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I can’t remember us having a female ref for a Pools game at the Vic before so that’s a bit of history today and the fact this is one of the few games were I haven’t seen references to how bad the ref was suggests she had a good game.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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Actually, she did.

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Few poor decisions like the free kick which led to their goal and the penalty decision. No idea how she didn’t send the lad off as she gave the foul against the defender and not the keeper so therefore he was the last man.

But she actually let the game flow and was easily the best official I’ve seen this season.


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Few poor decisions like the free kick which led to their goal and the penalty decision. No idea how she didn’t send the lad off as she gave the foul against the defender and not the keeper so therefore he was the last man.

But she actually let the game flow and was easily the best official I’ve seen this season.


Her decision was correct as the rule now is a yellow card if a penalty is given and the foul was deemed as a genuine attempt to get the ball. They got rid of the double punishment when it’s in the box a couple of years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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She had a cracking game

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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PJPoolie wrote:
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Few poor decisions like the free kick which led to their goal and the penalty decision. No idea how she didn’t send the lad off as she gave the foul against the defender and not the keeper so therefore he was the last man.

But she actually let the game flow and was easily the best official I’ve seen this season.


Her decision was correct as the rule now is a yellow card if a penalty is given and the foul was deemed as a genuine attempt to get the ball. They got rid of the double punishment when it’s in the box a couple of years ago.


Her decision was not correct as it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball IMO.

It was a foul on James for sure before that, I'm not sure it was a foul on Nicke but it couldn't of been an attempt to play the ball.

I thought she dithered a fair bit on the penalty too and waited for the lino to give it so she didn't have to.

Was a few yellow cards she missed too, one on Donaldson in particular. I thought the game passed her by a bit and never thought she was in charge of it. That said was an improvement on some of the refs we have had this season.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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From where I was I thought the kabamba booking was a bit harsh, in fact didn’t even think it was a foul


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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She did OK, better than many of her male counterparts who have mismanaged games at the Vic this season - it was far from a perfect performance 6.5/10. However I have nothing but admiration for the lass for making the grade in the tough world of mens pro football.


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She did OK, better than many of her male counterparts who have mismanaged games at the Vic this season - it was far from a perfect performance 6.5/10. However I have nothing but admiration for the lass for making the grade in the tough world of mens pro football.


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She did OK, better than many of her male counterparts who have mismanaged games at the Vic this season - it was far from a perfect performance 6.5/10. However I have nothing but admiration for the lass for making the grade in the tough world of mens pro football.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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What were her tits like???? Asking for a friend....Ripper!!!! :-D :wink:


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What were her tits like???? Asking for a friend....Ripper!!!! :-D :wink:


They ran the line well bbolt

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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A bloke next to me, when mizz welch was having a friendly word with one of their lads, said he was a lip reader and reckons he asked her if she was courtin’


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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Overall i thought she had a good game and her presence see to subdue some of the OTT appeals players make.
Overall good performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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Can I reiterate Mutleys question... another friend asking.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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Can I reiterate Mutleys question... another friend asking.


I could be wrong on this, But i think she could be someone,s
Daughter.

And she had a decent game.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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unruly poolie wrote:
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Few poor decisions like the free kick which led to their goal and the penalty decision. No idea how she didn’t send the lad off as she gave the foul against the defender and not the keeper so therefore he was the last man.

But she actually let the game flow and was easily the best official I’ve seen this season.


Her decision was correct as the rule now is a yellow card if a penalty is given and the foul was deemed as a genuine attempt to get the ball. They got rid of the double punishment when it’s in the box a couple of years ago.


Her decision was not correct as it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball IMO.

It was a foul on James for sure before that, I'm not sure it was a foul on Nicke but it couldn't of been an attempt to play the ball.

I thought she dithered a fair bit on the penalty too and waited for the lino to give it so she didn't have to.
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Have to completely disagree with that assessment. She had the whistle to her mouth immediately but allowed the move to develop to see if Kabamba was going to score, once he was fouled too she blew for the penalty.

