Still Money only adds to this mentality.
What's he going to do about it? Nothing that's what.
Wouldn't surprise me if Raj pulls the plug at the of the season if things don't improve.

Time to log off I think!

Bye bye then PJPoolie log off then.
Inslut me calling Japanese.

No only do you talk shite, you do it in your own language.

If I put Thai on here, people won't understand what Im on about. Plus phone doesn't do Thai.

PJPoolie insulted me calling me Japanese the other day. When I'm Thai. Like calling you a smoggy.

Insulting

PJ what you have to understand is what we are watching week in week out and supporters are giving their opinion on exactly that.
Today one of the BT lads about 10 mins into the game said hartlepool do not have game plan and was spot on suicide football with no midfield.
Now im no football manager how ever in 55 years i think i give a balanced view on what i watch and again we are rightly asking what was that.
I know and appreciate the manager needs time but that does not excuse him not to at least get the basics right at this moment in time.

I feared the worst prior to kick off when BT presented the line ups. Obvious we'd be overrun in midfield. I'm all for giving Money time and it's a massive job setting things up properly for the future, but that's a couple of games now I've scratched my head at the formation. Starting to get a bit worried to be honest.

I was angry and negative when Featherstone turned in the box and presented it on a plate.

I do understand all of that what makes you think I don't?

I don't think much was wrong with the starting line up today, Harrogate played well which is should be said firstly they are a decent team butI don't think the manager can do a lot about individual errors and today we made millions of them. He can't do a lot either if his capatain plays like that, he was a disgrace. I agreed with all the subs, it doesn't help when you literally have to drag two of your most experinced players off because they have been that bad.


Dragging up comments that were taken out of context a couple of weeks ao isn't going to help anyone though.

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Whatever players and formation we played today, the outcome would probably have been the same. As we all now know, the players as a group just aren't good enough, and it looks like a few of them don't want to be here anymore , and those players need to be taken out of the picture immediately What we were looking for today was some effort, which didn't happen, that is a worry, but its a continuing problem. Today we played a good team, who despite struggling of late played us off the park. A better barometer will be the game next week at home to the bottom of the table Braintree. I expect us to win that, if we don't , then the fans have every right to voice their displeasure at Money. Most were expecting the bounce you get with a new manager, when that didn't happen, the fans accepted a new manager bounce doesn't always happen, but no one expected things to be just as bad as under Bates , so Money has to sort it this week or its a relegation battle for certain.

PJ you are still making excuses.
The only excuse i will give him today was he wasnt the manager when we played them at the vic cos any one at that game knows or will have seen to beat harrogate you can not go light in midfield you must match them man for man and the rest as they say is history.

I think Money is a long way down the list of people to blame today.

Question is how many more seasons can we go through like this. Home crowds are falling every home game. Will be another deal on season tickets to try and get the fans on board. Then that's less money for the club to spent on players and wages.

I already fear for the club. Players don't give a shit, fans are pissed off. A manager who clearly wants to do his best with shite players, but in January can't do much other than loan players, who then return to parent clubs.

Retain list end of this season, Hawkes and Kioso. Everyone else can F off. Noble calf strain, six weeks sounds like Bates Dead leg all over again.

Fully agree with that, Its different when you watch them week in week out and i feel we are getting worse every team we play i think looks stronger more fitter and want it more than us in every area, Magney had a horror today could of had us 3-4 nil down he isnt a central defender at all their big lad Mark Beck was just stepping infront of him every time and winning headers we need a commanding centre half and we dont have one, In my opinion Kioso is our best defender and hes only 18-19 that says something.Our wingers where terrible to i cant rememeber them even beating one man today and putting a ball in the box, Our midfield was piss poor featherstone giving balls away left right and centre, Plus when the fuck are we going to be brave and make a tackle instead off backing off and backing off and inviting them onto us! We have Braintree next Saturday and i dare say wel get beat off them to they had a good result today so their confidence will be up where as ours is down in the dumps, We were ran ragid off a good organised team today and it showed to.


