ON THE BEACH - PROBALLY SEATON OR CRIMDON

ToTheHartlepool2-0 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:08 pm **Posts:** 1333

Don't care if I get the abuse but an approaching end of dismal season observation:

I have soft spots for The O's and The Gulls (Leyton Orient and Torquay United respectively). The O's are safe and probably Pools as well having just done enough. I would like to see Torquay escape but unlikely. Would have liked to see us stuff these opponents in the last two home games and see Torquay escape and win at Pools. Alas it didn't happen. And Tranmere Rovers. Another proper football club who I reckon will win the play offs and owe us Poolies one. I would make this current shower of shite run the length of Crimdon beach where they could get their P45's never to stain the town of Hartlepool ever again. Feeling like that tonight. Sorry bunkerites.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:22 pm

Nothing to be sorry for, out of the current squad I would only keep Loach and Magnay. Hawkes Woods and Cassidy if they’re happy with the bench

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

A good shot-stopper that’s let in 60 league goals this season !

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

I’d keep Donnelly and Hawkes and after that I’m struggling. Maybe Oates Cassidy and Newton with better players around them. The rest can all go for me.

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

I’d keep Donnelly and Hawkes and after that I’m struggling. Maybe Oates Cassidy and Newton with better players around them. The rest can all go for me.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:50 am

There are some players there who are on a good wad for our level who haven't been justifying their pay packet.

I am guessing that some may not be out of contract at the end of the season and will hang around to take the lowra.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37583

I don't get rate Loach at all. I see him as Flinders Mk 2. A shot stopper who rarely leaves his line and fails utterly to command his box. Opposition teams must be aware of his failings, so don't let the eye catching saves blind you yo his other obvious failings.
I just want this abysmal season to end, a demolition of the present team and a fresh start. Simple as that.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

bresslaw wrote:

A good shot-stopper that’s let in 60 league goals this season !

Jordan Pickford conceded 50 goals in 29 games for Sunderland. It's not the best stat to use when the defence in front is garbish.

I'm not arguing that Loach is anything special, however I would say he is good enough for this level if we can improve those in front of him.

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:14 am

Donnelly is one of the few players I would like to see stay, but I think his continued absence with a 'kick on the calf' signals that he is on his way, probably got another club lined up.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:20 am

Yeah forgot about Donnelley, can understand the arguement for Featherstone but how many times are we going to see Woods and Featherstone in midfield and us continuously being shit, it can’t be a coincidence no more. Hope Singh has got some deep pockets because it’ll cost more than the takeover to revamp this shower of shit on the pitch.

horden · **Posted:** Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:27 am

I would keep Hawkes, Richardson, Adams, Laing, Donnelly and Woods.

Adams and Laing I think with better players alongside them could improve.

Loach, big flaw in his game, in that he won't come off his line, thats probably why he is at this level, but probably get no better , as every keeper at this level will have faults of some kind, otherwise we may as well get Flinders back.

Woods, has proved what a player he can be in since just before Xmas. However I have my suspicions about why he is suddenly enjoying a run of games and form, is it just to put himself in shop window? his form took a bit of a dip , when he found out he wasnt going anywhere in transfer window, could be coincidence or an attitude problem, regardless I think he will be off anyway, just hope we get more than 100k for him , but I doubt it.

Cassidy, doesn't score enough goals -end of.

Oates and Rodney , these two are bloody hopeless, lucky for them the defence has taken most of the stick for our poor form, but these two in front of goal are abysmal. We could take a chance on Rodney, with coaching he may improve, but I wouldnt take the risk.

Magnay - plenty of passion , but not good enough imo.

The reality is though, I think most of the current squad will be here next season. Fookin marvellous !!!

Northshore · **Joined:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:34 pm **Posts:** 106

Oates is knackered after an hour every game. I know he does a lot of running but come on you’ve got to have more stamina than that.

I think Hignett will have seen enough of Laing in the last three games. He’ll be the first on his way surely. However, if he’s on a two year deal god help us cos no one is going to take him.

Northshore · **Joined:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:34 pm **Posts:** 106

Also something that people haven’t mebtioned about Loach as much as him not coming off his line is his inability to get the game going quickly. He hesitates when we could hit teams on the break, but then that probably comes down to him not trusting his full backs as well. The Solihull keeper was constantly distributing the ball quickly yesterday in contrast

horden · **Posted:** Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:39 am

Gateshead only conceded 40 goals all season, so signing a couple of their players wouldn't go amiss , assuming they would want to come here like.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37583

Northshore wrote:

Also something that people haven’t mebtioned about Loach as much as him not coming off his line is his inability to get the game going quickly. He hesitates when we could hit teams on the break, but then that probably comes down to him not trusting his full backs as well. The Solihull keeper was constantly distributing the ball quickly yesterday in contrast

Like Flinders, he holds the ball while the teams get into position, kicks it up the field and back it comes. There's been plenty of times the ball could have been rolled out quickly to a player, but no, it's launched up field.

