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Ever since I first saw her being interviewed on telly years ago I always thought she was an incredibly volatile individual. Really highly strung, and never too far away from completely losing her shit.

I reckon she will melt down spectacularly at some point in the next few days, she's obviously close to the edge given her statement tonight.

I reckon she will pick up that mace thing and try and take John Bercow's head off with it, but John McDonnell will wrestle her to the floor just in time.

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Not sure what's more embarrassing, Brexit or her dancing. At least we can laugh about Brexit.


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Quite a remarkable bit of telly wasn't it? It was like somebody told her that Trump randomly bollocking people seems to deflect the blame effectively for him and she thought, "Well, everything else seems to be failing I'll give it a bash." That weird stomping off at the end could only have been improved if she'd dropped a fart and then gone up a set of steps flicking the V sign over her shoulders like Sid Vicious in the 'My Way' video.


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Someone pointed out that Prime Ministers Twitter account has 5.4 million followers, that ‘speech’ had 444 likes!!

I’m surprised it was so many.

This is surely the worst government and opposition in history?


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Whats this Brexit thing......have i missed something.....is it a type of bee?

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She has done a magnificent job for those who voted remain, as has Parliament.
There must be a top choreographer involved.
They have sickened the leave voters to the point of despair and, now that the brexiteers have been worn down, they hope to achieve a people's vote which will finally vindicate their delaying tactics, causing us to remain in Europe.
Then if staying in the EU proves to be a disaster the politicians will blame the people's vote and if remaining is a success, the same politicians will take the credit.
Right from the start we have been played for puppets.
Will the EU welcome us back with open arms? They might but I reckon there will be a price to pay and it's ordinary folk that will pay it.

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The only people she's done a magnificent job for are the Tory grandees who gave her the job of carrying the can for the shit-storm triggered by Cameron. Another few days and they can replace her and try to brush the whole horrific mess under the carpet. After a while, she'll become Baron May as a thank you for services to the party.

You're dead right about the price to pay for the mess though. Whatever the exact nature is of the final outcome ordinary people will be footing the bill.


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Some Conservative party bigwig whose name I didn't even bother to read recently came out with a statement like "A long delay to Brexit is unthinkable; it could mean the death of the Conservative party."
Wow, that sounds like a national disaster of epic proportions. I can understand Joe Public's despair at the prospect.

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Bluestreak wrote:
Whats this Brexit thing.....have i missed something.....is it a type of bee?

its another endangered species.


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Some Conservative party bigwig whose name I didn't even bother to read recently came out with a statement like "A long delay to Brexit is unthinkable; it could mean the death of the Conservative party."
Wow, that sounds like a national disaster of epic proportions. I can understand Joe Public's despair at the prospect.


Long delay delay delay delay!!!

To be fair though it’s baffling to why the last two and half years haven’t been enough already....

Cadged off the social media;

“Another stupid BBC vox pop with one of those elderly Brexit voters, completely detached from reality, whose only argument is 'Why can't they just get on with it?' Oh wait, it was the Prime Minister ...”


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PJPoolie wrote:

Cadged off the social media;

“Another stupid BBC vox pop with one of those elderly Brexit voters, completely detached from reality, whose only argument is 'Why can't they just get on with it?' Oh wait, it was the Prime Minister ...”



Being ageist will get you nowhere - haven't you noticed, it's the 'senior citizens' who turn out and vote where a lot of young'uns can't be arsed.

I see Mrs Merkel has weighed in now backing what Tusk said last night - only a short extension is on offer from the EU and then only if Mrs May gets her deal through. Agree she is well on the way to stuffing that up the way she has everything else so what then - leave with no deal?


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It would be with deep personal regret that May takes us out without a deal.
It's a battle between the depth of her regret at driving us over the cliff or at jumping out of the car.

