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New host , Fiona Bruce :wink: I know some on here would of preferred Carol Kirkwood, but certainly an improvement of David fookin Dimbleby. Putting the aesthetics to one side for a moment, I think Victoria Derbyshire would of been spot on, she seems a right narky so and so on her morning show, pulls no punches with the wafflers and bullshitters.


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Victoria Derbyshire isn't a bad shout Ron. Other than that its difficult to pick anyone else from the BBC as they're so left wing biased,


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Fiona Bruce is an establishment figure who will fit in well in this dire stage managed show.
Yes Victoria Derbyshire would be better if it was a serious attempt at letting the people question our leading political representatives (and the odd hanger on) but surely that makes the clear case that this role should have been offered to Carol Kirkwood and we could spend the hour its broadcast with the "mute" button firmly on!

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Victoria Derbyshire isn't a bad shout Ron. Other than that its difficult to pick anyone else from the BBC as they're so left wing biased,


:laugh: And here's me thinking it was the other way around John :roll:

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Victoria Derbyshire isn't a bad shout Ron. Other than that its difficult to pick anyone else from the BBC as they're so left wing biased,


Ho ho ho

Like Andrew Marr and Andrew Neil

Come on you cant seriosuly suggest that the BBC news department has a left wing bias when Laura Kuenssberg is the political correspondent


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Nobody would hear the questions. :drool:


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Victoria Derbyshire isn't a bad shout Ron. Other than that its difficult to pick anyone else from the BBC as they're so left wing biased,


Often amuses me the numbers of people on Twitter complaining about right wing bias of the bbc. I usually point people to twitter accounts set up to highlight left wing bias. Given no-one is happy I guess the bbc are doing something right!


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Carol Kirkwood is balanced to the left and right.

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Unmissable once. Avoid it now.
Just out of interest, why do they have to stick some gobshite comedian on every week?

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Unmissable once. Avoid it now.
Just out of interest, why do they have to stick some gobshite comedian on every week?

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Unmissable once. Avoid it now.
Just out of interest, why do they have to stick some gobshite comedian on every week?


God knows......probably because a lot of people think singers/actor/comedians have some more knowledge than the rest of us :laugh:
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Just out of interest, why do they have to stick some gobshite comedian on every week?


Same here, may give it another go under Bruce. Dimbledy boiled my piss. Agree about the comedian, in fact why is the panel made up of any 6 people from what appears to be a group of around 50 people, in a country with 65 million people. Same people all the time.

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I think she may grow into, she needs to growl now and again to keep everyone in line


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The girl Bruce did well I thought. More measured and less shouty.
Wtf is that programme afterwards with that prick Andrew Neill though... horrifically unfunny despite trying desperately hard.


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The girl Bruce did well I thought. More measured and less shouty.
Wtf is that programme afterwards with that prick Andrew Neill though... horrifically unfunny despite trying desperately hard.


Let’s have a fight, Owen jones versus Andrew neill, very heated indeed.


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Unmissable once. Avoid it now.
Just out of interest, why do they have to stick some gobshite comedian on every week?


Same here, may give it another go under Bruce. Dimbledy boiled my piss. Agree about the comedian, in fact why is the panel made up of any 6 people from what appears to be a group of around 50 people, in a country with 65 million people. Same people all the time.

Have you noticed the ‘comedians’ usually consist of some of the ‘new wave’ who appeared in the early 90’s to get rid of the old guard, have been around longer than those they replaced. Be nice to have some normal people on.

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QT became unwatchable as soon as they started putting minor celebrities on as panelists.

Eddie Izzard's hopeless first appearance should have put them off, but no doubt it generated lots of social media traffic.


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Unmissable once. Avoid it now.
Just out of interest, why do they have to stick some gobshite comedian on every week?


Same here, may give it another go under Bruce. Dimbledy boiled my piss. Agree about the comedian, in fact why is the panel made up of any 6 people from what appears to be a group of around 50 people, in a country with 65 million people. Same people all the time.

