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 Post subject: Tree Huggers.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:44 pm 
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Looks like they have got what they wanted by gluing themselves to the road, no more oil and gas licences for the North Sea, the U.K. is going green, wind farms, nuclear power stations etc.Labour forgets it takes years to design and build nuclear power stations and the wind doesn’t always blow. There will be a huge loss in jobs associated with the oil and gas industry. Starmer said they will be replaced by growth in the green industry, what planet does he live on, there is no way people north of the border will be voting labour.
We will be held to ransom with having to import oil and gas, we still need oil, more than just petrol comes from oil, how many other nations are going down this road, none ? Will they be stopping oil and gas exploration elsewhere in the globe more so in the States, not if the Republicans win the next election which is on the cards.
The U.K. is made of coal, we destroyed that industry, we are floating in oil so that’s now going as well.
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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Jamie, none of the leading Party’s have a clue what to do. They’re all paying homage to the woke agenda and have no grasp of life in the big world outside the Westminster twilight home for the terminally dysfunctional.
One time the Labour Party was home to people who’d worked in the real world, but now it’s Party activists straight from Uni straight into politics without the educational benefit of life as it’s lived outside the Magic Roundabout.
I will not be voting for any Party next year, just no point, whoever gets in will be more concerned with idiot pronouns than making the world go round.

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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Starmer is a populists wet dream, give it a couple of days and he'll quietly do a complete u turn anyway.
All this green stuff is just an excuse to tax us till the pips squeak, there's always been climate change it's called the weather. What brought about the end of the Ice Age, it sure wasn't cavemen riding around in Chelsea tractors.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:39 pm 
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Weve all known for years that oil & gas will be well depleated by the end of the century.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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One time the Labour Party was home to people who’d worked in the real world, but now it’s Party activists straight from Uni straight into politics without the educational benefit of life as it’s lived outside the Magic Roundabout.


Very true


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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At some point oil & gas will be regarded as history just like coal-mining,shipbuilding and steel works.

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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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The coal mining industry shut down far too early and we ended up reliant on imported coal to keep our power stations going, unsurprisingly the cheap coal supply stopped and the cost of coal to the UK went through the roof.
Shutting down Oil & Gas industries too early will be way more catastrophic to the UK. So much other than fuel is reliant on hydrocarbons that the general population don't acknowledge, from their hi Vis vests, to pharmaceuticals, we'd be in dire straits if the tap was turned off overnight.
By the way how do these lunatics get from protest site to protest site?


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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More importantly who funds these activists to go from one protest to the next?

As for Starmer he doesn't know SH*T from clay, another who really hasn't done a days work in his life.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Bluestreak wrote:
At some point oil & gas will be regarded as history just like coal-mining,shipbuilding and steel works.

They aren’t regarded as history by the rest of the world.
I believe the UK coal reserves now ‘resting’ but there is reserves running into several hundred years worth still there.

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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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The UK government and opposition seem intent on leading the country into absolute poverty for the masses.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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The UK government and opposition seem intent on leading the country into absolute poverty for the masses.

People in government live under the delusion that simply everybody can work from home because doesn’t everyone’s job involve sitting in front of a laptop screen. :roll:
The rabble who go out and actually proper work can run up a shutter in their world.

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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:24 pm 
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There aren't many climate deniers any more. But there are plenty of financial reality deniers. EVs cost a lot of money. More than they could possibly save you in fuel for many years. Heat pumps the same. People are broke. You cannot just stop oil.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Climate deniers…. :laugh: I was told by a lecturer at college in the mid 70’s the Earth had 10 years left to save itself….looks like it did.

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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Snowy wrote:
Bluestreak wrote:
At some point oil & gas will be regarded as history just like coal-mining,shipbuilding and steel works.

They aren’t regarded as history by the rest of the world.
I believe the UK coal reserves now ‘resting’ but there is reserves running into several hundred years worth still there.

if they only told us what their aims really are at the end of the day at least we would know what we should be fighting against. Whatever we do or do not do in such a small country like this will not change anything. countries will not change because we are changing. more like having a good laugh at our expense. for me whatever reserves we have should be all used up to the point of them being too expensive to do so. the green lefties bang on about what we are doing for the future benefits of our grandchildren. well i,ll tell em, bloody poverty back to victorian levels in the end if we are not careful. what we are seeing now is the tip of the melting iceberg and there is far worse to come. not from climate change but from western governments and the tree huggers who,ll suffer as well as the majority.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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if they only told us what their aims really are at the end of the day at least we would know what we should be fighting against. Whatever we do or do not do in such a small country like this will not change anything. countries will not change because we are changing..

I cringe when these middle class masochistic puritans say we should set an example for the world to follow.
Someone should inform them we aren’t the British Empire anymore, telling lesser nations they should follow our example or else, because we are so much clever than you lesser mortals overseas.

I do have a laugh when you see this ragged legion blocking roads and the complete irony of their use via phones, cameras and even their clothing being made of oil based plastics……I phone made of lentils anyone?

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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Snowy wrote:
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if they only told us what their aims really are at the end of the day at least we would know what we should be fighting against. Whatever we do or do not do in such a small country like this will not change anything. countries will not change because we are changing..