Face Paint Army · **Joined:** Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:31 pm **Posts:** 226

Magnay is one of the worst footballers I have ever seen at Pools their centre forward brushed him off loads of times like he was swatting a fly.He was as bad as Hawkins yesterday and I think the entire squad could be scraped and just start again. If it wasn't for Loach we would have been 3 or 4 down by half time no wonder he has no confidence though playing behind that defence it must be a nightmare every game. I would look at who the high earners are at the club and try and get them off there pay packets first to free up some money for new players because none of the ones at the club at the moment are worth there money.

Monkeybutt · **Joined:** Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:22 pm **Posts:** 2428

horden wrote:

I would keep Hawkes, Richardson, Adams, Laing, Donnelly and Woods.

Adams and Laing I think with better players alongside them could improve.

Loach, big flaw in his game, in that he won't come off his line, thats probably why he is at this level, but probably get no better , as every keeper at this level will have faults of some kind, otherwise we may as well get Flinders back.

Woods, has proved what a player he can be in since just before Xmas. However I have my suspicions about why he is suddenly enjoying a run of games and form, is it just to put himself in shop window? his form took a bit of a dip , when he found out he wasnt going anywhere in transfer window, could be coincidence or an attitude problem, regardless I think he will be off anyway, just hope we get more than 100k for him , but I doubt it.

Cassidy, doesn't score enough goals -end of.

Oates and Rodney , these two are bloody hopeless, lucky for them the defence has taken most of the stick for our poor form, but these two in front of goal are abysmal. We could take a chance on Rodney, with coaching he may improve, but I wouldnt take the risk.

Magnay - plenty of passion , but not good enough imo.

The reality is though, I think most of the current squad will be here next season. Fookin marvellous !!!

Are you high on yeast fumes?

Laing is a calamity, an accident waiting to happen if you will, stick him next to Pique, Smalling, Stone or anybody with any skill and he will continue to be a dog turd player with no concentration, focus or aptitude for any sport other than an xbox fifa game.

horden · **Posted:** Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:49 pm

Monkeybutt wrote:

horden wrote:

I would keep Hawkes, Richardson, Adams, Laing, Donnelly and Woods.

Adams and Laing I think with better players alongside them could improve.

Loach, big flaw in his game, in that he won't come off his line, thats probably why he is at this level, but probably get no better , as every keeper at this level will have faults of some kind, otherwise we may as well get Flinders back.

Woods, has proved what a player he can be in since just before Xmas. However I have my suspicions about why he is suddenly enjoying a run of games and form, is it just to put himself in shop window? his form took a bit of a dip , when he found out he wasnt going anywhere in transfer window, could be coincidence or an attitude problem, regardless I think he will be off anyway, just hope we get more than 100k for him , but I doubt it.

Cassidy, doesn't score enough goals -end of.

Oates and Rodney , these two are bloody hopeless, lucky for them the defence has taken most of the stick for our poor form, but these two in front of goal are abysmal. We could take a chance on Rodney, with coaching he may improve, but I wouldnt take the risk.

Magnay - plenty of passion , but not good enough imo.

The reality is though, I think most of the current squad will be here next season. Fookin marvellous !!!

Are you high on yeast fumes?

Laing is a calamity, an accident waiting to happen if you will, stick him next to Pique, Smalling, Stone or anybody with any skill and he will continue to be a dog turd player with no concentration, focus or aptitude for any sport other than an xbox fifa game.

I did say, with better players around him he could improve. I can perfectly understand why others wouldn't give him another chance though, he has in the main been dreadful. Not sure about Smalling or Stones but Pique, haway Monkeybutt, he would bail Laing out, though I don't think Pique would like playing alongside Scott Harrison. :laugh:

Gonna take the chance on finally doing some gardening today, weather permitting, I must bake some bread though this week, havent made any for a couple of weeks.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Anyone have any idea whose out of contract? Who has another year?

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horden · **Posted:** Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:21 pm

Yubep wrote:

Anyone have any idea whose out of contract? Who has another year?

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Apparently that was first question Hignett asked. He is currently in negotiations with squad members with a view to extending contracts of any players who have played more than 10 games or scored a goal this season.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

In a weird way it’s probably a good thing we’ve been shite the last 2 home games with higgy n singh present. They can see how shite this team is

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Rudolph Hucker · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2017 3:59 pm **Posts:** 165

A mate of mine at the Maidstone game told me that he thought Oates is asthmatic???

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Hignett was a big fan of Featherstones wasnt he?

Bluestreak · **Posted:** Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:29 pm

I agree we need to replace quite a few players but are we just going to end up with recycled players of a similar standard and from similar clubs.
We need a top coach/manager to get whoever we have to excel a the first priority.
Either way its going to be a long haul so i think we will have to get used to this standard of football for a few years yet but crowds will suffer.
Not sure i can stand another season of this bilge.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

I couldn't get to the game on Saturday so heard Eddie Kyle absolutely slaughter Scott Loach on the radio commentary. Eddie normally talks a lot of sense but Loach is well into the black this season in terms of good saves made versus goals gifted by not commanding his area. He's my player of the year by a street, which admittedly is not saying much in a really poor team.

