Williams -Still a sicknote

since1953 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:23 am **Posts:** 172

Somebody at the club should be held to account over this - unless he is only getting paid if he plays.

ptbap · **Posted:** Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:27 pm

You want to hold somebody to account for a footballer getting injured in training?

since1953 · **Joined:** Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:23 am **Posts:** 172

His playing record for Scunthorpe / HUFC over the past 4 seasons :
2015/16 played 28
2016/17 played 15 (including 8 on loan at Northampton )
2017/18 played 2
This season played zero.
He wasn't fit when he signed - why ? - was it injuries preventing from training.
We have fitness gurus and they keep failing to spot the problem ???????????????

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

He was fit when he signed. He had been training with us for 3 weeks with no issues.

ptbap · **Posted:** Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:46 pm

Perhaps he was fit and wasn't picked at Scunthorpe.

The fact we had him for three weeks before signing him, tells me everything was done correctly be the club, one could say those three weeks were spent checking he was fit before offering him a contract. To get injured two days after signing IS BAD LUCK.

There doesn't have to be somebody to blame for everything these days. Shit happens, get over it.

ZNB12 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:50 pm **Posts:** 1160

So why does Network Rail pay out compensation for delayed (because some dick head jump in fornt of it or a rat bit through the signalling cables) trains and the company gives refunds to delayed passengers (delay repay) or why airlines has to get you a hotel for the night when flights are delayed and cancelled. Also why do you get insurance pay out for crashing your car. Or you can sue the council for tripping over a road.

SHIT happens

Into today world some always to blame. Even if not they fault. So please never complain about a referee every again.

What type of training was he doing the to be out for 4 + months and 2 operation when 95% of the team are fine?

ptbap · **Posted:** Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:53 pm

Ah so we shall blame the person who told him to run about and kick a football. That makes sense, what do you propose, we dock Matthews Bates pay to cover the wages of Luke Williams?

The rest of the message doesn't make a great deal of sense to me, I'm pretty stupid to be honest.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Liking Williams to train delays made total sense to me.

I feel sorry for people like Mark Simpson in all of this, this shit he or whoever has to put up with on facebook etc ain't worth it. Wish he would just turn the option to reply off on club posts etc.

horden · **Posted:** Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:48 pm

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

He was fit when he signed. He had been training with us for 3 weeks with no issues.

If he was fit he would of walked straight into the team, was he hell fit.

horden · **Posted:** Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:49 pm

ptbap wrote:

Perhaps he was fit and wasn't picked at Scunthorpe.

The fact we had him for three weeks before signing him, tells me everything was done correctly be the club, one could say those three weeks were spent checking he was fit before offering him a contract. To get injured two days after signing IS BAD LUCK.

There doesn't have to be somebody to blame for everything these days. Shit happens, get over it.

To be fair though, shit seems to happen at HUFC a lot more than any other club.

As for Luke, second knee op, looks bleak for him , can't see him ever playing for us , if anyone, but what do I know.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

horden wrote:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

He was fit when he signed. He had been training with us for 3 weeks with no issues.

If he was fit he would of walked straight into the team, was he hell fit.

He was fit, we signed him.then he got injured 2 days later before any games were played.

What part of that is hard to understand?

Snailwood2 · **Joined:** Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:18 pm **Posts:** 251

Why do so many of our players need more than one operation to fix a problem. There is someone to look for to blame!

horden · **Posted:** Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:01 pm

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

horden wrote:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

He was fit when he signed. He had been training with us for 3 weeks with no issues.

If he was fit he would of walked straight into the team, was he hell fit.

He was fit, we signed him.then he got injured 2 days later before any games were played.

What part of that is hard to understand?

None of it , other than I don't believe he was fit. Some coincidence him getting injured at a time when no one else had, players who had been training since July.

Smokin Joe · **Joined:** Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:13 pm **Posts:** 1118

Williams may well have been ‘fit’ when he signed ie he did presumably not turn up in a wheelchair or hobbling around on crutches but it beggars belief that no-one at the club took the view that his signing did not come with an element of risk given his history of injury. Yes Williams would have been a considerable asset in this league if he had been able to contribute on an occasional basis even if only from the bench - but it is looking increasingly unlikely that this will actually happen. The fact that he was prepared to sign for lowly Pools when he could surely have secured a place at an EFL club should in itself have set alarm bells ringing.