I cringe when these middle class masochistic puritans say we should set an example for the world to follow.
Someone should inform them we aren’t the British Empire anymore, telling lesser nations they should follow our example or else, because we are so much clever than you lesser mortals overseas.

I do have a laugh when you see this ragged legion blocking roads and the complete irony of their use via phones, cameras and even their clothing being made of oil based plastics……I phone made of lentils anyone?


Couldn’t have put it better Snowy, no gives a flying f*** what the U.K. says or does, our politicians are so disillusioned.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Many of these Stop Oil lot are hypocrites. I hardly have my heating on (can’t afford it) haven’t been on a plane since 1992 and generally live lean.

Some of this Stop Oil lot are wealthy middle class, flying off on expensive holidays etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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elwood wrote:
Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.

No problem, if the woke puritans get their way we’ll freeze to death anyway with the price for ‘green power’…. and their expensive heat pumps.
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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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elwood wrote:
Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.


Sterilisation?

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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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elwood wrote:
Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.


You might be surprised to know how much of the U.K. is inhabited, 2%.
Ordnance Survey data suggests that all the buildings in the UK - houses, shops, offices, factories, greenhouses - cover 1.4% of the total land surface. Looking at England alone, the figure still rises to only 2%.


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Bluestreak wrote:
elwood wrote:
Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.


Sterilisation?


It could be the answer. As birth rates drop in the more affluent regions of the world it seems that they are increasing in the poorer regions. This will only ever end in migration. I know that China came in for terrible stick for its "1 child" policy but at least they seemed to be trying to address the issue (if in a very hard-handed way).

Bring back genetically modified wheat for certain areas of the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Tree Huggers.
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elwood wrote:
Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.

eventually that will happen. like with species of animals that die out because there is no where for em to live and less and less food available for them. then there has not been a better reason to not have kids at all. not that the earth is dying but way our life is going now which is not going to get any better soon. its the last thing i,d want to do is bring a child into this woke world with government controls from the day you are born.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
if they only told us what their aims really are at the end of the day at least we would know what we should be fighting against. Whatever we do or do not do in such a small country like this will not change anything. countries will not change because we are changing..

I cringe when these middle class masochistic puritans say we should set an example for the world to follow.
Someone should inform them we aren’t the British Empire anymore, telling lesser nations they should follow our example or else, because we are so much clever than you lesser mortals overseas.



Couldn’t have put it better Snowy, no gives a flying f*** what the U.K. says or does, our politicians are so disillusioned.

one thing that the green lefties and the union flag wavers have in common is the importance this little island really is in the world. about time we follow other countries of a similar size on foreign affairs and other world topics. how many other countries with to be world reformers like us.


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accrington fan wrote:
Jamie1952 wrote:
Snowy wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
if they only told us what their aims really are at the end of the day at least we would know what we should be fighting against. Whatever we do or do not do in such a small country like this will not change anything. countries will not change because we are changing..

I cringe when these middle class masochistic puritans say we should set an example for the world to follow.
Someone should inform them we aren’t the British Empire anymore, telling lesser nations they should follow our example or else, because we are so much clever than you lesser mortals overseas.



Couldn’t have put it better Snowy, no gives a flying f*** what the U.K. says or does, our politicians are so disillusioned.

one thing that the green lefties and the union flag wavers have in common is the importance this little island really is in the world. about time we follow other countries of a similar size on foreign affairs and other world topics. how many other countries with to be world reformers like us.


Maybe the whole picture needs a new coat of looking at. We are a small nation by comparison but it seems to me that the other nations expect a bigger contribution, expecting us to punch above our weight. Is the contribution expected from us disproportionate to our size or is it fair? That is a question needing an honest answer.

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We are 6th which is Europa Cup standard.
GDP
1. United States of America – $23,3T
2. People’s Republic of China – $17,7T
3. Japan – $4,9T
4. Germany – $4,2T
5. India – $3,1T
6. United Kingdom – $3,1T
7. France – $2,9T
8. Italy – $2,1T
9. Canada – $1,9T
10. South Korea – $1,8T

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Jamie1952 wrote:
elwood wrote:
Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.


You might be surprised to know how much of the U.K. is inhabited, 2%.
Ordnance Survey data suggests that all the buildings in the UK - houses, shops, offices, factories, greenhouses - cover 1.4% of the total land surface. Looking at England alone, the figure still rises to only 2%.


20 years ago, it was stated the population of the world, if stood shoulder to shoulder, could fit on the Isle of Wight.

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Bluestreak wrote:
elwood wrote:
Let's just be honest. There are too many people on this planet and therefore the only solution to climate change is killing off a few billion people. Anything else is just picking around the edges.

Doctors pump people with pharmaceutical products to help them live longer but with no idea how we pay for the ever increasing number of people with dementia (my mum included) and an already strained NHS and non-existent Social Care system simply fails.

World population 1950 about 2.5 billion, now heading for 8 billion.


Sterilisation?

I’m sue the ghost of Hitler would be nodding his head in agreement, with Himmler’s ghost telling him he was right all along :roll:

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The carousel in" Logan's Run" might be a solution..they put people out to pasture when they reached a certain age.


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Sussex UK wrote:
The carousel in" Logan's Run" might be a solution..they put people out to pasture when they reached a certain age.

or do what they used to do and have more world wars and civil ones in south america.


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