The 6 greedy gets who are looking to join the European super league, should be kicked out and be disaffiliated from the english game.
Then they cant play anywhere

Kicked out by who? They also control the Premier League.

The rest should break away and create a more equable league, 1 vote per club, not dominated by foreign owned greedy owners.

Premier league have condemned the 6,surely as the governing body they could expel them

This is all about greed just as the Premiership is all about greed. The premiership can hardly criticise the creation of another tier above themselves when they did exactly that to the rest of us.
Personally I don't like it and I hope it doesn't happen but the template was established when the premiership was formed and this is progression from that. The only difference is that the people creating this new super tier want to ring fence their creation to stop anybody else from joining in.
I think an order of popcorn is on the cards.

I really can't say I give a toss one way or another about this. The Premier League is all about money anyway and Man City have way more than anyone else. Ironically, Newcastle would have been the only club really able to compete if the Saudi takeover had gone through - it turns out that Prince Mohammed Bin Salman was behind it all along.

If 6 Premier League clubs naff off to a European super league, so what? There's a hundred plus professional clubs in England - can they go at the end of this season please so it's 8 promoted from from the National League to EFL 2? It would save us a lot of stress!

Agree. Kick them out. English football league and below is strong enough to survive without these mercenaries. Let's have the old four divisions back like it used to with Pools back in the 4th. Maybe we will see our neighbours S'land and N'castle back at the top. OK. Plastic stadiums and fairweather fans including down here in Cornwall. No love lost from me if they go. I'd send a couple more with them.

I see the Premier League have called these breakaway clubs greedy.

In other news, Fred and Rose West complain about child abuse in local authority children’s homes.

I thought Fred was dead ! But I get your point. The 12 breakaway clubs are just being very greedy, instead of greedy.

Sky are blowing hot air out their arses, watch see if they dont bid for the screening rights

It would surprise me if that hasn't already been discussed

[quote="Mr Irrelevant"]I see the Premier League have called these breakaway clubs greedy.

not bad for a league that invented greed in the first place. for me they can all bugger off to their new league for ever. will not be watching their new mid week television sports spectacular anyway if it does come off. just wonder who the person was who brought up the idea in the first place. there is bound to be someone who will probebly come from the middle east or the usa. anyway till more info comes out i,ll blame coxall and dave jones.

Last night the European Super League confirmed its plans to begin the new competition in August, so if all parties stick to their guns and the 'Big 6' are expelled from the Prem I might get my wish (though it would be 6 not 8 promoted from the NL, as there'd be no relegation from EFL 2).

Can't see it working out that way, but there's going to be so much bad blood it just might.

In an ideal world and if it was up to me I’d say good riddance to them if that’s what they want to do. It is greed gone mad, let them go.

Then I’d let new clubs be created to represent the people of the cities of Liverpool, Manchester & London to compete in the football league, which would revert to the four divisional model.

We would then have a more even competition, more enjoyable for all. Sadly, this won’t happen of course.

I remember a few months ago Sean Dyche saying why should the bigger clubs help the smaller ones.
Well Sean you are about to be cut adrift and afe now a smaller club

the main thing with the break away league is that there will be no promotion or relegation involved. thats a concept foreign owners have never understood in our game. same in rugby league where clubs have had to fight tooth and nail to retain it.

Apparently there has been a shift in favour of "other teams would be able to join" but by what formula it isn't clear yet.

I think that they are deliberately starting from a position of intransigence so that when the shit hits the fan ( which it has) they can compromise to try and gain the moral high ground. These clubs are owned and run by hard nosed businessmen used to the cut and thrust of high level negotiations and this scenario will have been intensely scrutinized from every angle
and then some more. The preparation will have entailed every possibility down to the minutest of detail. All we have had from the "other side" so far is knee jerk reaction.
Let it run a bit more.

Or a leaver to get a more lucrative Champions league deal?

just imagine the stick these fans of these 6 clubs will be getting at work today especially the ones that live away from the area. no matter what they feel themselves on the subject there will be talk of how they can still be involved with their clubs. i,m sure more than a few will turn their backs on these clubs and look for somewhere they may feel more valued and actually be able to watch another club home and away in every game unless air miles is their thing.

