not bothered who they are as long as they are the best people for the job. could have a whole black cabinet if they were the best or an all white ex public school one if they were the top mp.s.

Er, why? What’s up with them being black ……. Debate….?
I can’t believe I’ve just read that.

I have no problem with black people as I said, I have worked and lived with people of all different colours of skins and creeds.
Black people always do better as they know deep down a white person could always be selected before them.
The far right is what I mean by debate, they might have a problem but the 4 of them were all born in the U.K.
I am just trying to stir the shit and score political points.

I think you’re missing the point, why even raise the question of their colour in the first place

From tomoro can u have 2 days off from being argumentive. Then resume your normal behavior sat nite were it will most probably be anutha winless league game.
Have u seen the clip of the New Health Minister.
Talk about jobs for the Girls

I'll decide who has time off from here and not you.

Surely what a person looks like doesn't come into it. The important factor is ability to do the job, well it is for me anyway.
She may turn out to be any number of things but the smart money is on let's see what she can do and then judge.

In KPG’s world Mr D, they have to be page three stunners. Ah well.

Another shower of shit i am afraid. I don't know any of them personally but I am going to call them a shower of shit anyway.

Truss refusing to tax the profits of the energy companies most of which have increased because of the war. Even the chairman of BP said it was money they weren’t expecting so taxing the profits wouldn’t be a problem.
Nope Truss and co are going to borrow the money at the taxpayers expense to cap energy prices, can’t get my head round that.

No she's not refusing to tax the profits, that happens automatically. She is refusing to rely on windfall taxes, which are separate to the normal tax system.

Is that you Wolfy …….

Power to the people

A windfall tax is a one-off tax imposed by a government on a company.
The idea is to target firms that were lucky enough to benefit from something they were not responsible for - in other words, a windfall.
Energy firms are getting much more money for their oil and gas than they were last year, partly because demand has increased as the world emerges from the pandemic, but more recently because of supply concerns due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Yeah I think we all know that but you said she was refusing to tax the profits, which is simply not true. I'll repeat she is refusing to impose a windfall tax.

She will tax the profits but a windfall tax would possibly have been paid as a one of at above the normal rate they would normally pay on profits. Now she is going to borrow the money to cap energy prices which means all of us will be contributing to the loan via our taxes over the years so she is not giving us a freeby Companies will still be maintaining their huge profits of the back of us, we wouldn’t have to pay the windfall tax back.

The concept of a windfall tax is an odd one…. A company will pay extra tax because it’s making extra profits, to impose an extra tax because they’re making big profits ( which will be taxed) is odd.
If you you worked loads of overtime, you’ll get taxed on your overtime. But if they also then decided to put a windfall tax on your overtime because you’ve earned an amount much larger than normal. Same principle.

But the profits were unexpected due to the increase in energy prices because if the war, not like overtime which in general was regular and not unexpected in my working days.

Cause is irrelevant, in theory unexpected overtime is no different to an unexpected war in the sense income has gone up above the norm, even though they are vastly different scenario’s.
Regular overtime? I used to get an unexpected call out at 2.40 in the morning as required, regular guaranteed overtime is just a greedy employer not having a big enough work force and indicative of piss poor planning.
No wonder the country was on the bones of it’s arse in the 70’s and 80’s.

We the consumers will effectively be paying off the loans over years / decades as it will be added to our bills.
Its a fiddle to make the government look good and the oil companies rich.

What’s new pussycat.

Overtime in my industry was some times down to greedy employers subsidising poor rates of pay but usually a necessary evil because there were deadlines to meet. There was only so much labour you could throw on a project with out falling over each other. Giant crane vessels in the North Sea had be ordered in some cases years in advance as they were travelling from one side of the globe to the other from project to project costing millions if there was delay in getting the modules offshore so deadlines had to be met.The next stage was the hook up, swamped by workers 12/16 hours a day to get the facility into production to pay for the project which probably had been in the planning for 5 years or more costing billions.

If it had been in the planning for five years you’d minimise your problems.
I spent 8 years in an heavy engineering planning dept when I was young and ambitious.

Deleted reply, a bit long winded, too much free time on my hands !

What you are trying to equate doesn’t make sense unless the amount of overtime you were doing put up peoples gas and leccy bills

A modern day Sam Fox would inspire the nation to go slimfast healthy.
There was almost more tits in the Sport newspaper than this current government. Never did believe that story of a Double Decker Bus found on the moon.