The yellow card for the penalty was the correct call too. Was an excellent piece of refereeing.

She did get the Kabamba challenge wrong IMO but did very little wrong otherwise

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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For clarification, she gave the penalty against their keeper after James had nipped in and clipped the ball away from him, not for the challenge on Kabamba.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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Saying that, the keeper never got a card so maybe I'm wrong :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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PJPoolie wrote:
I can’t remember us having a female ref for a Pools game at the Vic before so that’s a bit of history today and the fact this is one of the few games were I haven’t seen references to how bad the ref was suggests she had a good game.


She actually did okay and got some important decesions spot on, Ive only ever seen Woman's linesman at this level and once or twice when we where in league 2.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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misterb2001 wrote:
Saying that, the keeper never got a card so maybe I'm wrong :laugh:



Yesssss i revoke what i said to PJ!! Eveeyone around me and my dad screamed red. But hey we scored, I was suprised to see hawkes take the penalty i would off give it To Kabamba,


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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She missed a blatant yellow card for Donaldson and Kabambas was never a booking in a million years. She got the penalty decision spot on and as someone else said above - she had whistle to her mouth and let it go on to see if Kabamba scored. Also agree it shouldnt be a red under the rules.

I seem to think she missed an obvious penalty to them in the second half but cant remember the incident now to be honest.

There did seem to be a lot less challenging of decisions and shouting etc towards her than any other referee we have had which was good to see, players just seemed to accept what she was giving.

Overall if she was a bloke I doubt anyone would have started a thread about the referees performance to be honest but saying that she was up there with some of the best we have had in this league and the game flowed pretty well.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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These are the facts

https://www.soccerway.com/matches/2019/ ... c/2817734/

Rob Atkinson was booked around the time of the penalty incident.

He wears the number 29 shirt (via Livescore)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYip-6WNWFc

Here is the footage (2.45) of no. 29 tangling with Kimbambe after James puts the ball across

Oh but she gave the penalty for a foul on James and waited to see if Nicke put it in..................


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unruly poolie wrote:
These are the facts

https://www.soccerway.com/matches/2019/ ... c/2817734/

Rob Atkinson was booked around the time of the penalty incident.

He wears the number 29 shirt (via Livescore)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYip-6WNWFc

Here is the footage (2.45) of no. 29 tangling with Kimbambe after James puts the ball across

Oh but she gave the penalty for a foul on James and waited to see if Nicke put it in..............


Or maybe she thought the keeper fouled him, gave advantage to see if we scored (as she put whistle to her lips) and then after seeing the second foul, does she not have a decision as to which foul she gives the penalty for? Second one is the one which is more of a blatant goal scoring opportunity?

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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I am not 100% sure so wouldn't like to speculate but a penalty is a penalty one cant be more of a penalty than the other.

But (if you are right) how is it a yellow card?

"A player who denies an obvious goal scoring opportunity inside his own penalty area will NOT now be sent off if the referee considers he has made a genuine attempt to play the ball!"

So by any definition a push in the back on Kimbambe cannot be a genuine attempt to play the ball.


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Maybe he was booked for dissent? All reports of read say penalty was for foul on James?

One report even said James fell over himself.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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I'm not interested on what people in the press box who were further away than me say (one of which clearly didn't see the incident as they said it wasn't a foul), the evidence clearly doesn't back them up.

The yellow could of been for dissent but I doubt that as it would be very coincidental and I didn't see many of their players around the ref.

BTW On the point of hesitation you can clearly see on this video how long it takes her to give it

http://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/mat ... /1-3614093


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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unruly poolie wrote:

BTW On the point of hesitation you can clearly see on this video how long it takes her to give it

http://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/mat ... /1-3614093



Im not bothered how long it took her, whether she conferred with her assistant or not or whether she simply took her time in making the decision.

She got it right.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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It wasn't a push the Braintree lad tries to clear the ball with his right foot and kicks Kabamba. Penalty and yellow card is the correct decision.


