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 Post subject: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:59 pm 
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Apparently Councils can no longer charge for collecting bulky rubbish, so where is this extra income going to come from - rate payers who do not use this service?

This according to the bunch of tw*ts in the HoC will stop fly tipping! Yes my arse it will.

Anyone got any old sofas, beds, rubble, plasterboard etc - just ring up the Council and they will come straight round to collect it for nothing!

What World am I living in?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:37 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:04 pm 
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Bluestreak wrote:
Where did you hear this please?

Maybe from here
Warning DIY waste charges ban could push up council tax
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65977938


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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:45 am 
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Years ago a skip used to be placed round where my Mother in Law lived in Benmore Road area about once a month but when recycling started it stopped. I had some plasterboard to get rid off, the tip wouldn’t take it, seemingly if it goes to landfill it can react with what ever else is dumped there. I eventually found a company who recycled plasterboard and they supplied a skip, not cheap though.
It’s another case of the going green which is costing millions well billions, Starmer said he is going to invest billions in the green industry in Scotland to make up for the losses in the oil and gas industry as the Labour Party are not going to grant any new licences.
Could imagine what would happen in the States if they announced that ?


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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:17 am 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Years ago a skip used to be placed round where my Mother in Law lived in Benmore Road area about once a month but when recycling started it stopped. I had some plasterboard to get rid off, the tip wouldn’t take it, seemingly if it goes to landfill it can react with what ever else is dumped there. I eventually found a company who recycled plasterboard and they supplied a skip, not cheap though.
It’s another case of the going green which is costing millions well billions, Starmer said he is going to invest billions in the green industry in Scotland to make up for the losses in the oil and gas industry as the Labour Party are not going to grant any new licences.
Could imagine what would happen in the States if they announced that ?

going to the tip now is a complete minefield. just take 6 items and they all go indifferent places with possibly one you end up taking home. you need i.d. and proof of where you live on top of this. funny that back in the good old days where you just dumped things all together you never got the fly tipping.


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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:51 pm 
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Politicians have the notion that we all agree with this green panic and they're in for a nasty shock when they find out we don't. I don't mind taking part in sensible measures and I practice separation of the waste I generate as best I can.
I am getting the impression that Starmer is terrified that he might win.

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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:23 pm 
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derwent wrote:
Politicians have the notion that we all agree with this green panic and they're in for a nasty shock when they find out we don't. I don't mind taking part in sensible measures and I practice separation of the waste I generate as best I can.
I am getting the impression that Starmer is terrified that he might win.


For me Starmer is going to try and lose the election, he is terrified of the tree huggers, announced in Scotland the heart of the oil and gas industry that no more licences for exploration would granted. He did say a Labour government would spend billions on the green industry in Scotland to replace the oil and gas jobs in the oil and gas industry. What he didn’t say how these would be created and what would they be in ?


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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:13 pm 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Politicians have the notion that we all agree with this green panic and they're in for a nasty shock when they find out we don't. I don't mind taking part in sensible measures and I practice separation of the waste I generate as best I can.
I am getting the impression that Starmer is terrified that he might win.


For me Starmer is going to try and lose the election, he is terrified of the tree huggers, announced in Scotland the heart of the oil and gas industry that no more licences for exploration would granted. He did say a Labour government would spend billions on the green industry in Scotland to replace the oil and gas jobs in the oil and gas industry. What he didn’t say how these would be created and what would they be in ?


Quite usual for Labour plans to lack detail. They are very good at two things, Stirring the shit and spending other people's money.
In fairness to them the task in front of them is just too much to take on. There's too much scrutiny and they haven't got the diplomatic strength to handle it. Angela Rayner when cornered will snap, Momentum will split the party, Starmer will quit or be challenged, they'll elect a female as leader and the Establishment will rip them to pieces.
Not nice I admit but a political fact of life. Idealism is great until you try and make it work.
As for the rest of them. Lib Dems only token protest, SNP can't handle power or finance.
There is a strong possibility that a new party might emerge led by Johnson and Farage that will attract the right but will have to grab a fair chunk of the centre.
They say a week is a long time in politics. Fifteen months or so is even longer.

