Cricket Deja Vu

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

'Kinell - just stuck the klicky bat on and Stokes and Buttler are batting already!

The England top order has gone beyond a joke - Root nearly as poor now as Cook and the absolutely hopeless Jennings.

Oi, You! Mr I- Baseball is shite rounders. Doh!

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:28 pm

Ball to Jennings was brilliant.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Bluestreak wrote:

Ball to Jennings was brilliant.

Most balls look decent if you play it like you have suffered a sudden attack of paralysis. It was just an inswinger, an opening batsman at Test level should be able to cope with one. He should have been nowhere near this match.

England always seem to be 30/3 and this has been going on for a while.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:33 pm

The commentators on sky said it was a brilliant ball and they know more than me but i agree Jennings is just not up to it but England seem to have limited options.
We are doomed as i see Stokes is now out!!!!! :angry-screaming:

ltr · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:12 am **Posts:** 818

Curran to opening the batting in the second innings.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Bluestreak wrote:

The commentators on sky said it was a brilliant ball and they know more than me but i agree Jennings is just not up to it but England seem to have limited options.
We are doomed as i see Stokes is now out!!!!! :angry-screaming:

It was a good ball and a good set up with the previous away swingers but the way he played it was alarming, I am not sure I have ever seen a Test opener get out in that manner. He obviously decided his plan to stop him knicking off was to leave everything including balls pitching on middle stump!! He’s obviously shot mentally.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

One of the great things about test cricket is the twists and turns that are possible over 5 days - not that England tests ever last 5 days unless there are rain delays.

The way things are looking at the minute I'd say England's best chance of avoiding a series defeat from 2-0 up is plenty of rain at the Oval next month.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:26 pm

Curran to open in second innings?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

One of the great things about test shite rounders is the twists and turns that are possible over 5 days - not that England tests ever last 5 days unless there are rain delays.

The way things are looking at the minute I'd say England's best chance of avoiding a series defeat from 2-0 up is plenty of rain at the Oval next month.

England favourites to win this now I’d say.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

PJPoolie wrote:

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

One of the great things about test shite rounders is the twists and turns that are possible over 5 days - not that England tests ever last 5 days unless there are rain delays.

The way things are looking at the minute I'd say England's best chance of avoiding a series defeat from 2-0 up is plenty of rain at the Oval next month.

England favourites to win this now I’d say.

Never doubted the lads for a minute. Cook hundred next innings and the job's a good 'un.

RAY52 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:36 pm **Posts:** 932

When is Cook going to realise he is now shit and ask to be dropped. That’s the only way as I don’t think Root and the selectors have the bottle

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:35 pm

Attachment:

cook.jpg

Agreed its about time the old deers who make up the England selectors give him a bit of his own medicine.

Hartleblue · **Posted:** Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:42 pm

Sick Fucker! No need to advertise his killing. Twat!

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Just seen the last two ridiculous posts :laugh:

He’s a farmer I doubt he advertises anything a he’s one of the dying breed who’s never got involved in any form of social media. Farmers tend to kill animals. I am assuming you are both vegetarians or even vegan!?

Anyway a few of got their wish now and he’s retiring from International Cricket after the Oval. Some will see it as the right time as he’s been undoubtably short of runs but so have most openers this summer in the Tests it’s been a tough job, the Indians haven’t went a lot better. Personally I think it leaves England with a big problem as we are probably going to go into the Winter needing to find two openers with no obvious candidates, maybe Burns from Surrey but question marks about his technique have already come up.

It’s only right that Cook went on his terms though, even if I think he’s got more to offer and he’s not that old maybe we should not underestimate the mental tole playing as many consecutive Tests takes so if he thinks he’s done then you have to respect that but I wouldn’t have minded seeing him take the winter off and see how things are at the start of next summer, if we have found replacements, if his hunger was still there. You can say more about him though than that he retires as England’s highest ever run scorer and as the highest scoring opening batsman (the toughest position to bat) to ever play Tests.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:32 pm

Cook was a great player but his recent performances have not been up to standard and its his time to go. Someone is going to have to step forward and hopefully get another 12,000 test runs.
He has shown some naivety in allowing himself to be photographed with a dead animal that he has just killed given that he was the cricket captain of our country.Many people dislike gratuitous killing of animals and even if he was going to eat it why the photo of such an animal in such a pose?(who shot Bambi?)
I wish i was a vegetarian but it causes excessive flatulence.

Hartleblue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:02 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

Just seen the last two ridiculous posts :laugh:

He’s a farmer I doubt he advertises anything a he’s one of the dying breed who’s never got involved in any form of social media. Farmers tend to kill animals. I am assuming you are both vegetarians or even vegan!?

Anyway a few of got their wish now and he’s retiring from International shite rounders after the Oval. Some will see it as the right time as he’s been undoubtably short of runs but so have most openers this summer in the Tests it’s been a tough job, the Indians haven’t went a lot better. Personally I think it leaves England with a big problem as we are probably going to go into the Winter needing to find two openers with no obvious candidates, maybe Burns from Surrey but question marks about his technique have already come up.

It’s only right that Cook went on his terms though, even if I think he’s got more to offer and he’s not that old maybe we should not underestimate the mental tole playing as many consecutive Tests takes so if he thinks he’s done then you have to respect that but I wouldn’t have minded seeing him take the winter off and see how things are at the start of next summer, if we have found replacements, if his hunger was still there. You can say more about him though than that he retires as England’s highest ever run scorer and as the highest scoring opening batsman (the toughest position to bat) to ever play Tests.