I don’t blame the lad for grasping an opportunity to secure a contract and it is wrong that he is allegedly getting abuse from frustrated supporters but I still maintain my original perception of this signing ie that it was a case of ‘jobs for the (Boro) boy’ and at the very least a calculated risk taken by Bates, Higgy or both that has since backfired badly and is tying up priceless funding on an individual who has albeit through no fault of his own been unable to bring anything to the table this season.

I would therefore concur wth the original post that someone at the club should be held to account for this episode but that is highly unlikely to happen as ranks have obviously long since been closed in respect of the singing of Luke Williams.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Phil, don't spoil people's fun. Being wise after the event is so fucking easy, isn't it? The idea that he was signed for no better reason than that he's ex-Boro is laughable.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

phil wrote:

I was over the moon when he signed. Everyone knew the risks about his injuries, they weren't kept secret. We also know how much potential he has. It is absolutely frustrating that he hasn't gotten a game yet, and I'm sure the most frustrated person in all of this is Luke. The idea anyone should be held accountable is preposterous. He was a high risk high potential signing. He had been put through his paces for three weeks in training without a concern. There was no reason to assume he was going to get injured the next day and miss three months. He was worth the gamble then and he still is. If he gets back to the player he was during his first spell, he's good enough to win the league on his own.

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Nice to see some common sense for a change.

Some unbelievable comments/rationale these last few days. :laugh:

horden · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:23 am

phil wrote:

I was over the moon when he signed. Everyone knew the risks about his injuries, they weren't kept secret. We also know how much potential he has. It is absolutely frustrating that he hasn't gotten a game yet, and I'm sure the most frustrated person in all of this is Luke. The idea anyone should be held accountable is preposterous. He was a high risk high potential signing. He had been put through his paces for three weeks in training without a concern. There was no reason to assume he was going to get injured the next day and miss three months. He was worth the gamble then and he still is. If he gets back to the player he was during his first spell, he's good enough to win the league on his own.

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So its okay for a club without a pot to piss in, sign a high risk potential signing , and no doubt on a 3 year contract.

accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19819

He was fit, we signed him.then he got injured 2 days later before any games were played.

What part of that is hard to understand?[/quote]
makes me wonder if some people only get off their backsides to go to games and work and any form of exercise is a dirty word as you could get injured. i,ve picked up injuries when i played in training and also a couple of times walking the dog. no player likes being injured and although the williams situation boarders on a farce for the club having cheap shots at the guy will not make the situation any better. i imagine there has been plenty players actually injured in pre season and never kicked a ball again the following season.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

ptbap wrote:

Perhaps he was fit and wasn't picked at Scunthorpe.

The fact we had him for three weeks before signing him, tells me everything was done correctly be the club, one could say those three weeks were spent checking he was fit before offering him a contract. To get injured two days after signing IS BAD LUCK.

There doesn't have to be somebody to blame for everything these days. Shit happens, get over it.

No that’s not how it works at pools these days

Someone injured - sack someone

Lose - sack someone

Win - still sack someone as we didn’t win enough

Sign someone - sack someone anyway

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accrington fan · **Joined:** Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm **Posts:** 19819

Yubep wrote:

ptbap wrote:

Perhaps he was fit and wasn't picked at Scunthorpe.

The fact we had him for three weeks before signing him, tells me everything was done correctly be the club, one could say those three weeks were spent checking he was fit before offering him a contract. To get injured two days after signing IS BAD LUCK.

There doesn't have to be somebody to blame for everything these days. Shit happens, get over it.

No that’s not how at Works at pools these days

Someone injured - sack someone

Lose - sack someone

Win - still sack someone as we didn’t win enough
too true. but thats football fans nowadays instant success or nothing.

horden · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:15 am

Yubep wrote:

ptbap wrote:

Perhaps he was fit and wasn't picked at Scunthorpe.