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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:29 pm 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Politicians have the notion that we all agree with this green panic and they're in for a nasty shock when they find out we don't. I don't mind taking part in sensible measures and I practice separation of the waste I generate as best I can.
I am getting the impression that Starmer is terrified that he might win.


For me Starmer is going to try and lose the election, he is terrified of the tree huggers, announced in Scotland the heart of the oil and gas industry that no more licences for exploration would granted. He did say a Labour government would spend billions on the green industry in Scotland to replace the oil and gas jobs in the oil and gas industry. What he didn’t say how these would be created and what would they be in ?

I believe one prominent prior to the last election, his name escapes me, said it would be easy to transfer weapon production to other products.
The words of someone with as much idea of engineering as the average penguin.
Imagine the reaction….’Ok lads, we’re turning the tanks on the line into all weather meals on wheels delivery units. Crack on lads and stop laughing”.

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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:13 am 
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Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Politicians have the notion that we all agree with this green panic and they're in for a nasty shock when they find out we don't. I don't mind taking part in sensible measures and I practice separation of the waste I generate as best I can.
I am getting the impression that Starmer is terrified that he might win.


For me Starmer is going to try and lose the election, he is terrified of the tree huggers, announced in Scotland the heart of the oil and gas industry that no more licences for exploration would granted. He did say a Labour government would spend billions on the green industry in Scotland to replace the oil and gas jobs in the oil and gas industry. What he didn’t say how these would be created and what would they be in ?

I believe one prominent prior to the last election, his name escapes me, said it would be easy to transfer weapon production to other products.
The words of someone with as much idea of engineering as the average penguin.
Imagine the reaction….’Ok lads, we’re turning the tanks on the line into all weather meals on wheels delivery units. Crack on lads and stop laughing”.


We did it in WW2,
During the Second World War the British motor industry underwent a major transformation. From manufacturing cars and commercial vehicles, factories switched to turning out military vehicles, tanks, aircraft engines, aircraft and a variety of other weapons for the Armed Forces.


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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:26 am 
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derwent wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Politicians have the notion that we all agree with this green panic and they're in for a nasty shock when they find out we don't. I don't mind taking part in sensible measures and I practice separation of the waste I generate as best I can.
I am getting the impression that Starmer is terrified that he might win.


For me Starmer is going to try and lose the election, he is terrified of the tree huggers, announced in Scotland the heart of the oil and gas industry that no more licences for exploration would granted. He did say a Labour government would spend billions on the green industry in Scotland to replace the oil and gas jobs in the oil and gas industry. What he didn’t say how these would be created and what would they be in ?


Quite usual for Labour plans to lack detail. They are very good at two things, Stirring the shit and spending other people's money.
In fairness to them the task in front of them is just too much to take on. There's too much scrutiny and they haven't got the diplomatic strength to handle it. Angela Rayner when cornered will snap, Momentum will split the party, Starmer will quit or be challenged, they'll elect a female as leader and the Establishment will rip them to pieces.
Not nice I admit but a political fact of life. Idealism is great until you try and make it work.
As for the rest of them. Lib Dems only token protest, SNP can't handle power or finance.
There is a strong possibility that a new party might emerge led by Johnson and Farage that will attract the right but will have to grab a fair chunk of the centre.
They say a week is a long time in politics. Fifteen months or so is even longer.



I don’t want Labour to win the next election, I would like the Tories to stay and sort their own mess out, trouble is do they have the people who can do it, nope.
Looking back and I am a Labour man their must a load of Tory politicians turning in their graves, we still have some true Tory politicians like Heseltine though.
The fella I always liked was Rory Stewart, travelled and worked globally, a bit of time in the forces, when he lost in the Tory leadership race or soon afterwards he resigned, he now has a podcast with Alistair Campbell, I don’t think he was in the loop of the Tory cronies.


