No loyalty hope he rots greedy bastard

We can’t compete with Mansfield! Bad times.


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Where is this story coming from? Can't find any confirmation online. Slagging Oates off like that isn't going to look very clever if he signs a new contract with Pools!

What a totally unnecessary thing to say, players will leave, that’s life. I’ll be forever grateful for the goals he scored to get us out of non-league. No one is irreplaceable and I back Challinor 100% to replace him in time. Clearly going to take a bit of time and I’m sure we’ll have a shaky few weeks at the start of the season but we’ll be ok in the end.

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Strange that he sees Mansfield as bigger club than Pools

That leaves us with 18 year old Joe Grey as our only striker, still recovering from a serious injury.

We have a huge rebuilding job, in very short amount of time.

More like his wage packet sees them as bigger than Pools!

Can't be shocked we've lost him like, in fact, I'm shocked and somewhat disappointed he's not moved to a larger club.

Well said.

34 goals lost O & A irreplaceable

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Thanks for all you did last season Rhys, & good luck

They won,t score 34 goals between them this season at thier respective clubs.

Oates did extremely well for us as did Armstrong, And i wish them both well
For thier service to pools.

But remember oates struggled in LGe 2 as did Armstrong.
Do you really believe Salford would have sold Armstrong if they rated him.
And they are spending another boat load of cash on players.

Quite worrying that a club like Mansfield can take our best player from last season.

To be fair they were National League goals. Luke Armstrong has got 1 career goal in League Two. Rhys Oates has got 11, spread over 3 seasons.


OK, they've both followed the money but they're taking risks with their careers. They won't be automatic picks at their new clubs and if they don't hit the ground running they could spend a lot of next season on the sidelines. There would have been risks stepping up a division with Pools too, but the system we play suits them down to the ground and the fans would have given them loads of encouragement.

It's the old saying - be careful what you wish for.

Totally agree - Oates was a gamble when he came. We all doubted him
And even DC did by the looks when the season first started. But he turned into one of our best players. Massive good luck to the lad. Hopefully DC pulls another rabbit out the hat and revives the career of another established league striker. In DC we trust

He would have been our only goalkeeper as well! Good luck Rhys and thanks for the second half of the season.

Reading between the lines from the Hartlepool Mail interview and what Dave Challinor has said on the Official Site, it sounds like the club were under the impression Oates was resigning.


Dave Challinor:

"Unfortunately, Rhys will be moving on to pastures new. He was offered a very very good deal by the club but he wasn’t willing to back himself and has decided his future lies elsewhere.

Everyone has decisions to make that suit themselves and their circumstances which we all completely understand. The only slight disappointment from our side of things is the fact Rhys has had no communication with any staff to let us know his thoughts and decision and that leaves a bit of a sour taste. We’ve had other players move on who have done so in what I would say is the right way."

Just hope he doesn't suffer the same "welcome" that Kevin Betsy got after signing for Oldham some years ago. "One greedy bastard there's only one greedy bastard ". There was some venom in that chant I can tell you !

Sounds like his been a bit of dick the way he's gone on.

Looking at it now we are nailed on for relegation

Massive week ahead MASSIVE

Yeah that has soured things a little, no complaints if he has a better offer but pretty poor from him not to speak to tell the club.

No we are not nailed on, we have some fantastic players at league 2 level and with one or two forwards we will do exceptionally well. Oates was useless in league two i give him 3 months before he regrets going to Mansfield and is probobly sat on their bench.

Shame that it’s ended on a bad note. We wouldn’t be back in the League without him.

The key thing we need now is for the players who have been made offers to make decisions quickly. Then we know where we stand and the club can get on with recruiting where we need to.

It’s not a complete surprise he has gone. He had a number of clubs looking at him after his form in the second half of the season but I thought it would have been a bigger club than Mansfield.

Oates scored his first goal v Stockport just before Christmas, soon after Armstrong joined. So as we know it was their prolific partnership that eventually clicked after that that saw them getting all those goals between them. Next season it is highly unlikely they’ll score anything like that number because a) they won’t have each other and b) they’re in a higher league, a league, as has been said, they struggled in in the past. Let’s just be grateful the stars were aligned when they came together and took Pools back to the promised land of League 2.

Oates is a Pontefract born lad and he's signing for Mansfield which is only 48 miles away, maybe he just wants to be closer to home/family. Remember Bennett got 5 goals in only 4 games for us it's about giving your forwards the right service, admittedly Rhys did create goals out of nothing too but good luck to him no animosity from me. We just need to sign capable replacements.

They both did a Job for us, that's football move on and hopefully we might get a bit of help from our neighbours in the same class as Cass and who knows what can happen!

need to sign some players and pronto!

Remember when we signed Richie Barker from Mansfield all those years ago, it's just them getting their own back.

What have you done Oates,y you may need some decent leg warmers.
the players below have signed for Mansfield.

And these too were paid a fee for, and not on a free.

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Mansfield Town is delighted to announce the signing of 6’ 6” striker Oli Hawkins from Ipswich Town for an undisclosed fee.
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Mansfield Town is delighted to announce the signing of striker Danny Johnson from Leyton Orient on a two-year contract.
The frontman notched 20 goals in 2020/21 for the O’s, including a run of five goals in the first five matches of the season.
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Very disappointed. He was like a son to me. But that’s football. We move on. It’s an opportunity for someone else to come in. Might have seen the best of him only time will tell but Mansfield Rhys? Really? Anyway thanks for the hard work you put in, you’ll always have a place in my heart despite leaving with not as much as a word.