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BTW On the point of hesitation you can clearly see on this video how long it takes her to give it

http://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/mat ... /1-3614093



Im not bothered how long it took her, whether she conferred with her assistant or not or whether she simply took her time in making the decision.

She got it right.



So you said she didn't hesitate now I show you she did you are not bothered?

You say it was the correct decision despite many discrepancies I have identified.

Its almost like you are willfully ignoring the evidence in front of you


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But you have said it was a push and it clearly wasn't so the yellow card is correct however it was arrived at!


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But you have said it was a push and it clearly wasn't so the yellow card is correct however it was arrived at!


You knew it was correct before you had seen it


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But you have said it was a push and it clearly wasn't so the yellow card is correct however it was arrived at!


You knew it was correct before you had seen it



I have never even commented on it until I'd seen it what are you talking about!?


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Few poor decisions like the free kick which led to their goal and the penalty decision. No idea how she didn’t send the lad off as she gave the foul against the defender and not the keeper so therefore he was the last man.

But she actually let the game flow and was easily the best official I’ve seen this season.


Her decision was correct as the rule now is a yellow card if a penalty is given and the foul was deemed as a genuine attempt to get the ball. They got rid of the double punishment when it’s in the box a couple of years ago.


I assumed you hadn't seen it when you said this?

You must of seen it and still called it wrong!


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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Proof if ever needed that our fans will argue about absolutely anything, win, lose or draw.


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unruly poolie wrote:
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Few poor decisions like the free kick which led to their goal and the penalty decision. No idea how she didn’t send the lad off as she gave the foul against the defender and not the keeper so therefore he was the last man.

But she actually let the game flow and was easily the best official I’ve seen this season.


Her decision was correct as the rule now is a yellow card if a penalty is given and the foul was deemed as a genuine attempt to get the ball. They got rid of the double punishment when it’s in the box a couple of years ago.


I assumed you hadn't seen it when you said this?

You must of seen it and still called it wrong!



All I was saying to the person who posted is the rule about last man has changed, I wasn't commenting specifically on the incident as I hadn't seen itt he big hint was me using the word 'if'.


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Not sure about that like, but I am glad you are agreeing she didn't get it right now


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unruly poolie wrote:
tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
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BTW On the point of hesitation you can clearly see on this video how long it takes her to give it

http://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/mat ... /1-3614093



Im not bothered how long it took her, whether she conferred with her assistant or not or whether she simply took her time in making the decision.

She got it right.



So you said she didn't hesitate now I show you she did you are not bothered?


When did I say she didnt hesitate?

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I'm not she did get the decision right. Can't you read are you just choosing not to?

It was a penalty, the yellow card was correct as well as the defender tries to clear the ball with his swinging right foot (an attempt to play it) but catches Kabamba which is a foul.


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Glad you can see him swinging his foot from the youtube video as I cant.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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Yes what are you watching on, a potato? He doesn't actually see Kabamba until he makes contact with him, the contact is from his lower body/legs as he trying to clear the ball it's not a professional foul were he's pushed him in the back with his arms. It's not a red card.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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I reckon the defender knows Kabamba is there, realises he is no way gonna get to the ball first and takes him out with a haymaker of a leg swipe.
Penalty and what ever card is in the rules these days for last man cynical so called professional foul.

All this assuming she played on from the infringement on Luke.

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Nothing wrong with having a good old think about a situation and coming to the right decision. Certainly don't think it was a clear enough cynical foul for a Red card though.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebecca Welch
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There is nothing wrong with refs hesitating.
If it helps make the correct decision whats wrong with that?
They are humans not machines...................honest :liar:

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Didnt notice the first 4 or 5 times i watched it but its lucky their keeper didnt do any lasting damage to James with the way he dived in feet first and out of control.

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One of the best refereeing performances of the season; credit to her.

And I was delighted to NOT hear any sexist abuse from the area where I was standing.....................


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