Have you noticed the ‘comedians’ usually consist of some of the ‘new wave’ who appeared in the early 90’s to get rid of the old guard, have been around longer than those they replaced. Be nice to have some normal people on.


Yes. Would be nice to see some young people on it to be fair. The whole thing is crusty, and we're now crusties ourselves, but its the young people who are going to inherit the shit the crusties have left them, so would be nice to hear what they have to say about it this neo-liberal, rampant capitalism, racist hell hole that is now the UK. Its more difficult than usual for older people to find work now, yet tv it seems remains the preserve of the middle aged.

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If they start inviting young people on the Tories will go berserk about left-wing bias. There are virtually no young Conservatives left and the party's biggest group of donors is dead people so they'd probably demand some corpses with blue rosettes to add 'balance'. Having said that, I'd rather watch a line up of rotting Tory stiffs than most of the current regular guests.


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Seagull, Seagull, Seagull. wrote:
The girl Bruce did well I thought. More measured and less shouty.
Wtf is that programme afterwards with that prick Andrew Neill though... horrifically unfunny despite trying desperately hard.


Let’s have a fight, Owen jones versus Andrew neill, very heated indeed.


Yes Owen Jones had a good pop at Neil and said something about antisemitism and the Spectator mag that Neil seems to be involved with and did not want to discuss.....juicy

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Have you noticed the ‘comedians’ usually consist of some of the ‘new wave’ who appeared in the early 90’s to get rid of the old guard, have been around longer than those they replaced. Be nice to have some normal people on.

I haven't seen a British stand-up comedy act for at least a decade. Last time I did, the sole humouristic device seemed to be to squeeze the word "fucking" as many times as possible into two minutes. A sort of audible punctuation.
Probably R C Brown's fault.

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Unmissable once. Avoid it now.
Just out of interest, why do they have to stick some gobshite comedian on every week?

same as me snowy. have not watched it for 18 month now and the caliber of politician they seem to get seem worse than it used to be. the so called gobshite comedians that used to be on could hardly be called comedians if they were supposed to be funny and make you laugh.


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If they start inviting young people on the Tories will go berserk about left-wing bias. There are virtually no young Conservatives left and the party's biggest group of donors is dead people so they'd probably demand some corpses with blue rosettes to add 'balance'. Having said that, I'd rather watch a line up of rotting Tory stiffs than most of the current regular guests.


There's plenty of young Tories Mr T. It's just that they are in the woodwork at the moment, as they are embarassed by their elders.
I used to be a fan of QT but, like others, gave it up for similar reasons. Might give it another look.

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I'm sure you're right in terms of general politics Mr Derwent, thought I'd read that the actual Young Conservatives had pretty much folded because of lack of members though. That has to be where they trawl for the strange looking audience members who ask planted questions while pretending to be ordinary people.


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https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/torie ... ation-gap/

Young Tory membership is indeed on its arse, as the youth of the country don't want to associate with their outdated policies.

Its only the older generation with their fetish to be ruled by Etonians and born to rule donkey fuckers that are keeping them in power


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Have you noticed the ‘comedians’ usually consist of some of the ‘new wave’ who appeared in the early 90’s to get rid of the old guard, have been around longer than those they replaced. Be nice to have some normal people on.

I haven't seen a British stand-up comedy act for at least a decade. Last time I did, the sole humouristic device seemed to be to squeeze the word "fucking" as many times as possible into two minutes. A sort of audible punctuation.
Probably R C Brown's fault.

Most of the stand up ‘comedians’ on offer on TV are graduates who relay their experience with their cat and it’s diet or other such dreary detached from reality tosh and their audience soak it up.
Basically they’re telling unfunny monologues to an audience of people just like them.

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Have you noticed the ‘comedians’ usually consist of some of the ‘new wave’ who appeared in the early 90’s to get rid of the old guard, have been around longer than those they replaced. Be nice to have some normal people on.