Im all for giving managers time but if we get beat next week i think a fair few off the fans will want him out its a rebuilding job in my opinion, Hes the right man with probably the best C.V pools where offered hence why they coose him to be manager he needs a full summer off transfers let him put his print on the squad then judge him.

What was Kabamba like Smithy? He sounds like the type of player we usually see playing against us. I reckon he could do okay against the likes of Braintree, if he gets the service of course, and that's the problem , the big IF, we create little and the delivery is more often than not pitiful. If he doesn't get the service expect him to go the same way as Amond, Cassidy and Muir.

He was a threat up top and had more pace and presence than Cassidy. He has 8 goals this season I believe, which is two seasons worth of goals for James and Cassidy.

Thanks! At least he hit the ground running with a goal. Braintree at home is ideal game for him to increase his goal tally, 5 or 6 from him before end of season could make the difference.

He was alright in my opinion hes a big tall lad, I reckon he can do a job for us but like you say he needs the service and in all honesty i dont think hes going to get it at pools we where walked allover today by a good fit team who are going places, As people where leaving when they scored their 3rd goal people where shouting stuff at Money and the players on the bench im sure they heard aswell with the dugouts been that close to the stand we where in, What i did hear was Hignett effing and blinding at the 4th official when their penalty was giving lol.

Yep ! thats my concern, lack of service, hopefully we will see Molyneux used as an out and out winger next week.

Hofefully buddy, I cant wait until the summer to be fair to see who money brings in, See if he can reshape the squad and get some quality in.

Yeah, us Hartlepool supporters love our summers, I wonder why? Its a bit like when you get divorced, for every summer read new girlfriend , you always imagine you can get back the happiness you once had, but it rarely happens, not for blokes anyway.

The originals in the so called squad appear to play for no manager.

Hahahaha Nicely put Horden.

Is Hignett the only DoF in football who sits on the bench at games? I know he's got to try defend his players but Magnay pulled a shirt in the box and there was no one between him and the ref, I wonder if shouting at the 4th official has ever made a ref change his decision. Unless you're Tony Soprano I don't reckon the ref would give a shit.

Part of a refs duties is to protect his team, that being their two assistants and in recent times the 4th official. I take it Hignett was kicking off? I remember when he first took over, game down at Bristol Rovers , and he was mouthing off at the officials all of the time, its one thing defending your players , but not when the player has clearly committed an injustice, Hignett seems to think everything is an injustice. I said to my son at the time, I don't like this bloke, he has a Sunday League mentality and is not a good fit for us, that must of been 5 or so years ago and he is still hanging around like a bad smell.

Is he sitting on the bench for a bit of rest and relaxation after spending all of his time scouting and bringing in new players (whose ultimate failure will be someone else's fault), overseeing all football matters not under the control of the manager (whose appointment he must have signed off on - but, again, it won't be his fault if Money fails), trying to sell on our younger players with potential (who don't seem to get as much game time as they should - Hawkes? Kioso?), managing the manager, and being the link between the club and the board and the ambassadorial face of Hartlepool United (although he can drop that role on a Saturday afternoon if he wants to shout abuse at the officials - respect and all that doesn't matter when you put your trackie on..)......OK, I'll cut that postage stamp in half now......

Get lost Hignett

Current form shows that Braintree won't be a pushover. They have taken eight points from the last six games and put four past Barnet yesterday. They have nothing to lose now and the players seem to be having a go.
I am a bit concerned about this game to say the least.
Hope I'm way wrong like.

No self respecting manager would allow the DOF on the bench for this length of time.

And as for this "Angry negative club" and he included supporters in that sentence.
I wonder what the average following for pools away games is.
But to me it DOES NOT say negative supporters.

And how long is it since this guy actually managed a club and how many short term
Appoints has he had.

Sorry but the only negativity i hear is from the manager himself.