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She has done a magnificent job for those who voted remain, as has Parliament.
There must be a top choreographer involved.
They have sickened the leave voters to the point of despair and, now that the brexiteers have been worn down, they hope to achieve a people's vote which will finally vindicate their delaying tactics, causing us to remain in Europe.
Then if staying in the EU proves to be a disaster the politicians will blame the people's vote and if remaining is a success, the same politicians will take the credit.
Right from the start we have been played for puppets.
Will the EU welcome us back with open arms? They might but I reckon there will be a price to pay and it's ordinary folk that will pay it.


Right now, with what the EU have said about the request for an extension, no deal is more likely than a second referendum.

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 Post subject: Re: Treeza
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:42 pm 
Noticed this is gathering some serious momentum, for me the vote was had so just get on with it, despite the fact I voted remain.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Don't have a clue how it's likely to be achieved mind, suppose that's why we pay our taxes though...


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Well I can't believe that May has subjected herself to all the abuse and ridicule and everything else she has put herself through, without a good and calculated reason.
She's already lost two humiliating votes and just when there seems a glimmer of hope for her deal, she is winding the MPs up again.
There has got to be an ulterior motive, just got to be.
Nobody in their right mind behaves like that as the norm.
Leaving without a deal is and always has been a real outcome but there is a sting in this tail. All the plotting, planning, posturing and brinkmanship is continuing in the corridors of power and is increasing in tensity and it will continue to increase until whatever they have all agreed behind the scenes is enacted.
Deals are only rubber stamped around negotiating tables, they are negotiated in the corridors and back rooms. Smoke filled rooms as they used to be called.
I can only see losers at this moment in time, with us ordinary folk right at the top of the pile.

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 Post subject: Re: Treeza
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It's ok, Nigel Farage is walking to London, that will sort it all out.


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Valiant wrote:
She had a majority in Parliament and called a General Election when none was needed. Whose fault was it that she lost her majority ? Hers.
General Election was resounding rejection of her way of doing things so she should have realised there and then she needed to change tack Instead of reaching out to sympathetic Labour MP's she ignored them . She also made the decision not to make any preparation for No Deal.
Now attacking the very MP's she needs to support her deal. Absolutely clueless and unwilling to consider any opinion other than her own. Don't forget this is the woman who at her time at the Home Office slashed the number of bobbies on the beat but now denies it has had any impact on the rise of Knife crime despite very senior police officer at the Met saying it has !


The big question, Mr Valiant is why did she follow the course of decision making which you describe.
Think about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Treeza
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The big question, Mr Valiant is why did she follow the course of decision making which you describe.
Think about it.


Is the answer Luke Williams? Sure I saw him limping around parliament on a news report.


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It could be Luke Williams. At this stage nothing is ruled out.

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Well I can't believe that May has subjected herself to all the abuse and ridicule and everything else she has put herself through, without a good and calculated reason.
She's already lost two humiliating votes and just when there seems a glimmer of hope for her deal, she is winding the MPs up again.
There has got to be an ulterior motive, just got to be.
Nobody in their right mind behaves like that as the norm.
Leaving without a deal is and always has been a real outcome but there is a sting in this tail. All the plotting, planning, posturing and brinkmanship is continuing in the corridors of power and is increasing in tensity and it will continue to increase until whatever they have all agreed behind the scenes is enacted.
Deals are only rubber stamped around negotiating tables, they are negotiated in the corridors and back rooms. Smoke filled rooms as they used to be called.
I can only see losers at this moment in time, with us ordinary folk right at the top of the pile.


Ah, the old cock up or conspiracy question. There's no conspiracy here. She's just useless and has fucked up the whole process.

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The best way forward I think is to cancel article 50 now to avoid any chew, then book in another referendum for 6 months time or however long is statutorily needed.

Some people want May's deal, some want no deal, and some want to remain.

Therefore all three options should be on the paper. Then we would see exactly what the people want.

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The best way forward I think is to cancel article 50 now to avoid any chew, then book in another referendum for 6 months time or however long is statutorily needed.