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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:33 am 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
derwent wrote:
Politicians have the notion that we all agree with this green panic and they're in for a nasty shock when they find out we don't. I don't mind taking part in sensible measures and I practice separation of the waste I generate as best I can.
I am getting the impression that Starmer is terrified that he might win.


For me Starmer is going to try and lose the election, he is terrified of the tree huggers, announced in Scotland the heart of the oil and gas industry that no more licences for exploration would granted. He did say a Labour government would spend billions on the green industry in Scotland to replace the oil and gas jobs in the oil and gas industry. What he didn’t say how these would be created and what would they be in ?

I believe one prominent prior to the last election, his name escapes me, said it would be easy to transfer weapon production to other products.
The words of someone with as much idea of engineering as the average penguin.
Imagine the reaction….’Ok lads, we’re turning the tanks on the line into all weather meals on wheels delivery units. Crack on lads and stop laughing”.


We did it in WW2,
During the Second World War the British motor industry underwent a major transformation. From manufacturing cars and commercial vehicles, factories switched to turning out military vehicles, tanks, aircraft engines, aircraft and a variety of other weapons for the Armed Forces.

There was a life or death war on and there were dire economic consequences which took a long time to resolve postwar as most recognised means of production were discarded.
What happened then was not a viable economic way to run a country.

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 Post subject: Re: Rubbish collections by Councils
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:56 am 
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Jamie1952 wrote:
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I don’t want Labour to win the next election, I would like the Tories to stay and sort their own mess out, trouble is do they have the people who can do it, nope.
Looking back and I am a Labour man their must a load of Tory politicians turning in their graves, we still have some true Tory politicians like Heseltine though.
The fella I always liked was Rory Stewart, travelled and worked globally, a bit of time in the forces, when he lost in the Tory leadership race or soon afterwards he resigned, he now has a podcast with Alistair Campbell, I don’t think he was in the loop of the Tory cronies.

at least in tthe past you had an idea of the party you voted for. there was an actual choice unlike now. we have two centralist middle of the road party,s with not much difference apart from the talk between them. both have lost their way in attempting to catch the middle ground voter instead of being the party,s of our youth.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:42 am 
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Many years ago the Councils were made up of the local Baker, Butcher, Greengrocer etc etc. They gave their time (and any expenses) for free and both knew and worked hard for their local population. There were no "real" party politics then.

Today we have "career" politicians being paid a fair wedge and grabbing as much in the way of expenses as they can. They then have to tow the party line and we end up with mini parliaments across the regions.

Bring back the former and make this Country great again.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:51 am 
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We are governed by middle aged graduates who are naive about life in general… except for their ability to grasp power and then naivety is replaced by a dogmatic will to hold onto power despite their glaringly obvious lack of talent.
Local councils should be local.

We don’t want Chief Executives and senior officers living out of town, unaffected by their own policies, riding in and out again every day like colonial governors.

Councillors should live in the ward they represent.

They should provide a towns services and avoid spending money or promotion of those causes or trends that do not affect the people of the town.
No good trying to promote the town when they refuse to live amongst us.

All Councillor’s should be independent and national politics excluded as these Councillors serve a higher master in the shape of their Party and are thus not fully independent, because when it comes to the Cush they’ll obey the Party line every time and sod the locals.

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[quote="Critical Thinking"]Many years ago the Councils were made up of the local Baker, Butcher, Greengrocer etc etc. They gave their time (and any expenses) for free and both knew and worked hard for their local population. There were no "real" party politics then.

no, but there were plenty who got elected for what they could get out of it for themselves. only ever knew a couple who were councillors in two different towns back in those days. one did not seek re election as he could not stand or want to be involved in it again and the other lost interest after years of work in passenger transport in different jobs he was placed on the parks and gardens committee and not the transport one that he had expertese for. in his words, i do not know a rose from a tulip and care even less. just a nother form of government we could do without then and now but years ago it was cheaper.


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