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 Post subject: Bitter Singh ... let it go
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2023 9:51 am 
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Can understand Singh being bitter with Challinor but what he needs to remember is that most managers are only six games away from the sack. As such they would only be human in looking after their own interests. After all they still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. Challinor was sacked by Fylde after getting three promotions so was always going to looking out for himself after getting us promoted. The potential at Stockport was obvious and gave him the opportunity to sleep in his own bed at night after giving us two good years. Can understand Singh being upset at the lack of credit afforded to him for getting us up as he thinks he funded the promotion to the tune of £750k. He goes on to say he has spent £1.7k this season which has resulted in us going down. So it's the manager not just the money that gives a result. Singh should thank his lucky stars that he had Challinor here as subsequent choices haven't been any where near. We now need to move on and trust in Askey. Let it go Mr Singh.


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I get what you’re saying and think it’s time this was put to bed and we all move on. Askey has to be the future and key element of focus.

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NortonPoolie63 wrote:
So it's the manager not just the money that gives a result. Singh should thank his lucky stars that he had Challinor here as subsequent choices haven't been any where near. We now need to move on and trust in Askey. Let it go Mr Singh.


I've always thought a really good manager is worth 3 or 4 good players. Cloughie. Cyril Knowles. Neale Cooper. Challinor.

Whoever is chairman next season needs to back Askey and not worry even if we make a slow start adjusting to life back in the NL. Grimsby scraped into the last play-off place and won promotion back to the EFL at the first attempt with a squad that didn't cost a fortune. UTP.


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What i,ve seen of Askey so far is positive, Calls it as he sees it AND LETS THE FANS know,


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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Sadly the world is full of selfish and dishonest people.
Who will whenever it suits them, lie and lie and lie again to as many people as they have to.
And even do it signed in writing and on camera as necessary.
They don't give it a second thought or give a shit about the consequences for others.
As Askey has said recently he has "met the most selfish people he has ever met in football."
Going behind your back and being stabbed in the back is commonplace and to be expected in the game unfortunately.
I can understand Singh being bitter but its just a nasty business football.
"I trust no one, not even myself"-[joe stalin] :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpJs8-PcR4


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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managers move on nowadays either by going up for whatever reason or getting the sack. with a job its easy to get sacked in its obvious to move on to somewhere else. askey will do the same with pools and challinor wil at stockport if they succeed. if they do not they,ll be sacked.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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kingkenellis wrote:
Sadly the world is full of selfish and dishonest people.
Who will whenever it suits them, lie and lie and lie again to as many people as they have to.
And even do it signed in writing and on camera as necessary.
They don't give it a second thought or give a shit about the consequences for others.
As Askey has said recently he has "met the most selfish people he has ever met in football."
Going behind your back and being stabbed in the back is commonplace and to be expected in the game unfortunately.
I can understand Singh being bitter but its just a nasty business football.
"I trust no one, not even myself"-[joe stalin] :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpJs8-PcR4


Challinor looks like a laughing assassin in the video.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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NortonPoolie63 wrote:
Can understand Singh being bitter with Challinor but what he needs to remember is that most managers are only six games away from the sack. As such they would only be human in looking after their own interests. After all they still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. Challinor was sacked by Fylde after getting three promotions so was always going to looking out for himself after getting us promoted. The potential at Stockport was obvious and gave him the opportunity to sleep in his own bed at night after giving us two good years. Can understand Singh being upset at the lack of credit afforded to him for getting us up as he thinks he funded the promotion to the tune of £750k. He goes on to say he has spent £1.7k this season which has resulted in us going down. So it's the manager not just the money that gives a result. Singh should thank his lucky stars that he had Challinor here as subsequent choices haven't been any where near. We now need to move on and trust in Askey. Let it go Mr Singh.


If he spent 1.7 million on that team he must of got 3 million back from the players he let go.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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To be fair it's the managers who've wasted the money, £1.7m is a competitive budget for div 2 I would have thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
NortonPoolie63 wrote:
Can understand Singh being bitter with Challinor but what he needs to remember is that most managers are only six games away from the sack. As such they would only be human in looking after their own interests. After all they still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. Challinor was sacked by Fylde after getting three promotions so was always going to looking out for himself after getting us promoted. The potential at Stockport was obvious and gave him the opportunity to sleep in his own bed at night after giving us two good years. Can understand Singh being upset at the lack of credit afforded to him for getting us up as he thinks he funded the promotion to the tune of £750k. He goes on to say he has spent £1.7k this season which has resulted in us going down. So it's the manager not just the money that gives a result. Singh should thank his lucky stars that he had Challinor here as subsequent choices haven't been any where near. We now need to move on and trust in Askey. Let it go Mr Singh.


If he spent 1.7 million on that team he must of got 3 million back from the players he let go.


sctatchinghead I'd be genuinely interested to know how you work that out.