You assumed wrong, prick!

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Well that’s not very nice. You eat meat then? Do you make sure it died of natural causes :laugh:

He’s a country bumpkin he likes a bit of deerstalking it’s not for everyone but it’s not illegal and it’s got nothing to do with with a c ricket thread really.

He’s been a great player, they haven’t found anyone good enough to replace Strauss and he’s opened with countless people who haven’t been up to it, replacing him is not going to be easy to say the least but he’s still the best opener in the country, form is temporary and all of that. He owes England nothing but my point is that I think England still need him, obviously not in the form he’s in now, but he’s literally not missed a Test in 12 years, I think he could have benefited from missing the winter then reassessing. Obviously if we had people waiting to take his place then it would be easier to move on but we don’t, far from it.

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:35 pm

We probably need to blood some new guys but performances are going to be patchy until another top cricketer arrives.
Boycott must have some offspring.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

We have been blooding new guys since Andrew Strauss retired. Cook has opened with 12 different people. When Jennings gets dropped again we will be looking for not one but two ‘new guys’.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

PJPoolie wrote:

Anyway a few of got their wish now and he’s retiring from International shite rounders after the Oval. Some will see it as the right time...

Recognising that something was seriously amiss with Alastair Cook's batting and speculating that his Test career was drawing to an end is not "getting a wish." The man said it himself; he had nothing left in the tank. Personally I wish he'd announced his retirement at the end of the Ashes tour on the back of his Melbourne innings. The likes of Vaughn and Strauss also knew when to call time on their test careers- a little better than Cook in fact. With the massive change in emphasis of world c-ricket Cook may be the last of the great England test openers - it's not his fault that there's no obvious candidate to take his place, any more than it was Andrew Strauss's - though he's still not been been adequately replaced.

Then again, the fun part of following sport is you never know - in a couple of years we might have new England openers doing a grand job. Sour grapes because you called it wrong on Cook's potential longevity is positively Fireballesque.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Sour grapes!? At what exactly? It’s fairly arrogant to suggest my entirely subjective opinion is ‘wrong’.

The people who have got there wish are those who have slagged him off on social media and called him shite ect. I can accept anyone’s view who thinks we should move on the in balanced and fair way as his recent numbers are poor.

My comment about his longevity centered mainly around his age which is only 33 some Test openers make there debut older than that I read that Geoff Boycott scored over 70 first hundreds after that age!! Only Cook can answer the question about whether he’s got anything left in the tank but if he hasn’t now it’s totally understandable after playing 159 consecutive tests (which is unbelievable) over 12 years maybe he just needs a break? He has never been injured so he has no worries about his body I just think it’s too young to give it up and I do think he has more to offer. Opening the bating on Test Cricket is tough and he’s done it non stop. As I’ve said he’s owes us nothing but I think his influence will be missed more than people realise.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

I think at this stage it's worth just recognising that Cook is and will go down as one of England's great players, like has been said earlier to open the batting for so long, especially in England in more seam friendly conditions with the Dukes ball is incredible. The fact he still averages mid 40's despite the tailing off of his scores in last couple of years says it all. Putting it in context, none of the other batsmen who have been tried or are in team right now (who have played a decent amount of games) Root excepted even average over 40 (Stokes, Bairstow, Ali, etc).

Look at Root as well, his average at 3 is about 10 runs less than at 4 and about 30 less than at 5 which shows what going in early against the new ball is like.

There is an argument his powers were on the wane, a telling sign is often dropped slip catches that the eyes or reflexes are going a bit. But I agree with PJ a bit as well, he still has something to offer and is relatively very young as a batsmen apart from the number of consecutive Tests he has played. In the end though I think he has probably made the right decision, if he feels like he has nothing left in the tank he leaves at the right time. We've been lucky to have him I reckon

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I agree and he knows his own mind but it will be interesting if he has the winter off recharging the batteries then comes back and scores early season hundreds for Essex (which he probably will) to see if he starts to regret it.

But you’re correct to say his decision has got to be respected and it’s time to congratulate him on a brilliant career. An interesting stat is in all the time he’s opened for England he’s averaged 44.9, the rest (including Strauss) 34 which puts his quality and value to the team into decent context.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

Yep his average is outstanding really based on longevity and being in England against the Dukes ball, also playing lot's of 5 Test series against the best teams in the World. It's one of those crazy ones in recent years where someone like Cook has been getting lot's of criticism at times and the flair players who are very hit or miss are lauded.

I would be curious to see what his average was before and after captaincy as well, I know Smith and Kohli have flourished but I think it puts a burden on a player and has certainly affected Root's overall form so far.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Please Mr Cook have a nice rest over the winter and come back fresh next summer, I am starting the clamor now before he scores millions of runs for Essex and the England openers are struggling before the Ashes.

Nothing wrong with his batting he’s played as well this week witnout the mental pressure as he has for a couple of years, have some time off refill the tank!!

I’m only half serious obviously but this is fitting end for a great player and top bloke.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

I concur PJ!!

What a game Test Cricket is like, and also how brilliant 5 Test series are with 2 teams reasonably well matched going at each other. This series could have gone either way until this match with England edging and winning all the key sessions and that has ground India down mentally to the point we are at today which is almost like the perfect day for England really. Just gutted to be at work and not watching it

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Just seen a stat he’s scored more runs in history of the game than anyone as young as 33. Even Sachin was behind at this stage.

I have contacted Steve Howard to check if any copywright issues were involved but it’s ok I’m going with it;

#toosoon

Cricket Deja Vu

Gadgies online