I haven't seen a British stand-up comedy act for at least a decade. Last time I did, the sole humouristic device seemed to be to squeeze the word "fucking" as many times as possible into two minutes. A sort of audible punctuation.
Probably R C Brown's fault.

Most of the stand up ‘comedians’ on offer on TV are graduates who relay their experience with their cat and it’s diet or other such dreary detached from reality tosh and their audience soak it up.
Basically they’re telling unfunny monologues to an audience of people just like them.


Modern day life Snowy, both comedians and their audiences ,essentially boring , straight down the line, compliant, non controversial people pretending that they are anything but.

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They seem to have formed their own little twee world. Sometimes it would be nice to go back to some of the horrible, dangerous but funny places I’ve worked and take them with me and see the shock on their faces. :laugh: :laugh:

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Aye, lets have loads of jokes about niggers, pakis, queers and homos

And while we are at it, let's have good old fashioned entertainers on the Beeb , good ones who never crossed the line with swears and smut, but still took the time to fuck kids through their non stop charity work


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Aye, lets have loads of jokes about niggers, pakis, queers and homos

And while we are at it, let's have good old fashioned entertainers on the Beeb , good ones who never crossed the line with swears and smut, but still took the time to fuck kids through their non stop charity work


Well if that’s what you like, that’s up to you.
I must register my disapproval however. :roll:

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I had no intention of watching QT last night but stumbled across it just as it was starting. I thought I'd give it five or ten minutes just out of curiosity and to see how Fiona Bruce got on. I ended up watching the full programme and I'll probably give it another couple of goes.
The main reason I kept it on was because I noticed Diane Abbott was on.
Is that woman really a potential Foreign Secretary??? Really is she???
Totally out of her depth.
Every now and again I caught Fiona looking at her and the total contempt for Abbott was there for all to see.
As well as that Abbott's contribution was desperate and full of absolute waffle. So much so that I can't remember anything worthwhile that she said. I really can't.
I started to imagine the bold Diane negotiating on our behalf as Foreign Secretary and I started to shudder. Can you imagine it?????
Immediately I poured myself a stiff glass of Malt Whiskey (Dalwhinnie) and after drinking it took myself off to bed and cried myself to sleep.
Please God never let it happen, at least not until I have knocked on your door.

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Jeremy Hunt :laugh: is the current post holder and Boris Johnson before.

Is she worst than Boris?..........no score draw for me.

I do take your point she is not equipped for any senior ministerial role and why she holds this shadow post i can only speculate.

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why she holds this shadow post i can only speculate.


Corbyn's ex-girlfriend, probably a few dodgy photos in her handbag.


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I had no intention of watching QT last night but stumbled across it just as it was starting. I thought I'd give it five or ten minutes just out of curiosity and to see how Fiona Bruce got on. I ended up watching the full programme and I'll probably give it another couple of goes.
The main reason I kept it on was because I noticed Diane Abbott was on.
Is that woman really a potential Foreign Secretary??? Really is she???
Totally out of her depth.
Every now and again I caught Fiona looking at her and the total contempt for Abbott was there for all to see.
As well as that Abbott's contribution was desperate and full of absolute waffle. So much so that I can't remember anything worthwhile that she said. I really can't.
I started to imagine the bold Diane negotiating on our behalf as Foreign Secretary and I started to shudder. Can you imagine it?????
Immediately I poured myself a stiff glass of Malt Whiskey (Dalwhinnie) and after drinking it took myself off to bed and cried myself to sleep.
Please God never let it happen, at least not until I have knocked on your door.


