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Just now on the OS

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news ... -united-2/

Praises the fans. I doubt much will be made of that , unlike the mythical slagging off of the fans that was doing the rounds at the game today. He said the club was negative and used an example of a few numpties booing him, Noble and a young player, which is true, totally taken out of context.

Interesting last couple of sentences.

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I fully expected another signing yesterday and felt that could have been the boost the players needed.

It's worrying given how positive Money has spoken about this competition. Only a bit of pride can be restored this season now and hopefully a bit of momentum to take into next. That looks a long way off though.


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Without Noble and Cassidy it was always going to be difficult even if the rest of the team had been at it. When you can't take corners, only win 15% of headers, and can't shoot with any power , you are always going to be up against it at any level.

Not many good players looking for clubs in January , and can't be easy for young loanees coming to a club dying on its feet.

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You don't need to win headers if you never lift the ball off the deck.

A tiny percentage of goals come direct fro ma corner.


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Height is a real issue with the squad imo. Makes set pieces impossible to capitalise on


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This lot can't play on the deck, they can't do anything particularly well. A tiny percentage is better than nothing, I would say our percentage is 0.05% remembering Davies 2 goals earlier in the season.

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This lot can't play on the deck, they can't do anything particularly well. A tiny percentage is better than nothing, I would say our percentage is 0.05% remembering Davies 2 goals earlier in the season.


They beat gateshead with passing football the second goal was terrific.

Then he butchered line up 3 days later.

You putting all your eggs in thr money basket good luck with that he is more deluded than you.


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That was a one off and you know it. Some teams let you play football and Gateshead seem to be one of those teams we do okay against. We did make hard work of it though. He changed things 3 days later, that was wrong, you don't change a winning team IMO , but that wasn't the reason for the defeat, it was because they were back to their normal inconsistent lazy ways.

I would say it is you who is deluded PEP.

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I really agree misterb but where are there?
All the decent ones are under contract etc etc.
Decent ones are not on the unemployment register (UB40).
Journeyman prostitutes cost a fortune and hold clubs to ransom and we are cash strapped.

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I’d argue he changed the system so he could have a proper look at Cassidy. He’s probably made his mind up from that that he’s no good and needs scattering. I agree that he shouldn’t have changed a winning team but I can understand why he’s been changing things week on week


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Easy way out to blame players, we haven't improved a player in about 6 years.

Bates was clueless and inexperienced but that doesn't mean you get a dinosaur in. He already stated he doesnt do xpg or stats so he already handicapped.


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Easy way out to blame players, we haven't improved a player in about 6 years.

Bates was clueless and inexperienced but that doesn't mean you get a dinosaur in. He already stated he doesnt do xpg or stats so he already handicapped.


Ridiculous.


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I really agree misterb but where are there?
All the decent ones are under contract etc etc.
Decent ones are not on the unemployment register (UB40).
Journeyman prostitutes cost a fortune and hold clubs to ransom and we are cash strapped.

There'll be plenty league 2 players not getting a game who'll be looking for some regular football

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misterb2001 wrote:
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I really agree misterb but where are there?
All the decent ones are under contract etc etc.
Decent ones are not on the unemployment register (UB40).
Journeyman prostitutes cost a fortune and hold clubs to ransom and we are cash strapped.

There'll be plenty league 2 players not getting a game who'll be looking for some regular football


All the way up here though? Carlisle nearest league team to us.

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PJPoolie wrote:
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Easy way out to blame players, we haven't improved a player in about 6 years.

Bates was clueless and inexperienced but that doesn't mean you get a dinosaur in. He already stated he doesnt do xpg or stats so he already handicapped.


Ridiculous.


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misterb2001 wrote:
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I really agree misterb but where are there?
All the decent ones are under contract etc etc.
Decent ones are not on the unemployment register (UB40).
Journeyman prostitutes cost a fortune and hold clubs to ransom and we are cash strapped.

There'll be plenty league 2 players not getting a game who'll be looking for some regular football


Yes but would these guys move to the north east which is an issue all NE clubs face. My favoured recruitment ground is Scotland :doh:

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unruly poolie wrote:
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Easy way out to blame players, we haven't improved a player in about 6 years.

Bates was clueless and inexperienced but that doesn't mean you get a dinosaur in. He already stated he doesnt do xpg or stats so he already handicapped.


Ridiculous.


Please elaborate


Gods sake don't encourage him.


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unruly poolie wrote:
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Easy way out to blame players, we haven't improved a player in about 6 years.

Bates was clueless and inexperienced but that doesn't mean you get a dinosaur in. He already stated he doesnt do xpg or stats so he already handicapped.


Ridiculous.