When I say always I mean about ten days, two weeks max. Tara.

bye

The most disappointing of the lot, he’s an absolute game changer. Out of nowhere was an animal at getting past players, touch, movement and finish. Gutted doesn’t cut it on this one.

Think ourselves lucky if we hadnt beaten torquay this would of happened anyway and we would still be in the n.l without a team and no money.
Its up to raj now to give dc a decent budget to put together a decent team and just consolidate this season.

We had one of the lower budgets in the national league, now were losing players to Mansfield of all teams. Chances are we will probobly have the lowest budget in the football league, good job we have a miracle worker as a manager.

A tiny bit of ambition and forward thinking would of been nice though.

Like Armstrong cheers for the goals Oates which played a major part in our return to the EFL.

A bit frustrating that we struggling to negotiate deals with the out of contract players.
Hopefully Sterry isent the next one to leave or DC.

If I remember rightly we still owe a shitload of money to a previous owner.
Was it Blackledge.
Surely the Windfall from Leicester hasent already gone.
Anyway keep the faith.
UTP.

And Mansfield have one of the biggest budgets in the division.

From DC's comments in the Mail this morning, it sounds like some signings are imminent. Hopefully, we can see the squad take shape in the next few days.

That's not true. A couple of months back when the amounts clubs had spent on agent's fees was published I posted a comparison of what NL clubs had spent. The two Counties, Notts and Stockport, were way out front with over £60k spent on agent's fees but Pools spent over £40k on agents and were in the top handful of clubs who had splashed the cash in that Covid year. We spent a lot more than Torquay, for example.

I have no idea how our player budget compares with other League Two clubs this coming season but Mansfield are obviously up there trying to buy promotion along with the likes of Salford.

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And Mansfield have one of the biggest budgets in the division.

if they had the same last season then they must have wasted it. just wonder what the majority of their fans think about signing a non league player who had an excellent second part of a season but had previously been crap for most of his career. as for oates himself money is obviously the main reason for moving sideways to a club that are hardly favourites ever for promotion. just again was our offer to him a derisory one as i doubt when we signed him his phone would not have been red hot with contract offers or big bucks.

geography has a lot to do with things as well. pools being a lower league club out on a limb makes it harder to recruit players. the reason torquay always struggled and eventually ended up non league as well. not everyone would want to move miles away from their previous homes unless it was either worthwhile to their pockets or it was the only offer they got.

Dave Challinor said Oates had a very good offer from Pools and he was expecting him to sign on for us again as recently as yesterday afternoon.

By all accounts the initial offers made to the group of players Pools wanted to re-sign were stingy. You could say that was a negotiating tactic and they were always willing to up the offers, but if so it has backfired because Challinor is quoted this morning saying agents are coming back wanting an extra £400 a week for their players compared to what they were indicating was acceptable a few days before.

I don’t think the budget at pools is vastly different to most clubs. I think DC has said that. He’s never said we are finding it difficult to sign players because of the budget I dont think. Raj seems to have supported him with the loan signings whenever needed which is how we need to operate really. Core of players plus loanees. I’d expect the chairman to do everything he can to see us be competitive this season and protect the investment he’s made. Big thing for me would be DC extending his contract. If two thirds of his signings turn out to be decent we should be fine. Some long term loans and the odd loan signings through the season. As others have said I’d rather be in this position than looking at another season in the NL.

think all these agents just seem to have one thing on their minds. getting the best financial deal for a player which might not be the best career move for that player. in normal jobs money is not everything as i know for certain. sideways moves can put a few extra quid in your pocket but can end up you leaving where you were popular to somewhere you end up in the canteen as a billy no mates.

And if it doesnt work out you get a transfer somewhere else and are compensated for being moved on before your contract has expired.
Most footballers are badge kissing mercenaries, they dont care what shirt they wear, they just care about their bank balance.

Always difficult to know who to believe. Why wouldnt we have tried to extend his contract last season? Perhaps we did and he wanted to keep his options open. We’ll never know probably.

think all these agents just seem to have one thing on their minds. getting the best financial deal for a player which might not be the best career move for that player. in normal jobs money is not everything as i know for certain. sideways moves can put a few extra quid in your pocket but can end up you leaving where you were popular to somewhere you end up in the canteen as a billy no mates.[/quote]

That is why players like Featherstone and Humphreys deserve respect for staying and realising that we plucked them out of obscurity and the downward slide. Twice we have done it for Oates and the same result, very sad for a few extra pennies.

Reading the comments from Challinor, in particular that Oates was not prepared to back himself. That suggests that he would be the main man as lead striker rather than a partnership such as he had with Armstrong. Let's face it, before Armstrong arrived, Oates was not setting the League alight. I'm thinking he won't have that pressure at Mansfield with the two other strikers they have signed.

That said - thanks to O&A, we're promoted and time will tell whether those two have made good choices. Luke James at Barrow anyone?

Employees change, especially those on fixed contracts. The good news is that if Challinor is peed off with him, he's not planning to go anywhere else himself.

don't get all the comments about mansfield being a sideways step....we have just come up and they have been in this league for a little while now....we have no idea how established we will become in the league after 4/5 years out of it

the club give him a 1 year contract last summer, which give him a chance but hardly shouted out confidence he would do well.

he goes with well wishes for me, done a job in getting us back up into football league and we move on. this time last season we would hardly have been excited about prospect of signing him.