Yep ! one person Diane Abbot , a good reason to keep the tories in power. sctatchinghead

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I had no intention of watching QT last night but stumbled across it just as it was starting. I thought I'd give it five or ten minutes just out of curiosity and to see how Fiona Bruce got on. I ended up watching the full programme and I'll probably give it another couple of goes.
The main reason I kept it on was because I noticed Diane Abbott was on.
Is that woman really a potential Foreign Secretary??? Really is she???
Totally out of her depth.
Every now and again I caught Fiona looking at her and the total contempt for Abbott was there for all to see.
As well as that Abbott's contribution was desperate and full of absolute waffle. So much so that I can't remember anything worthwhile that she said. I really can't.
I started to imagine the bold Diane negotiating on our behalf as Foreign Secretary and I started to shudder. Can you imagine it?????
Immediately I poured myself a stiff glass of Malt Whiskey (Dalwhinnie) and after drinking it took myself off to bed and cried myself to sleep.
Please God never let it happen, at least not until I have knocked on your door.


Yep ! one person Diane Abbot , a good reason to keep the tories in power. sctatchinghead


You obviously are not aware of it but one person can do an awful lot of damage but seeing as you have invited more I'll give you them.
Along with Abbott, I'll give you Corbyn, McDonnell, Watson, Starmer and of course the entire bunch who call themselves Momentum.
Tony Benn's lad will do us all a favour and expose them all for what they are.
However I'll also correct you on another point.
The fact that the Tories are in power and will stay in power is BECAUSE of the people I've mentioned.
Hard left Governments are not wanted in this country and thanks to you and these loony left we are stuck with Tories.
One day you'll wake up and realise this.
The sad thing is that we both really want the same and that is to see the back of the Tories but your bunch seem hell bent on keeping them in.
Just remember this.......in order to change things you need a Parliamentary majority. Idealism on it's own won't do it.

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Good post Derwent. Not only is Diane Abbott out of her depth (especially with home office matters) she is also a racist. The list of people Corbyn met up with but will not speak to May beggars belief. The recognised Labour Party was taken over some time ago. And however you voted in The Referendum original and only binding one was a result albeit not huge was won by the leave voters. The vote was not about "we didn't know what we voted for". It was simple a vote to leave or stay. Even Abbott would probably understand that or on reflection., maybe not. Now it's no longer a referendum but a "people's vote." Essentially its people who lost not accepting the result which was totally unexpected and unwanted by Cameron and many in the state. Having lost, and seeing vested interests in Europe threatened they show their true colours. Yesterday, I was harrangued by some individual in a town centre be-splendid with blue hat sporting gold stars who informed me that Cornwall and indeed GB is part of Europe. It was always part of Europe I replied before we went into this Common Market, EEC totally undemocratic institution that is known as The EU. And on a final note. Members of the European Parliament are to receive the equivalent of £4,000 expenses per month and don't have to submit invoices about how they spend the money. Now why couldn't I get a job where that happened?


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It was a vote to leave or stay but the complexity and full ramifications of leaving were never even began to be explained and the entire campaign was built on lies by self interested Tories wanting to progress up the leadership ladder who never thought for a second that the campaign would actually win, it’s why most of these cretins have sloped into the background since. Even they know Brexit is a ridiculous notion and staying in the EU hugely better for our economy and national security.

As for the current Labour Party’s leadership it cannot be fit for purpose if the general feeling is that they probably wouldn’t win an election against this vile government who have descended our country into farce and ridicule. 80% of his own party aren’t behind Corbyn, I have nothing against him as a man but him being leader of the Labour Party right now is doing our country no favours whatsover.


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Perhaps the 52% vote to leave was simply a protest vote against the all the political parties/groups of all persuasions that proport to represent us that many in this country have completely lost faith in. i.e we hate you greedy privilaged twats.
But should you have ever give "the people" this decision to make as we elect our MPs to represent us and make these complex big decisions.

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It never should have been a public vote, the people who voted aren’t to blame on either side even the shouty Gammon ones but people like David Cameron should have criminal negligence charges thrown at them and the likes of Farage and Johnson perjury and treason. These self serving twats have brought us here.