Fee for Bogle, yes. Some compo for Molyneux for playing a part in his development. Ditto Brad Young. After that I'm struggling.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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Players he "let go" ??
Say we use a very wide definition of "let go" players to include players who didn't want to stay at the club, and wanted out, such as Bogle, Molyneux, Odusina and Byrne.
As contracted players only Bogle and Byrne commanded an undisclosed fee according to press reports, and I would be surprised if the fee amounted to six figures for either player but who knows.
Molyneux and Odusina were out of contact so no fee, although we might have got a small amount of development compo for Molyneux given his age
Others who asked to leave and had their contracts cancelled by mutual consent and were "let go" in recent times were Cullen, Holohan and Hendrie, for which no money was involved.
Shelton was "let go" to oldham earlier this year but no mention of any fee in the press and i doubt there was one.
Opening the definition even wider of "let go" players a while back to include Brad Young, we maybe also might include Luca Murphy for whom we eventually via a tribunal got a six figure fee of compo apparently.
Am i missing anyone out ?
But all in all Mr Billinghampoolie, i reckon we might have been lucky to get in total £400,000 max for all those "let go" players in fees, not anywhere near the £3 million you suggest.
Am also genuinely interested, so you could please enlighten us all with some more details on your player valuations?
Help me out.
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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
NortonPoolie63 wrote:
Can understand Singh being bitter with Challinor but what he needs to remember is that most managers are only six games away from the sack. As such they would only be human in looking after their own interests. After all they still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. Challinor was sacked by Fylde after getting three promotions so was always going to looking out for himself after getting us promoted. The potential at Stockport was obvious and gave him the opportunity to sleep in his own bed at night after giving us two good years. Can understand Singh being upset at the lack of credit afforded to him for getting us up as he thinks he funded the promotion to the tune of £750k. He goes on to say he has spent £1.7k this season which has resulted in us going down. So it's the manager not just the money that gives a result. Singh should thank his lucky stars that he had Challinor here as subsequent choices haven't been any where near. We now need to move on and trust in Askey. Let it go Mr Singh.


If he spent 1.7 million on that team he must of got 3 million back from the players he let go.


The majority of the 1.7 if correct will of come from
Fans
Sponsors Suit Direct
Sky
Prize moneys from 2 cup runs.

Quite a few poolies petrified of RS.
Believe me his final decision will have nothing to do with fans moaning.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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If he was influenced by fans moaning he would've just walked and called in any outstanding loans putting us into administration without a second thought.
He's not going anywhere anytime soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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instead of bitter singh i,m waiting for the launch of some craft beer called singh bitter. anyone got a slogan for it although he,d fancy the old double diamond one of it working wonders.


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accrington fan wrote:
instead of bitter singh i,m waiting for the launch of some craft beer called singh bitter. anyone got a slogan for it although he,d fancy the old double diamond one of it working wonders.



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accrington fan wrote:
instead of bitter singh i,m waiting for the launch of some craft beer called singh bitter. anyone got a slogan for it although he,d fancy the old double diamond one of it working wonders.


Is that to go alongside the Challinor pedigree - A Slightly sour taste bbolt


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accrington fan wrote:
instead of bitter singh i,m waiting for the launch of some craft beer called singh bitter. anyone got a slogan for it although he,d fancy the old double diamond one of it working wonders.


Is that to go alongside the Challinor pedigree - A Slightly sour taste bbolt

Alcohol free I presume.

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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
NortonPoolie63 wrote:
Can understand Singh being bitter with Challinor but what he needs to remember is that most managers are only six games away from the sack. As such they would only be human in looking after their own interests. After all they still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. Challinor was sacked by Fylde after getting three promotions so was always going to looking out for himself after getting us promoted. The potential at Stockport was obvious and gave him the opportunity to sleep in his own bed at night after giving us two good years. Can understand Singh being upset at the lack of credit afforded to him for getting us up as he thinks he funded the promotion to the tune of £750k. He goes on to say he has spent £1.7k this season which has resulted in us going down. So it's the manager not just the money that gives a result. Singh should thank his lucky stars that he had Challinor here as subsequent choices haven't been any where near. We now need to move on and trust in Askey. Let it go Mr Singh.


If he spent 1.7 million on that team he must of got 3 million back from the players he let go.


The majority of the 1.7 if correct will of come from
Fans
Sponsors Suit Direct
Sky
Prize moneys from 2 cup runs.

Quite a few poolies petrified of RS.
Believe me his final decision will have nothing to do with fans moaning.


Yes you still have the fans who sincerely belive in raj who won't tell any lies? Yet things slowly coming out that maybe he doesn't tell us the truth all the time


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Sodium Pent0thal ale or Truth or dare.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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Snowy wrote:
scfc1973 wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
instead of bitter singh i,m waiting for the launch of some craft beer called singh bitter. anyone got a slogan for it although he,d fancy the old double diamond one of it working wonders.


Is that to go alongside the Challinor pedigree - A Slightly sour taste bbolt

Alcohol free I presume.

no that would be the new hastie mild. the only alcohol free product to give you a hangover.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
NortonPoolie63 wrote:
Can understand Singh being bitter with Challinor but what he needs to remember is that most managers are only six games away from the sack. As such they would only be human in looking after their own interests. After all they still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed. Challinor was sacked by Fylde after getting three promotions so was always going to looking out for himself after getting us promoted. The potential at Stockport was obvious and gave him the opportunity to sleep in his own bed at night after giving us two good years. Can understand Singh being upset at the lack of credit afforded to him for getting us up as he thinks he funded the promotion to the tune of £750k. He goes on to say he has spent £1.7k this season which has resulted in us going down. So it's the manager not just the money that gives a result. Singh should thank his lucky stars that he had Challinor here as subsequent choices haven't been any where near. We now need to move on and trust in Askey. Let it go Mr Singh.