Er, maybe not, she came out as a lesbian in 2003.

gets me in mind of that old early 60,s fim, Live Now Pay Later only this is no comedy. after covid and now this the country is in more debt than bobby thompson and unless you,re young i doubt it will be payed off in most of our lifetime. WW2 debt and borrowing was only paid off finally a few years ago. would not mind if the government cut its cloth a bit more to save in other areas that do not affect the average person in the street even if that cut seems relativly small in the big picture.

Now Now Snowy
Equal rights for all warps of genders nowadays.

Just saving some people from chasing a fox they’d get a shock with.
Actually pulled up next her at traffic lights in Dagenham one Sunday morning, she was in a black escort open top XR summat or other in her leather outfit, she looked like a black pudding. My uncle in the passenger seat said ignore her but the kids in the back were staring at her.

Still waiting for a reply on this

I was relating the basic theory to our terms. Any excess profit made will already be taxed so a windfall tax is just a populist way of raising money by any government who’s run out of ideas
Will we get the windfall tax in our pockets, maybe a percentage, but instead put a cap back on the price so we’re paying what we were paying when all this shit started.
Energy payments in the forms of refunds usually don’t go to pay bills, it’s human nature, so cut the middle man out and return prices to what they originally were. The company’s can pick up the bill.

We could do what France has done and capped the price rise at 5% ish and that’s effectively a windfall tax, we don’t pay the extra, they don’t get the excess profits correct Mr Snowy

[quote="Snowy"][. Any excess profit made will already be taxed so a windfall tax is just a populist way of raising money by any government who’s run out of ideas

as the lefties look at it a tax of envy. even some on here could get into a similar situation if what i have recently heard is true. sell your own house and you have limited time to spend the profit made from the sale for somewhere new otherwise the tax suits will be after a percentage of this. therefore you are taxed twice, on the money earned to buy the place in the first instance and profit made through no fault of your own because house prices have risen and a hell of a lot over the 45 years they have lived there.

We could make all energy free and someone would come on here and say "Yes I know it's free to toast bread, so can I have a free toaster and bread and butter and marmite ( that'll get rid of a few)

Boris recommended we all buy a new kettle.
Crisis over then.

that should be the legacy he has left us with. possibly he has shares in some company that makes em.

We pay a fixed fee for water, but you don’t go round filling up baths and pans with water because it’s free. What’s up with a fixed rate for energy with variations for circumstances.
Electric cars should be on a separate meter though so you pay if you have one.

If you have a Water meter you only pay for what you use plus the standard daily charge.

Yes you do…..BUT…… until everyone has one, then prices will go up. That’s a promise.

We could do what France has done and capped the price rise at 5% ish and that’s effectively a windfall tax, we don’t pay the extra, they don’t get the excess profits correct Mr Snowy[/quote]


5% for how long? the majority of their nuclear reactors need serious repair jobs done on them and are currently shut down.

5% for how long? the majority of their nuclear reactors need serious repair jobs. [/quote]

Having worked on Hartlepool PS for a few years it was meant to have a life finishing about 5 years ago kept going with gaffer tape and WD40 like a lot of others I worked on.

Having worked on Hartlepool PS for a few years it was meant to have a life finishing about 5 years ago kept going with gaffer tape and WD40 like a lot of others I worked on.[/quote]

We can all sleep soundly in our beds knowing these 2 incredible products are keeping the lights on.

Having worked on Hartlepool PS for a few years it was meant to have a life finishing about 5 years ago kept going with gaffer tape and WD40 like a lot of others I worked on.[/quote]


All the same serious problems ahead for the French economy ahead with this issue mr rinkender?

We can all sleep soundly in our beds knowing these 2 incredible products are keeping the lights on. [/quote]


Never had any insecurities in the bedroom..Lights on always seems to please them.

You can apply for one, free to instal.

I don’t want one. When everybody has a meter, bills will begin to rise. All you’ve got is a sweetener to get people on board. Make the most of it.

not too sure even at the moment whether its cheaper having a water meter or not. the only problem with meters is if you have an undetected leak and you pay for something going back into the ground.

Asked to check out a local shop whose water bills were high yet they only had a toilet and a sink. Looking for a leak, but no joy. Shop was closed temporarily a few weeks later, but we’d been monitoring the water use daily and after a fortnight of being closed the water was being still used…… time for a check of the water meter by the water company, verified as working accurately…. till we had a look and found the water meter was connected to the business next door whose business used plenty of the water, and our place to their meter.
Bastards.