’s predecessor who whined in IOR’s early years about only making the play-offs and if they spent more money on better signings than for instance the new lad Porter we’d get somewhere…..when Porter proved his ability, he still whinged about him…..
It’s all relative.

its a case of football always bringing the worst out of people when they are sensible in thoughts and actions away from it. can never see why this happens. i,m just a quick tempered old git that moans about everything.

Danny Rowe has a year left on his contract, but it's unlikely he'll ever play again. Chesterfield will be relying up front on Grigg, the willing but hardly prolific Joe Quigley and the apparently knackered Akwasi Asante, unless they splash yet more cash to try and get Andrew Dallas back from Solihull. Last season's most reliable goalscorers, before Dallas arrived on loan, were the side's attacking midfield men.

Chesterfield currently have a bigger problem, mind. They've got no goalkeeper. The useless chuff that threw away the Play Off final has gone to Scunthorpe.

know an experianced one still in his 20,s with vast national league and EFL experiance who is available after release from a club relegated last season. would be the perfect fit.

Have you passed your info to Pools ?

Chesterfield have former Liverpool and Bournemouth Man Ibe on trial... very interesting and yet again signs they are taking their promotion push very seriously. Lads like this given another chance, and hopefully finding some form under good management are lethal at this level !

Gateshead have a knack of taking the released Toon fodder and making them into good NL players - no doubt they probs have first pickings of this years released graduates. We kind of did it with Sterry but it took South Shields in the first place to let him get in the spotlight a bit. Given we should act sooner and find more Sterrys when they are released from our big 3 footballing neighbours !

at 31 coming upto his 32nd year Will Grigg is not by any means finished. I think me and a couple of my Wearside playing friends played the best football of our lives between 31 and 35 ! the younger lads we still play with now coming upto 31 / 32 are reading the game the best they ever have. Given his ability he could be some signing for them aslong as hes not carrying a cheeky injury.

we still need that 30 / 31 year old with experience and ability in our side thats for sure - especially across the back line and in CM

So Matty Dolan