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Cameron did it to appease his Eurosceptic back benchers. He never thought for one minute that the people would vote leave. He also said that whatever the will of the people was he would get behind that will and deliver it. It took him about ten minutes to walk away and leave someone else with the poisoned chalice.
The whole bunch of them should be dead and buried by now but the fear of the Marxist left is keeping them in power.

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Diane Abbot is an amazing women. She is everything that is great about Britain she was born to working class immigrant parents. She managed to attend Cambridge University as a black women in the early 1970s this cannot be underestimated. Whilst I agree she is not the best person to represent labour on question time. She is so unfairly targeted by the right wing press and clearly some people struggle to see a successful black women in such a high power position. Boris Johnson has made countless gaffs, miscalculations and racist gaffs but he is a lovelable rogue and Diane Abbot is dangerous. She doesn't appear to have a problem with her constituency where she extended her margin to 35 thousand votes at the last election.

I have seen no reference on here to Bruce using incorrect polls to humiliate Abbbot saying Labour are miles behind in the polls: which isn't true or that a question time producer has been sharing far right material on his Facebook page.


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Agree with PJ and Derwent surely this must be looked into in the future and these people need to be held to account even if its just that their real involvement is written in the history books.

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If she is not the best person to represent labour on QT why would she be the best person to be foreign secretary or any other important position in our country.
It is not in question that she achieved against the odds status in getting into Cambridge.
As far as the country is concerned the whole point is she just isn't capable.
We have to compete on the World stage, not just on the QT stage.

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Being a smarmy twat on question time and being foreign secretary are 2 different jobs last time I looked?

You not liking her and the whole country not liking her are also 2 different things.

Chris Grayling is one of the most incompetent morons on the planet and he is actually in a job that he can do damage where is the uproar about him?

Also see Jeremy Hunt.


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unruly poolie wrote:
Being a smarmy twat on question time and being foreign secretary are 2 different jobs last time I looked?

You not liking her and the whole country not liking her are also 2 different things.

Chris Grayling is one of the most incompetent morons on the planet and he is actually in a job that he can do damage where is the uproar about him?

Also see Jeremy Hunt.


There is no way I would defend Grayling or Hunt but that is the whole point which you and people like don't seem to be able to comprehend. To get rid of these morons. using your words, you have to have an electable alternative. Which part of that do you not understand?????????????????????

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There is an electable socialist alternative just because you swallow the right wing press hook line and sinker doesn't change it


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 Post subject: Re: Question Time
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:38 pm 
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There is an electable socialist alternative just because you swallow the right wing press hook line and sinker doesn't change it



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unruly poolie wrote:
There is an electable socialist alternative just because you swallow the right wing press hook line and sinker doesn't change it

There is a big flaw in that statement insomuch that I don't read the right wing press or any other press. You are falling into the realm of assumption simply because you have no other argument to make.
I haven't bought a newspaper for at least ten years and can't see the day when I would resume that habit.
I know socialism, I have supported socialism all my life but I also know that to pursue a socialist agenda you have to get elected.
I have no association with right wing politics and never will have but in order to get rid of right wing politics and right wing agenda you have to get elected.
I am 74 years of age and the days of anybody being able to brainwash me are gone.
One day you will wake up and realise that to get your policies into law you need to be on the Government benches and not the opposition benches.

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TalbotAvenger wrote:
unruly poolie wrote:
There is an electable socialist alternative just because you swallow the right wing press hook line and sinker doesn't change it



clappp


Really ?????????????

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Modern day life Snowy, both comedians and their audiences ,essentially boring , straight down the line, compliant, non controversial people pretending that they are anything but



Aye, lets have loads of jokes about niggers, pakis, queers and homos

And while we are at it, let's have good old fashioned entertainers on the Beeb , good ones who never crossed the line with swears and smut, but still took the time to fuck kids through their non stop charity work


Talking shite has always been your forte Mr Avenger but now you seem to have taken a masters degree in it. Please try and post like an adult.

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