Ive started a petition on Gov. uk, asking that the 6 clubs be expelled

should we as pools fans really care. as a club and fans we have less in common to these clubs has a local ameteur dramatic company has to the west end theatre luvvies.

Surely all lovers of football should care, or are we insular

Well done!

We should care - it is all about the pyramid and hope/ and sadness.


Anyway, sod these greedy bastards - lets fight fire with fire and set up our own 'supa' league - Pools, Darlo, Spennymoor, York, Gateshead, Whitby, Seaton Holy Trinity, Morpeth, Billy Town, Den Bosch and Berwick (the latter two for international flavour) (Borer, Blunderland and the Plastic Penguins can join every third year in turn)................

Yes I agree let's start ignoring these clubs.

Thought id put a link on here to sign petition

It's on the " tonight's fixtures " thread............. just signed it!

its not about being insular but these 6 clubs have nothing whatsoever in common with any club or fans below championship level. there are hundreds of pro and semi pro clubs across the country where the euro league millions have no effect on them whatsoever. some even in normal times just live from week to week and a new shirt sponsorship deal is their big end of season news. doubt the whole thing will come off anyway in the end. so much opposition anyway even from fans of these clubs plus politicians are now on the case.

I’m disappointed with Pools. Surely the club should have put out a statement saying they would not join under any circumstances. Very poor in my view.

Jeff Stelling effectively did that yesterday on Twitter:
"Thank god I support a proper club. And not just mine, but all those clubs who treat their fans with respect, whose players still speak to their supporters , whose fans respect each other. Feel sorry for the fans of those six clubs who are viewed as worthless by their owners."

So if Liverpool back out of the European Super League the organisers will have to give Blackpool a go. Hartlepool is out!
(Not sure every Poolie will agree with Jeff that HUFC is a club that 'treat their fans with respect' but Poolies rarely agree on anything).

I think Jeff is incorrect, but I fully agree with his sentiment if that makes any sense.

We're not truly a fan run club, and at the end of the day our club is a business. However we're not a business like those clubs, were not propped up by TV deals, sponsors or by a couple million glory supporters in Asia. Our club exists because true, genuine fans support it.

The funniest part is after Boris Johnson said " Capitalism and Greed is the reason for the success of the UK vaccine campaign", he is now staging an objection to a plan that achieves the ultimate of his Greed culture.

The Pandemic is now bringing the worst out in a country with so many companies and institutions owned by foreigners, ironically.

Apparently Chelsea have dropped out already, so the whole thing is coming apart after less than 24 hours.

Man City have beaten them to the punch now!

Its all just a negotiating stance with the champions league but may backfire.

Pure farce is what it is.

was it ever a real starter anyway. could be a testing of the water to see what reactions there would be. somehow i can see the whole idea being brought up again after a few years. might not be even 5 years ahead but eventually the euro league will come into being. too much money around to stop it forever.

That's one interpretation. The other is that the owners of these clubs have been holding UEFA and their national leagues to ransom for years with the threat of setting up a breakaway league - it will now be seen as an empty threat that they didn't have the guts to through with in the face of so much opposition. If they trot out the same bollocks in 5 or 10 years time why would the outcome be any different?

The only pity is that now the status quo has been restored the Tories will likely lose interest in meaningful reform of club ownership and the structure of the game in this country.

I can't help thinking that there will be a backlash from this. The owners have been made to look silly and completely out of touch and it will be hurting. Obviously they have brought all this upon themselves by their actions and decisions.
However the question being asked is why they did it in the manner they adopted?
I too think it was simply an exercise to test the water, as their almost immediate u turn demonstrates.
They have established that their desire to generate more cash to finance the enormous bill of running a top club will not come from the source they wanted but will continue to be a drain on their own personal wealth.
The big question is will they bite the bullet and continue in the current manner or will they look elsewhere, or even walk away??
They have listened to the fans but will they now demand that the fans listen to them. Will they look for more contribution from the fans through increased ticket sales etc, saying if you want continuation of the current level of investment you have to take some of the burden, and when the fans whinge the answer to their whinging will be.....well we tried other means but you rejected them.
The most important thing we have to consider here is the people we are dealing with are hard nosed ruthless businessmen who now have egg on their faces and it has to be considered that their actions in this have been orchestrated as a means to an end. If it was just one set of owners we could apply the accolade......just a bunch of crackpots with a crackbrained notion of satisfying their greed.....but it isn't just one, it's a whole bunch of them.
They gave in too easily for me. Their sort don't do that.
More to come methinks.

