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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 9:04 am 
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Krampesh wrote:
Agree with you there Snowy.
If it's a choice out of Williamson and Grayson, I know who I'd prefer and it's not the man who has years of experience

agree. grayson is like signing a player who was good in the past but has gone off the boil with his last few clubs. would not mind williamson that much as long as he has a number 2 with vast league experiance in that job and both can kick ass a bit.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Krampesh wrote:
Agree with you there Snowy.
If it's a choice out of Williamson and Grayson, I know who I'd prefer and it's not the man who has years of experience

I could see either of them 2 getting the 5 months 3 weeks 6 days carry on exercised again.


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What makes it worse are the massive salaries and payoffs for failure ,, so you can have managers going from club to club and failing at every one and making a very good living

It ‘s a career path for some managers, getting paid off, I bet there’s a degree course somewhere examining how to be rewarded for gross incompetence in you ‘profession’.
Any other profession like a doctor, airline pilot etc would out on their ear but some of these ‘characters’ have refined it, probably with a pension plan
Who do we blame, well quite simply the mugs who get taken in by them at the interview, or tipped the wink that so and so’s available and willing once he’s been paid off by Scragton Rovers….. and so the dismal chain of avoidable events continues.
Hire for the long term not the quick fix.

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Watched Jeff Stellings YouTube video Yesterday.
Reckons Radgy wants automatic promotion next season but he will settle for the playoffs.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Watched Jeff Stellings YouTube video Yesterday.
Reckons Radgy wants automatic promotion next season but he will settle for the playoffs.

so do we and the rest of the fans and teams in league 2 as well. Doubt the R word was mentioned in oldham this time last year. If he wants it he needs to try to get the best man to lead the team and a decent budget for players.


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You have a good idea where the season’s going by September…… :uhoh:

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
Watched Jeff Stellings YouTube video Yesterday.
Reckons Radgy wants automatic promotion next season but he will settle for the playoffs.

so do we and the rest of the fans and teams in league 2 as well. Doubt the R word was mentioned in oldham this time last year. If he wants it he needs to try to get the best man to lead the team and a decent budget for players.


Exactly
But as it stands now them 2 must of been sniffing glue from the same pot.
:lol: bbolt
Talk is cheap lets see some movement on the recruitment scene sharpish.
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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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On Bob Mortimor’s podcast Athletico Mince, he does a skit about the British managers about how they are all in a gang together with Allardyce in charge. They take turns getting jobs just to get paid off and then they put the cash in their joint kitty. I think Pulis, Hughes, Hodgson, Bruce and Moyes are the other members.


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Most of them should be kept in glass cases with the following instructions on….
BREAK IN CASE OF EMERGENCY ….Suitable for use only in those areas where all sense and hope has left the club’s owners. Not suitable for long term use as effect quickly wanes. Please dispose of carefully as removal costs can make the hirer’s eyes sting.

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Seems the facebook fan groups have us getting some bloke called Hartley in charge ?

Also the Kelty fella is still kicking about as a strong rumour

Think Grayson is off to India too. A certain former Pools player who spent time at said team from the town almost confirming this to a lad i know


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Seems the facebook fan groups have us getting some bloke called Hartley in charge ?

J R Hartley of fly fishing fame off the adverts for Yellow Pages years ago, or the Jam family, we need to know :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sp ... CcjdqZxHbA

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Why are we getting linked with scottish pub team managers -

Guessing the new recruitment guy has set his search filters on win % and Sub 50k wages and its pumped out some decent sunday league managers from jock land


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Eiphos_3 wrote:
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/cove-rangers/4285679/cove-rangers-paul-hartley-manager-of-the-season/?fbclid=IwAR2I4yuNwhYKga-CIvyYilAZUL9RyALufxWvSlng7KOEUwMVPCcjdqZxHbA

This fella

I like how the chairman is on about some ‘players hybrid pay structure’, does that mean half the wages go in the bank and the rest to pay their electricity bills?

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59938792

'With financial backing, eye-catching transfer business followed. A backbone of local players was burnished by the likes of former Hibernian and Dundee United midfielder Fraser Fyvie and prolific lower-league striker Rory McAllister. They were simply too good for League 2.'

Seems like Cove are being bankrolled so unsure if the 2 promotions in 3 years is down to the manager or just the fact they have much better players.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Maybe if you play shite or dont turn up
Because you got a toothpick stuck in your real molar etc then you only get so much of your wages. A philosophy we should adopt.

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Noticed on social media - sterry having a dig at shelton on a recent post he made on his holidays referring to the earbud saga. Hope he gets released


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Reading between the lines - its down to financial backing clearly. They established themselves by the looks of things when they won L2 - they have Aberdeen as their feeder club for released talent and also The Dundee clubs. Having the finances to offer those lads decent deals and keep them local is now paying dividends.