Please elaborate


Looking at his CV (which is varied and diverse) and previous spells as a manager at this sort of level added to his philosophy of how he wants us to play the only way you’d use the word ‘dinosaur’ about the bloke is if you going were lazily discriminating against him about his age. He’s articulate and speaks a lot of sense, seemingly too much for some.

FFS he has been here five minutes.

Who would you have appointed? One day people will stop blaming the manager and give one a chance to actually do his job.


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So you disagree about the word dinosaur I would argue football has moved on in the last 5 years and if you are not using xpg and stats you are a dinosau. He has admitted this it's on record. Good luck in your putting your faith in an archaic system of appointing managers that involves interviewing people that applied via twitter. Let's not forget he was earning good money in china before he came here.


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In a nutshell here is what Hignett and Money are on about;

http://hufc1908.proboards.com/thread/11 ... l-time-low

Essentially blaming the people picking up the pieces, the people who caused it never get a mention and didn’t at the time because the wrong people exposed them. Toxic. It is a new low, all of this, but all is almost solely a consequence of our club being raped by chancers and conmen. Yes a lot of the players are a bit crap, but it is what it is as a direct consequence of the whole Coxberg/Sage carry on.


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So you disagree about the word dinosaur I would argue football has moved on in the last 5 years and if you are not using xpg and stats you are a dinosau. He has admitted this it's on record. Good luck in your putting your faith in an archaic system of appointing managers that involves interviewing people that applied via twitter. Let's not forget he was earning good money in china before he came here.



Football still has the same sized pitches and balls and goals as it did five years ago. Have you just used the words archaic and twitter in the same sentence? Dinosaurs must have loved twitter.

Who would you have appointed? Second time I have asked that.


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Its still got same size pitches and goals as it did since the white horse cup final but I think we can agree it's moved on since then


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The National League hasn’t in the space of the last five years though. Money talks absolute sense about this level of football.


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I look forward to you seeing him at Al sadd next season


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Lads you can argue about this that this how ever the reality today was simple and for all to see.

Telford were everything pools arnt in other words they were by far a better football team so you can argue all you want with stats whatever etc wont change the fact they played of the park without getting a sweat on.

Wish we could sign their 2 forwards when you compare them to muir and james no wonder we have problems scoring.


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They have literally just signed a forward we had that will go into their first 11


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In a nutshell here is what Hignett and Money are on about;

http://hufc1908.proboards.com/thread/11 ... l-time-low

Essentially blaming the people picking up the pieces, the people who caused it never get a mention and didn’t at the time because the wrong people exposed them. Toxic. It is a new low, all of this, but all is almost solely a consequence of our club being raped by chancers and conmen. Yes a lot of the players are a bit crap, but it is what it is as a direct consequence of the whole Coxberg/Sage carry on.



If the poster who said he's the worse manager we've had in fifty years, he must have given Mick Docherty and Vivian Busbys time in charge a swerve


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Every manager who doesn’t win every game on appointment is labelled the worst manager ever by some people. Obviously they’re talking shit or started supporting club about about five years ago.

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Passed off the park in my opinion yesterday by a way better team who wanted it more, I dont kmow why i even bother with games like this, Anyway got my tickets for Harrogate Yesterday i asked the lass behind the counter how many we have sold appartnly its nearly 500 so far she said so without a doubtthere will be around 700 there crammed in the away end, I dont get how a club off out size in this league and the away following we have simply plays shite week in week out with the odd good performance that gives us all a glimmer off hope.

Its not the managers fault ive been saying this for maybe 7-8 years now with all the managers we have brought in, It isnt the managers its the players and the recruitment whoever has been making them decesions.


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This lot can't play on the deck, they can't do anything particularly well. A tiny percentage is better than nothing, I would say our percentage is 0.05% remembering Davies 2 goals earlier in the season.


They beat gateshead with passing football the second goal was terrific.

Then he butchered line up 3 days later.

You putting all your eggs in thr money basket good luck with that he is more deluded than you.


It isn't that this team can't beat other teams in the league. They are just not consistent enough, which is one of the things that marks a good side, the ability to perform week in week out. I guarantee you could put that side out that beat Gateshead every week but they'd still put in as many shocking performances as any other variant of it that we've seen.


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Passed off the park in my opinion yesterday by a way better team who wanted it more, I dont kmow why i even bother with games like this, Anyway got my tickets for Harrogate Yesterday i asked the lass behind the counter how many we have sold appartnly its nearly 500 so far she said so without a doubtthere will be around 700 there crammed in the away end, I dont get how a club off out size in this league and the away following we have simply plays shite week in week out with the odd good performance that gives us all a glimmer off hope.

Its not the managers fault ive been saying this for maybe 7-8 years now with all the managers we have brought in, It isnt the managers its the players and the recruitment whoever has been making them decesions.