Some people want May's deal, some want no deal, and some want to remain.

Therefore all three options should be on the paper. Then we would see exactly what the people want.


The way it’s gone so far I wouldn’t be surprised if that ended up 33%, 33%, 33% (spoiled ballots taking the remaining 1% for the maths fans). :doh:


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The starting point was no deal. The referendum was stay or go, there was no conditions on either option.

It's been a complete waste of time trying to get 27 countries, no scrub that , France and Germany to give us anything at all.

If in fact I didn't know that they were trying to do anything at all except save their political careers I'd be asking why didn't they work on the no deal scenario two years ago.

This is one where they can't kick the can down the street until they get voted out and blame the incoming Government. It shows how much British politics stinks.


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Pooliekel wrote:
The starting point was no deal


Deals weren’t even mentioned, leaving the EU without any sort of trade deal certainly wasn’t. If it was it would have harmed the leave campaign as all of the economic forecasts point at a shrinking economy and who would actually vote for that? The leave campaign stuck with wild speculations and outright lies that suited several different layers of self interest.

If that was a starting point the result would have been different.


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We are we're we are... I'm just gonna get the popcorn out and live my best life.


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PJPoolie wrote:

Deals weren’t even mentioned, leaving the EU without any sort of trade deal certainly wasn’t. If it was it would have harmed the leave campaign as all of the economic forecasts point at a shrinking economy and who would actually vote for that? The leave campaign stuck with wild speculations and outright lies that suited several different layers of self interest.

If that was a starting point the result would have been different.


They haven’t even started talking about the trade deal yet.

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We are we're we are... I'm just gonna get the popcorn out and live my best life.

Why have popcorn when you can have a Heron frozen donner kebab?


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poolieinnottingham wrote:
The best way forward I think is to cancel article 50 now to avoid any chew, then book in another referendum for 6 months time or however long is statutorily needed.

Some people want May's deal, some want no deal, and some want to remain.

Therefore all three options should be on the paper. Then we would see exactly what the people want.



Nonsense. The in/out vote has been cast. The only questions that should be on a second vote is to choose between no deal and May's deal.


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My conspiracy theories are right. I know a bloke who lives in Brussels and he knows a couple of fellas who know what's going on cos they play for the same darts team as Tusk.
He said he'd read the bunker and it was the right place to get a good bite. I said Naaaaah, nobody's that daft but he insisted. Silly bugger.
He's a friend of Marco Van Bustop. Now I've never heard of him, although there's something nagging away at me.
If i get the chance I'll have another word and get back as soon as I can.
I really hope he'll pester somebody else now.

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yloop wrote:
We are we're we are... I'm just gonna get the popcorn out and live my best life.


I agree I have the popcorn out with a clear conscience.

Revoking article 50, and people’s votes are fundamentally wrong if we purport to live in a democracy. We had a vote which to leave or remain in the EU, leave won. Those who brought about the referendum and put in such simplistic terms without detailing the complexity of the issue because they didn’t grasp the overall feeling of apathy and didn’t think for a minute it would go against them shall forever have to live with the consequences.

One positive that it has highlighted though is that our current way of governing our country is no longer fit for purpose. It’s time to stop having to choose between shit and shite.


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Pooliekel wrote:

It's been a complete waste of time trying to get 27 countries, no scrub that , France and Germany to give us anything at all.



Nope. The issue is with the Irish border and the backstop; it's Ireland that is digging its heels in. If May had offered any deal that did not lead to a hard Irish border, it would have been accepted and we'd be leaving as planned. The problem is that most of the tories would not have accepted such a deal (although I suspect a majority of the commons would have), and May has put her party (like Cameron) before common sense. And the idea that the EU has been the problem, when May has been totally useless in the negotiations, is just blinkered nationalism. The sort of nationalism that started this whole sorry mess.