This could be us - our business model as stayed many times before should be based on picking up the Sterrys and released sunderland talent - offering them 3 year deals on decent money and turning them into better players and selling them on for profits. Little bit of investment at the front stage goes along way. Albeit 3 out of say 6 of those players may not reach the potential but hey thats football
And the gamble the owner should take.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Reading between the lines - its down to financial backing clearly. They established themselves by the looks of things when they won L2 - they have Aberdeen as their feeder club for released talent and also The Dundee clubs.

While that may well be the case, you tend to find our big neighbours would rather send their players out to the bloody Falklands Rovers FC than here. The thing is a lot of loan players go to clubs on loan and build up a relationship with the club they were on loan to and end up there when released so we miss out on building that connection.

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Yeh thats what id like the new manager perhaps owners at some point to get sorted. The relationship should be all about helping your north east neighbours as we did over the years with supplying Gateshead and Whitby with lads. We should have some
Gentlemans agreement that we take a look at their academy leftovers somehow and be able to approach them early and introduce them
To pools and the vision, make them buy into coming here as their next stop. Soon as this becomes the norm so to speak more lads will follow. Obviously gracing their palms with silver always helps. But yeh you are correct, the dog
And duck in the highlands of scotland always seem to get first dibs on the promising academy players from round here. Even teams like Hull
Should be looked at and poked with a stick. There needs to be something done and i think it lies with not having scouts and backroom
Staff who could potentially let the club know about good released players.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Sometimes I think the Mags in particular and Sunderland don’t even know we exist, I always get the impression they don’t even class us as actually being in the North East.

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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Grayson now strongly in to 1/2 favourite on betting odds. Seems like a done deal Larry will be coming here. Lets hope he puts his last 4 failures behind him and we see some of the old Larry like blackpool 2007


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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It seems that Grayson is the current favourite for the manager's job. I am sure that those responsible for the appointment will be looking at his most recent stats.

i have done some very rough and approximate calculations and come up with the following averages over his last four appointments.

Length of stay in post - 6.25 months
Win % - 25.6%
Draw % - 32%
Loss % - 41.5%.

Translating those % averages into a 46 match season, and calculating up to the next high figure in some cases, I think the following represent what our point count could look like.

Wins - 25.6% of 46 = 11.77 - so rounding it up you could say 12. 12 wins = 36 pts.
Draws - 32% of 46 = 14.72 - so rounding it up you could say 15 draws = 15 pts.
Grand total - 51 points. OK, we would probably survive but would be miles away from the play-offs.

I appreciate that he had a degree of success early in his managerial career, but that seemed to end at PNE. His last club was Fleetwood and they are in the league to which we immediately aspire.

Are those averages good enough do you think?

Is this the sort of record, which if repeated, that we are seeking?

How many people has each of us met in our lives who can talk a good game but only hobble when it comes to the crunch?


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Maybe Stelling has put in a good word for Grayson lol


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A better choice than Lee or Stockdale/Woodman but would have liked better considering his past few clubs.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Following on from Arepea's stats.

Graham Lee's League 2 record across a full season would give us 53 points. I appreciate it fell off at the end but if the manager who got the sack for poor results would (statistically) net us more points in a season than our next appointment has averaged over his last 4 jobs then I think it's pretty damning...


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Wow … has the “geek” infiltrated the forum.

Nice facts. Although they mean nothing. It gives us something to go off.

Sadly ! Doesnt make for good reading


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If it is Grayson, he's got to make some startling signings to galvanise ST sales.
Personally I hope it isn't him

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derwent wrote:
If it is Grayson, he's got to make some startling signings to galvanise ST sales.
Personally I hope it isn't him


By the time we ask Grayson to manage us Norton and stockton ancients will of come up with a better counter offer.


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 Post subject: Re: New Manager.
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Arepea wrote:
It seems that Grayson is the current favourite for the manager's job. I am sure that those responsible for the appointment will be looking at his most recent stats.

i have done some very rough and approximate calculations and come up with the following averages over his last four appointments.

Length of stay in post - 6.25 months
Win % - 25.6%
Draw % - 32%
Loss % - 41.5%.

Translating those % averages into a 46 match season, and calculating up to the next high figure in some cases, I think the following represent what our point count could look like.

Wins - 25.6% of 46 = 11.77 - so rounding it up you could say 12. 12 wins = 36 pts.
Draws - 32% of 46 = 14.72 - so rounding it up you could say 15 draws = 15 pts.
Grand total - 51 points. OK, we would probably survive but would be miles away from the play-offs.

I appreciate that he had a degree of success early in his managerial career, but that seemed to end at PNE. His last club was Fleetwood and they are in the league to which we immediately aspire.

Are those averages good enough do you think?

Is this the sort of record, which if repeated, that we are seeking?

How many people has each of us met in our lives who can talk a good game but only hobble when it comes to the crunch?