I think Hignetts presence probably stops Money from bringing in his own staff, It seems to me like Money has been told this.I know he is his own man etc but any new manager would surely want to bring in someone of their own choosing to assist him. It seems like he has been told all the existing staff have to keep their jobs and anything else Money may require, he ( Hignett ) can assist with. As for the attempts at playing football Man City style, Moneys loan signings suggest he realises the only way out of this league is to kick your way out, direct , relying on fitness and strength, he would know this having been there with Cambridge. I think one day him and Hignett will clash over this , as I don't think this is the way Hignett wants to go.

If you're pretty much right here - and I think you are - then Richard Money must be having a pretty shitty time - he must feel like General Custer at the Little Big Horn - standing there, surrounded by troops who won't fight for him and officers who are living in a parallel universe - and then a hoard of wannabe football managers and other long suffering, beyond cynical folk, screaming/ begging for something to improve (and not knowing/ understanding just how bad thinks are for Custer himself). That's time for me to give up on football for today and go for a few pre-John Wayne fillum pints....

Well put ! Any good westerns on the tele this afternoon I take it you're a fan

I understand what you are saying.
But for me you don,t have to kick you way out of this league.

1st and formost You have to be organised and both Physically and Mentally fit.
Just as importantly you have to believe in the system you are playing.

I don,t see any system we are Playing, It reminds of Harrison,s style, Just clutching at
Straws and believing one day it will work.

The manager says because of the fixture list he has not had a lot of time with the players.
I for one don,t buy it, After all does the vic not have floodlights.
If you need time to work things out with players that you believe are
Important then you make time.

I,m sick to death of the bull, As i said above its Harrison all over again and that
Is not the players fault, But those who have employed him.

I stand corrected, kicking our way out was for the want of a better word, these days you cant really do that, I really meant play acting, cheating etc as is the way in this league if not football as a whole these days. Agree about the time, there are 7 days in a week, will they be in training today? there is a game at Darlo this week, how many of yesterdays squad will be playing? there is a beach nearby, a 22 mile walkway, do they use these?

Random speculation is one of Mr. Horden's specialities. Every "I think" or "I get the feeling" has me wondering, Ouija board or tea leaves? It must be based on something, surely?

Money has been told before signing that we are a potless club with a group of poor players and no money to bring in better ones. This is the way it will be for a while and it will likely be worse next year because of the loss of the parachute payment. Get used to it, it'll be a long slog.

It still does not stop you being organised/making you difficult to beat, There is no game plan.

How do you know that Mr I? Have you spoken to Money himself?

There are a lot of footballers within the semi professional level who would come and play for Pools and currently do better than what we see now. I would also back Money to use our wage bill better than that of Bates over the summer. So I don’t think it’s a case of ‘getting used to it’. It’s about getting rid of the chronic losers in the team, being the fittest, biggest and most motivated team in the division and playing every game with a plan we have worked on over a full pre season. You can work within a budget and still put together a winning football team, maybe not one that will storm the division, but at least one that isn’t going to bend over and ask for it like yesterday’s complete abomination did.

I have never felt more disillusioned with a Pools team and as an away day yesterday was pants. Very little atmosphere and the cheers from the Pools fans when Featherstone was hooked was nothing short of embarrassing.

Thats the problem, People think throw money at it and it will be solved.

Agree , You can,t coach HEART, Not sure about Biggest, I,ve seen many terriers put big lads on the deck "ask our Brian"

There is absolutely no reason why someone of Money,s CV cannot organise a team to make them hard to break down.
And it is not or should not be acceptable.
The only reason i see is that certain players will not play for him, Rightly or Wrongly.

What really gets up my nose is when genuine supporters are told they are being negative and have little football knowledge
By people who then ask for unquestioning support.
It makes my blood boil, Sorry you traveled and had to see that.

And by the way have any of these experts from the club appologised for yesterday, You know the one,s with all the badges
That are making a pigs ear out it.

Grayhound said.
"There is absolutely no reason why someone of Money,s CV cannot organise a team to make them hard to break down.
And it is not or should not be acceptable."

Agree entirely....