Harrogate big test, artificial pitch not good for players who aren't fit. Money will tell them in no uncertain terms what they need to do and we will see if the players are behind him or against him, if the latter we could get mullered. They played us off the park a couple of seasons ago pre season, they looked miles fitter than us then in two years nothing has changed at our end.

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Passed off the park in my opinion yesterday by a way better team who wanted it more, I dont kmow why i even bother with games like this, Anyway got my tickets for Harrogate Yesterday i asked the lass behind the counter how many we have sold appartnly its nearly 500 so far she said so without a doubtthere will be around 700 there crammed in the away end, I dont get how a club off out size in this league and the away following we have simply plays shite week in week out with the odd good performance that gives us all a glimmer off hope.

Its not the managers fault ive been saying this for maybe 7-8 years now with all the managers we have brought in, It isnt the managers its the players and the recruitment whoever has been making them decesions.


Got my ticket for the Harrogate game earlier in the week. Their bubble has well and truly burst (1 point from the last 5 games) so it's not mission impossible.

After the game, I want to be thinking 'we played ok today.' Maybe even celebrating picking up an away point. Or three! What I really don't want to be doing is listening to the manager on the car radio saying 'That was completely unacceptable' and giving another analysis of the amount of work that needs to be done to get back on the right track.

I want this to work, but I'm not prepared to give the man who is picking the team, dictating the tactics and organising the coaching a free pass while Pools drop into the clarts.

Fingers crossed, eh?


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Passed off the park in my opinion yesterday by a way better team who wanted it more, I dont kmow why i even bother with games like this, Anyway got my tickets for Harrogate Yesterday i asked the lass behind the counter how many we have sold appartnly its nearly 500 so far she said so without a doubtthere will be around 700 there crammed in the away end, I dont get how a club off out size in this league and the away following we have simply plays shite week in week out with the odd good performance that gives us all a glimmer off hope.

Its not the managers fault ive been saying this for maybe 7-8 years now with all the managers we have brought in, It isnt the managers its the players and the recruitment whoever has been making them decesions.


Harrogate big test, artificial pitch not good for players who aren't fit. Money will tell them in no uncertain terms what they need to do and we will see if the players are behind him or against him, if the latter we could get mullered. They played us off the park a couple of seasons ago pre season, they looked miles fitter than us then in two years nothing has changed at our end.


Yes it is a big test and maybe a pivotal point. I think the players will acquit themselves well even if the result aint perfect. I think the message that the club and others are trying to get over is that we fans need to get behind the team and not be negative when things go against us.
Remember the comment by Donald Southerland in the Kellys Heros............
"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves. Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

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Ha ! yes I hope and reckon we will keep them at bay at least, narrow defeat, as I just can't see how we can score the at least 2 goals to beat them. After that hopefully the start of a good run, bottom of the league team at home the week after. :roll:

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Yes agree cant see us scoring 2 goals, 1 maybe.......it going to be tough.

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horden wrote:
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Passed off the park in my opinion yesterday by a way better team who wanted it more, I dont kmow why i even bother with games like this, Anyway got my tickets for Harrogate Yesterday i asked the lass behind the counter how many we have sold appartnly its nearly 500 so far she said so without a doubtthere will be around 700 there crammed in the away end, I dont get how a club off out size in this league and the away following we have simply plays shite week in week out with the odd good performance that gives us all a glimmer off hope.

Its not the managers fault ive been saying this for maybe 7-8 years now with all the managers we have brought in, It isnt the managers its the players and the recruitment whoever has been making them decesions.


Harrogate big test, artificial pitch not good for players who aren't fit. Money will tell them in no uncertain terms what they need to do and we will see if the players are behind him or against him, if the latter we could get mullered. They played us off the park a couple of seasons ago pre season, they looked miles fitter than us then in two years nothing has changed at our end.


Fully agree with what you have said horden it is a big test for us, Thats what i was thinking from the performance on saturday the players will either react they will be even more worse at Harrogate or give us a good win with a good performance. Been told this afternoon they have nearly sold 700 tickets, Hell off a support as always for a team lacking confidence.


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Trouble is, no matter who the manager is, the inconsistency in performance is the same.

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Trouble is, no matter who the manager is, the inconsistency in performance is the same.

wish the season was over now. no relagation threat and money being able to show the door to all those who are inconsistant and give the impression of could not care a damn, just give me my wage cheque.


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Trouble is, no matter who the manager is, the inconsistency in performance is the same.

wish the season was over now. no relagation threat and money being able to show the door to all those who are inconsistant and give the impression of could not care a damn, just give me my wage cheque.


No relegation threat ? sctatchinghead not sure about that one Accy , Braintree start their fightback on the 26th January :roll:

Unless Money can galvanise the players he has got and or bring in an experienced centre half/midfielder and big centre forward , all I can see is a relegation threat. Maybe not bottom four but certainly bottom six, and that is a relegation threat.

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