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Treeza shows open disdain for parliament, invents a new meaning of meaningful, sets herself up as the only person in the country whose ideas are worth considering, and in the same breath talks about upholding democracy.
If the whole British government system wasn't broken and ready for the scrapheap, the first move after the referendum before even considering triggering A50 would have been to hold debates on Brexit options, possibly selecting two of them to go back to the people with.
Instead, at every step of the way, the government has proven itself to be a totally valueless self-centred shitpile.

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is actually anything else happening in the country now. is the NHS fine and has knife crime been stopped throughout the land. this brexit thing has certainly covered up stuff thats really important for me over the last 12 months or so.


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Judging by the competence level of this government, it might be just as well the other issues aren't being addressed.

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Watching the Tory Party finally implode will be some compensation. They seem to have forgotten their basic mission - doing whatever it takes to stay in power. It's hard to see how they can avoid a massive split however this turns out.


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And yet millions of working class people vote for the Tories who then shaft them. But I suppose it makes them feel a cut above the rest of us?

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It's ok, Nigel Farage is walking to London, that will sort it all out.

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4 hours 4 minutes... surely not, read elsewhere it could be done in half an hour?!


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PJPoolie wrote:
Someone pointed out that Prime Ministers Twitter account has 5.4 million followers, that ‘speech’ had 444 likes!!

I’m surprised it was so many.

This is surely the worst government and opposition in history?




Farage and Batten must be laughing all the way PJ ??


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Farage and Batten must be laughing all the way PJ ??


What are you on about now? You are like the eccentric bloke in the corner of the pub who everyone gives a wide berth to because you just shout random words every once in the a while.

Farage and Batten are an irrelevance neither have ever even been MP’s. UKIP are finished now they aren’t even pretending that they aren’t racist anymore you know when you’re finished when Farage is embarrassed to be still associated with you.

Farage has provided plenty of laughs at least this week with his cringeworthy walk that he charged people £50 a pop to join and hardly anyone did (they had to restrict numbers to 200 for ‘security reasons’ :laugh: :laugh: But a no stage did even 200 turn up.) The man is a chancer pure and simple it’s hilarious these comical threats to return to front line politics and this time ‘no more Mr nice guy’. A) When has the odious twat ever been considered a nice guy by anyone? and B) He’s never in his life been involved in front line politics, he stood to be an MP 7 times and lost every single time. Why he gets the airtime in beyond me. That ‘led by Donkeys’ thing following him around playing clips on a big screen of him bullshitting and telling outright lies has also been comedy Gold.


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Farage and Batten must be laughing all the way PJ ??

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys/st ... 3294196737

Oh aye, he's pissing himsen

Five grand, straight in his sky rocket, I hope he's informed the HMRC


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He did his bit for the country a few years ago Talbot ,nothing more..


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Is that Talbot and PJ on bob's boat 1 min in ?? :laugh:


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He did his bit for the country a few years ago Talbot ,nothing more..



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"May said the Government would vote against the indicative votes amendments as she believed they would set an "unwelcome precedent" where Parliament could overrule the government."

Excuse me but could someone explain to me what is the fucking point of parliament in that case?

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That annoying thing where you actually need a majority backing you in parliament to govern effectively doesn't quite seem to have sunk in does it?


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Montpoolier wrote:
"May said the Government would vote against the indicative votes amendments as she believed they would set an "unwelcome precedent" where Parliament could overrule the government."

Excuse me but could someone explain to me what is the fucking point of parliament in that case?


Lord Hailsham, back in 1979 (when in opposition, it must be said) nailed it when he described our system as an elective dictatorship. Parliament is there to do the bidding of the executive (in our system), and usually does. We have a very weak understanding of the separation of powers.

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Someone with views as abhorrent as Enoch Powell was probably born in the wrong era he’d probably seem quite a nice fella compared to the likes of Johnson, Raab, Rees-Mogg and Gove. He’d be right in the leadership mix.


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You don't live here and sit on your backside most days PJ ..Why would mass immigration into the UK bother you ??


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