Spot on. Club has signed about 12 new players this season they carnt all be bad players. Featherstone and Magnay will probably be next ones sent packing leaving nobody at the club playing outfield with more than 100 starts for the club.
As well as the manager fingers should be pointed at the coaches and the people hiring the managers and coaches. The CEO failed at Chester an is failing here but nobody questons his role at the club or what Hignett does at the club or who is scouting the players or making the new signings. Cant just keep having a dozen leave each season and another dozen come in. Remember when we have players like Barron Sir Ritchie Sweens Efion Tinker and co playing season after season after season. If Money was the best manager for the job either the standard applying was very poor or the people hiring him have fooked up again.

Whatever it is, it usually works Its not random, its based on patterns of events over the years that usually repeat themselves, its actually quite easy and becoming easier, Pools are now easier to read than a book. I would advocate challenging things , whether political or Pools, rather than just accepting the horseshit people are fed by the media and the club , a lot of it is lies you know.

Boom! Spot on FPA. Leaving Mr Teflon (that's Higgy for those who don't hail from the collieries) himself to one-side for a moment, yes, what about our esteemed CEO?

We can't keep blaming players (who may well be out of their depth - but just simply shouldn't be playing or, they should be in their right position) and I do have sympathy for Money (despite some of his earlier comments) - a who said, "a fish rots from the head"? FFS, we don't want to end up like Maguire's most recent clubs - and who was it likened Maguire to that bloke in the Torquay hotel?

And these players who will not play for him should be named and thrown under a bus, then we can all get on with the job in hand , that of laying the foundations for at least a play off push next season

Truth is we have to accept we are going to be in this shitty league another fair few year in my opinion for example look at the likes off Lincoln Luton Wrexham specially Wrexham for a size off a club as thirs the attendances they have and their budget must be miles better than ours and they have been in this league 10 years i believe, It isnt going to be a easy ride for us and unfortunately us dropping into this league has been coming this last 10 years the standard off football i have been watching every week this last 10 year has dropped massively, As mentioned in this thread i remember the likes off Nelson Westwood a centre back partenership that was solid Barron right back Robertson left back with a hell off a left foot that back four there is soild its the best back four ive seen at pools, Then the midfield we had Tinkler who took no shit could tackle, Ritchie Humphreys hell off a player and captain, Then Williams on the right off midfield and Boydy and Porter up top, Looking back we aint going to get a team like that again plus with a manger like Cooper to guide them to it was a dream, They knew their job week in week out everytime they stepped on the pitch and understood each other we where turning teams over week in week out where as now any team could turn us over we are lacking in every single department, What ive been watching since that team is pure absolute garbage and a slow decline off our club, I want to be positive about us getting out off this league and winning games but i feel there is nothing to be positive about i think we are in this league for the long haul it woudnt suprise me if we are still here in 5 year time specially the amout off money thats being chucked at non league football these days. But depsite all that it wont stop me going week in week out and supporting our club!

We supposed to be going for promotion next year according to our brilliant off the field department who claim the club is being run the best now than in the last ten years.
I sincerely hope they are right.
But that saying talk is cheap comes to mind.

As I have said before Smithy, unless the structure and mentality of the club drastically changes off the field, then I think there is more chance of us going ever further down the football pyramid than getting back into the football league, for Wrexham, Luton and Lincoln read York, Stockport and Torquay.

Thats my fear to that we will drop down another league to be fair i think wel struggle in that league to, Telford played us off the park the other week and they are in that league i have a mate who goes to Spennymoor and even he says they are playing better football than pools. Stockport another good example i forgot about them being in the league below than us i remember us playing them in league one 7-8 seasons ago, Gary Johnson has done a hell off a job since he came in at Torquay i think they'll go up, Billericay to in the National League South i think they are in the playoffs and are having ludicrous amouts off money chucked at them, I heard that when Pennant signed he was on 4 grand a week that in itself is crazy! Same with Paul Konchesky to i heard he was on the same, Footballs gone crazy these days.

I get the feeling a knot of sado masochists are getting really ‘aroused’ when things go wrong.