just wonder how many fans are happy with the present type of club ownership and want no change in the structure of the game. the whole euro league arguement like everything nowadays has been so one sided. the impression that 100 per cent of the game including fans were against the euro league will be far from the truth. football as a whole possibly more than at any other time is looked at in different ways by different generations. doubt many teenagers look at it the same way as fans over 65 do. can see it be so much harder for fans now to get their kids following their local team with them than my father had with me. could not wait to get inside the vic. however it must be really hard now to get kids going to rochdale and wigan when all they hear about are teams with manchester in their name.

On top of that Uefa has continuously pushed and extended European football and has just published plans to further expand it. The only clubs European competition involves are the premiership clubs and even then it is only the elite few.
None of this hoohah affects clubs like us. When they use the term all football fans are against it they don't speak for me. I couldn't care less what the elite clubs do because whatever they do it won't be designed to benefit Pools. I would be more interested if more of the money English football generates was passed down our way.

I don't really give a toss about the euro league. It has no effect on Pools as far as i can see. I watch the occasional televised game and sometimes motd but don't really care whether it's top or bottom of the premiershit or Vladivostok against FC Wollongong. Just want to watch footy.

Perhaps if they effed off to their own league i could ignore them more easily. It's all just more guff to give more hangers on something to do media about.

John Barnes being interviewed on BBC 1 this morning. Spot on John with all your comments about this greed and greed only which started with the premier league threat and breakaway in 1992. As he said, the other premier league teams are only up in arms because they were not invited to the party but would have jumped at the chance had they been.

Just seen Peps reaction to Stones sending off. Football at the hightest level is clownish, a joke no different than 1970 wrestling. If the salary slaves to these clubs want to watch proper football then why not watch Pools, Arbroath or Bala Town. No shit here just commitment.

I think I'd rather watch Giant Haystacks fumble about with Kendo Nagasaki than anything from the premier league.

Ye proper Wrestling.
Loved the Big Daddy v Giant Haystacks bouts.
Rollerball Rocco
Pat Roach
Mcmanus etc.

I sometimes watch this nowadays USA comedy well rigged acting Wrestling.
Goin down 2 seconds bfor they been hit.
Plastic chairs getting smashed on heads while the camera goes off.
And the commentators are just as bad.

I'm sure Big Daddy fought in the Odeon late 70's early 80's.!

Could it have been at the Town Hall, as I saw a wrestling bill there, & I think Big Daddy was on it ?

I would like to see the owners of these clubs reign in their investments, reduce wages and bring the other less wealthy clubs towards them, therefore evening out the playing field.
They wouldn't need to complain about generating more money if they didn't pay the ridiculous wages they give to the so called stars they employ.
Also in a world where the environment has become a high priority why are these clubs wanting to make unnecessary flights across Europe, expending fuel and pollution, herding their huge encourages of fitness and nutritional coaches at al' with them, probably on extra planes....crazy.

the argument is, was there more play acting with them than with premier league players. they can shove that league .p jackie pallows arse for me. its years since i watched MOTD and be years till i watch the VAR show again if ever. the premier league, owners, managers and some of the players have been a curse on the game with wages even down to non league level proving difficult for clubs to pay just to compete at the level they are at. problem is so many have fallen for the hype created by the premier league and it must be really difficult for kids, the fans of the future, not to buy into it.

They have it easy, back in the 70's our baddies had to contend with old ladies wielding handbags with buckles .

Professional wrestling has always been rigged entertainment. When I was at school my gym teacher Mr Glasper was a pro wrestler, as Ray Diamond (when he was playing the good guy) and the White Angel (when he was the baddie). A few of us used to go and watch him wrestle at Spennymoor - the only time I saw a wrestler get hurt was when an old dear in the front seats stabbed one of Ray's opponents in the arse with a hat pin!