The fact we had him for three weeks before signing him, tells me everything was done correctly be the club, one could say those three weeks were spent checking he was fit before offering him a contract. To get injured two days after signing IS BAD LUCK.

There doesn't have to be somebody to blame for everything these days. Shit happens, get over it.

No that’s not how at Works at pools these days

Someone injured - sack someone

Lose - sack someone

Win - still sack someone as we didn’t win enough

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Did anyone get sacked though ? :laugh:

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

ZNB12 wrote:

So why does Network Rail pay out compensation for delayed (because some dick head jump in fornt of it or a rat bit through the signalling cables) trains and the company gives refunds to delayed passengers (delay repay) or why airlines has to get you a hotel for the night when flights are delayed and cancelled. Also why do you get insurance pay out for crashing your car. Or you can sue the council for tripping over a road.

SHIT happens

Into today world some always to blame. Even if not they fault. So please never complain about a referee every again.

What type of training was he doing the to be out for 4 + months and 2 operation when 95% of the team are fine?

I’m not going again until I’m compensated for Luke Williams being injured

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horden · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:19 am

accrington fan wrote:

Yubep wrote:

ptbap wrote:

Perhaps he was fit and wasn't picked at Scunthorpe.

The fact we had him for three weeks before signing him, tells me everything was done correctly be the club, one could say those three weeks were spent checking he was fit before offering him a contract. To get injured two days after signing IS BAD LUCK.

There doesn't have to be somebody to blame for everything these days. Shit happens, get over it.

No that’s not how at Works at pools these days

Someone injured - sack someone

Lose - sack someone

Win - still sack someone as we didn’t win enough
too true. but thats football fans nowadays instant success or nothing.

This is true. I've been ungrateful, I'm now just going to sit back and enjoy the rest of the season and run on the pitch v Salford in May and celebrate a mid table finish , safe in the knowledge that its another step forward in our 10 year plan to get out of this league.

horden · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:23 am

Yubep wrote:

ZNB12 wrote:

So why does Network Rail pay out compensation for delayed (because some dick head jump in fornt of it or a rat bit through the signalling cables) trains and the company gives refunds to delayed passengers (delay repay) or why airlines has to get you a hotel for the night when flights are delayed and cancelled. Also why do you get insurance pay out for crashing your car. Or you can sue the council for tripping over a road.

SHIT happens

Into today world some always to blame. Even if not they fault. So please never complain about a referee every again.

What type of training was he doing the to be out for 4 + months and 2 operation when 95% of the team are fine?

I’m not going again until I’m compensated for Luke Williams being injured

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ptbap · **Posted:** Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 pm

Free chips for everyone, oh no hang on!

SACK SOMEBODY

Twilight Zone · **Joined:** Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1428

Well I believe Luke will be the first name on the team sheet.....starting in January. I further believe he will be our best player for the rest of the season and prove a lot of you wrong.

ptbap · **Posted:** Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:01 am

Twilight Zone wrote:

Well I believe Luke will be the first name on the team sheet.....starting in January. I further believe he will be our best player for the rest of the season and prove a lot of you wrong.

If that happens, somebody will have to pay, I want at least one SACKING.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

ptbap wrote:

Twilight Zone wrote:

Well I believe Luke will be the first name on the team sheet.....starting in January. I further believe he will be our best player for the rest of the season and prove a lot of you wrong.

If that happens, somebody will have to pain, I want at least one SACKING.

I imagine Luke Williams is the one doing the pain at the minute. Always think it's a really cheap shot branding somebody a sicknote for going under the knife multiple times. I mean, you wouldn't do it from choice would you?

mib1975 · **Joined:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:02 pm **Posts:** 308

New pools podcast an excellent listen....also makes people slagging luke Williams off look like fucking idiots some people need to think before they spout shite on here

horden · **Posted:** Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:23 am

Not sure many are slagging Williams off, more the club for signing him in the first place. Only time will tell if we ever see him play for us.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:18 am

That podcast is well worth a listen. The Luke Williams bit starts at 38 minutes and from there to the end is very interesting.

https://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news/2018/november/151118-new-hartlepool-united-podcast-episode-1-launched/

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