What is his win % if you don’t pick an arbitrary date to start counting from?
Can imagine he easily averages 53 points all at a higher level


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If that’s the best we can do, might start collecting man hole covers as a pastime.

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marcus richardsons third leg wrote:

What is his win % if you don’t pick an arbitrary date to start counting from?
Can imagine he easily averages 53 points all at a higher level


His win % is just over 40% but is heavily skewed by Leeds and Preston.

If we're looking at total win % Dave Jones and Richard Money have better records.


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Winning promotion does tend to skew your win %


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marcus richardsons third leg wrote:
Winning promotion does tend to skew your win %


You're not wrong but his last promotion was 7 years ago. How come he hasn't done it again in the 7 years since?


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Krampesh wrote:
marcus richardsons third leg wrote:
Winning promotion does tend to skew your win %


You're not wrong but his last promotion was 7 years ago. How come he hasn't done it again in the 7 years since?

I'm not sure we should even worry about getting a manager to win us promotion, I think we need an expert in keeping clubs up. That retained list should send shudders down any decent managers spine.


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Krampesh wrote:
marcus richardsons third leg wrote:
Winning promotion does tend to skew your win %


You're not wrong but his last promotion was 7 years ago. How come he hasn't done it again in the 7 years since?


I think managers tactics can become outdated over time...what worked 10 years ago wont work now. Also with age often comes loss of motivation and taking jobs just to top up the pension plan


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
Krampesh wrote:
marcus richardsons third leg wrote:
Winning promotion does tend to skew your win %


You're not wrong but his last promotion was 7 years ago. How come he hasn't done it again in the 7 years since?

I'm not sure we should even worry about getting a manager to win us promotion, I think we need an expert in keeping clubs up. That retained list should send shudders down any decent managers spine.


Whos responsibile for that retained list.
The new manager mite think the unexpected new dealers are shit n he wont play them.
Surely it aint gunna be Nelson bbolt


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all these newbies..pesh peterpool arepea...fun and games...


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kevin pooles gloves wrote:
The new manager mite think the unexpected new dealers are shit n he wont play them.

What do you mean ‘might’….. :laugh:

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all these newbies..pesh peterpool arepea...fun and games...

Are they ‘medium’s’ family. Mr Waldorf. :laugh:

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snowy.."Are they ‘medium’s’ family. Mr Waldorf. :laugh:"

...possibly "inbred"...as the yakkers say ?


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‘Medium’ hasn’t been on pontificating and lecturing for a while, probably organising a campaign with Attenborough to make Killip a protected species and the Vic his natural environment.

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derwent wrote:
If it is Grayson, he's got to make some startling signings to galvanise ST sales.
Personally I hope it isn't him

a lot depends on which grayson we,ll get. one that will do anything to get his career back where it was or someone who seems to have lost it and go through the motions for another pay off. time will tell and he should be backed by everyone till we know better.


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accrington..."a lot depends on which grayson we,ll get."

...talks a good game perhaps...but not impressed by his recent history..had a watch of his press interview after he got the fleetwood job...from 13.14 journo asks him about his management style...appears his reputation is "not running the toughest dressing room" and he admits he likes to "have a laugh and joke with the players" but he says its all about striking the right "balance".....came across as far too nice and soft for me and a bit of a fanny tbh...inspirational and charismatic rating very low...he was a disaster with the mackems and the mighty fleetwood are happy to see him go...a definite no from me...

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The fact he couldnt do anything with that Sunderland side and an unknown Lee Johnson could pretty much sums up the guy for me. Cant be assed to be in this situation again come xmas - we arnt ready as a club to be messed about. No jack sparrows to captain this ship please.


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[quote="poolie] and the mighty fleetwood are happy to see him go...a definite no from me...

https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news/20 ... nd-desire/[/quote]
So he’s not a Fisherman’s Friend then. :laugh:

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snowy..."So he’s not a Fisherman’s Friend then". :laugh:

..no...not a fisherman type at all tbh imo..comes across as a wet fart who has probably never given anyone a right bollocking in his life..just what we need.. :roll:


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seems like a paul tisdale type of character. worked wonders at exeter but been a disaster everywhere he has gone since. begs a question was he lucky like grayson in his early days and been unlucky since though. fact is i doubt we,ll get anybody the majority of fans will be happy with.


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It’s an occupational hazard getting the sack for footballl managers. Average length of time is probably less than 3yrs. Do you want an expierenced manager he will no doubt have been sacked a number of times but then he must have something because he keeps getting jobs. Look at Curle and the bloke at Oldham for examples and then higher up the leagues Chris Hughton, Sam Allerdyce Neil Warnock, the list goes on. If you get success it is eventually followed by an unsuccessful period and the sack. Was Challinor sacked like this by Fylde?


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It’s an occupational hazard for players too. It’s a results business.

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The betting has been closed. Rumours of Paul Hartley or Grayson inbound!!!


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