If he spent 1.7 million on that team he must of got 3 million back from the players he let go.


The majority of the 1.7 if correct will of come from
Fans
Sponsors Suit Direct
Sky
Prize moneys from 2 cup runs.

Quite a few poolies petrified of RS.
Believe me his final decision will have nothing to do with fans moaning.


Yes you still have the fans who sincerely belive in raj who won't tell any lies? Yet things slowly coming out that maybe he doesn't tell us the truth all the time


Like i said on other thread.
Its a must read for Poolies.
But the few Sing worshippers will say its made up shit.
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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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People need to understand that by stating the club is up for sale and i will walk if people speak abuse.

He has in one fell swoop scuppered Askeys recruitment, What player/agent would consider pools
If there is a chance of the club going into admin.

Not very bright AGAIN................


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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well the players are all being paid unlike wigan and we have not done a southend yet with another winding up order. know some will say yet, but until it happens lets be positive as we cannot do anything about it.


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New apology video required to get the fans back onside.


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 Post subject: Re: Bitter Singh ... let it go
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Judging by the comments on here, it doesn't matter what Singh says or doesn't say, some people's minds are already made up.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Judging by the comments on here, it doesn't matter what Singh says or doesn't say, some people's minds are already made up.

do not mind what he does as long as he gives JA a fighting chance with a decent budget. he is no different from many other owners where words are only believed once you see the actions of them. football is far more emotive than most businesses and i doubt he would have reacted in the same way with customers in his everyday life. however once something is said its out there for ever and no saying sorry will remove the words.


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Precisely, just as I was saying, no amount apologies will appease the haters so he might as well save his breath and focus on giving JA what he needs.


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see hednesford town are not going to compete in the 2023/4 season as a new owner has pulled out. always be careful what we really wish for.


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Ozzy Saltburn wrote:
Judging by the comments on here, it doesn't matter what Singh says or doesn't say, some people's minds are already made up.

I don’t suppose Raj came into the game to be a failure, that would make no sense at all. Maybe he thought he’d cracked it when he signed Challinor and we got promotion and then life kicks you in the love pods.

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This is what Challinor has to say about his Chairman, Read between the lines.

"Challinor, however, says Stott is not an owner who is constantly on the manager's case, demanding returns for his investment."

""In terms of his involvement he is, as he looks, ridiculously laid back. We don't see a great deal of him and he lets us get on with our stuff. But we know that if we need anything, he is there to help"

"That's probably unique for a lot of owners in terms of how they go about it, and it's working with us."

From bbc sports.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
This is what Challinor has to say about his Chairman, Read between the lines.

"Challinor, however, says Stott is not an owner who is constantly on the manager's case, demanding returns for his investment."

""In terms of his involvement he is, as he looks, ridiculously laid back. We don't see a great deal of him and he lets us get on with our stuff. But we know that if we need anything, he is there to help"

"That's probably unique for a lot of owners in terms of how they go about it, and it's working with us."

From bbc sports.

a case of bringing in his own men and has the ability to deligate. both things are harder to achieve for everyone.


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accrington fan wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
This is what Challinor has to say about his Chairman, Read between the lines.

"Challinor, however, says Stott is not an owner who is constantly on the manager's case, demanding returns for his investment."

""In terms of his involvement he is, as he looks, ridiculously laid back. We don't see a great deal of him and he lets us get on with our stuff. But we know that if we need anything, he is there to help"

"That's probably unique for a lot of owners in terms of how they go about it, and it's working with us."

From bbc sports.

a case of bringing in his own men and has the ability to deligate. both things are harder to achieve for everyone.


And some just like to Control.


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Grayhoundend wrote:
accrington fan wrote:
Grayhoundend wrote:
This is what Challinor has to say about his Chairman, Read between the lines.

"Challinor, however, says Stott is not an owner who is constantly on the manager's case, demanding returns for his investment."

""In terms of his involvement he is, as he looks, ridiculously laid back. We don't see a great deal of him and he lets us get on with our stuff. But we know that if we need anything, he is there to help"

"That's probably unique for a lot of owners in terms of how they go about it, and it's working with us."

From bbc sports.

a case of bringing in his own men and has the ability to deligate. both things are harder to achieve for everyone.


And some just like to Control.


As long as the Manager is doing well you won’t see the chairman/owner, story how Clough told the chairman to leave the dressing room.


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As long as the Manager is doing well you won’t see the chairman/owner, story how Clough told the chairman to leave the dressing room.

just bask in the glory of what the manager created in the boardroom. then 6 months down the line hand out P45,s if the glory days are over for them. they,d keep well clear of the dressing room if they knew what the players really thought of mr.chairman.


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