Donnelly is the only decent defender on the books but is basically a part-timer - 25 games this season, that's Matthew Bates territory! Pools should sell him if he's not out of contract and get rid of the rest, though I imagine Laing and Adams have a year left on their deals. Magnay was a Hignett signing and is less of a liability than those two (+ Harrison!), but he's bound to be a high earner so not worth giving another contract to.

So I'll have a new back four please Higgy, a defensive midfielder who isn't a crock, a pacy winger and a goalscoring forward. Cheers!

horden · **Posted:** Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:55 pm

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

I couldn't get to the game on Saturday so heard Eddie Kyle absolutely slaughter Scott Loach on the radio commentary. Eddie normally talks a lot of sense but Loach is well into the black this season in terms of good saves made versus goals gifted by not commanding his area. He's my player of the year by a street, which admittedly is not saying much in a really poor team.

Donnelly is the only decent defender on the books but is basically a part-timer - 25 games this season, that's Matthew Bates territory! Pools should sell him if he's not out of contract and get rid of the rest, though I imagine Laing and Adams have a year left on their deals. Magnay was a Hignett signing and is less of a liability than those two (+ Harrison!), but he's bound to be a high earner so not worth giving another contract to.

So I'll have a new back four please Higgy, a defensive midfielder who isn't a crock, a pacy winger and a goalscoring forward. Cheers!

A lot of time for Eddie Kyle, we seem to be on same wavelength, but he is always on Loach's case, to the point were I wonder if Loach has upset him at some stage. Loach has his faults, we all know what they are, but at this level , he is probably as good as you'll get for wages he will be on.

Monkeybutt · **Joined:** Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:22 pm **Posts:** 2428

horden wrote:

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

I couldn't get to the game on Saturday so heard Eddie Kyle absolutely slaughter Scott Loach on the radio commentary. Eddie normally talks a lot of sense but Loach is well into the black this season in terms of good saves made versus goals gifted by not commanding his area. He's my player of the year by a street, which admittedly is not saying much in a really poor team.

Donnelly is the only decent defender on the books but is basically a part-timer - 25 games this season, that's Matthew Bates territory! Pools should sell him if he's not out of contract and get rid of the rest, though I imagine Laing and Adams have a year left on their deals. Magnay was a Hignett signing and is less of a liability than those two (+ Harrison!), but he's bound to be a high earner so not worth giving another contract to.

So I'll have a new back four please Higgy, a defensive midfielder who isn't a crock, a pacy winger and a goalscoring forward. Cheers!

A lot of time for Eddie Kyle, we seem to be on same wavelength, but he is always on Loach's case, to the point were I wonder if Loach has upset him at some stage. Loach has his faults, we all know what they are, but at this level , he is probably as good as you'll get for wages he will be on.

One of the top earners.

horden · **Posted:** Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:36 pm

Monkeybutt wrote:

horden wrote:

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

I couldn't get to the game on Saturday so heard Eddie Kyle absolutely slaughter Scott Loach on the radio commentary. Eddie normally talks a lot of sense but Loach is well into the black this season in terms of good saves made versus goals gifted by not commanding his area. He's my player of the year by a street, which admittedly is not saying much in a really poor team.

Donnelly is the only decent defender on the books but is basically a part-timer - 25 games this season, that's Matthew Bates territory! Pools should sell him if he's not out of contract and get rid of the rest, though I imagine Laing and Adams have a year left on their deals. Magnay was a Hignett signing and is less of a liability than those two (+ Harrison!), but he's bound to be a high earner so not worth giving another contract to.

So I'll have a new back four please Higgy, a defensive midfielder who isn't a crock, a pacy winger and a goalscoring forward. Cheers!

A lot of time for Eddie Kyle, we seem to be on same wavelength, but he is always on Loach's case, to the point were I wonder if Loach has upset him at some stage. Loach has his faults, we all know what they are, but at this level , he is probably as good as you'll get for wages he will be on.

One of the top earners.

No wonder he always has a smiler on his face. I heard he was on 1k a week, in relation to other team members you could argue he has probably earned it, however on second thoughts, we probably could get a part timer on half the wage who could do as good a job.

Face Paint Army · **Joined:** Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:31 pm **Posts:** 226

Think the first defender Hignett will sign is Brad Walker !

horden · **Posted:** Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:42 pm

Wouldn't surprise me.

horden · **Posted:** Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:42 pm

Wouldn't surprise me.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:11 pm

Remember when we used to argue whether or not to keep Darryl Clarke. How the mighty have fallen.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37583

Er, no.

poolietim · **Posted:** Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:55 am

Bristol Rovers made a very brave decision when Clarke grasped relegation to the conference from the jaws of safety early in his tenure to keep him as boss. He came under a fair degree of stick for it.

I have little doubt we’d have sacked him in the same situation.

Not saying we should keep Bates by the way. Not sure what I’m saying I’ve not had enough caffeine yet.

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

horden wrote:

No wonder he always has a smiler on his face. I heard he was on 1k a week, in relation to other team members you could argue he has probably earned it, however on second thoughts, we probably could get a part timer on half the wage who could do as good a job.

Kyle said that Loach has cost Pools more points than any other player this season. I'm like you and generally agree with Kyles assesments, but that's clearly not true. He quite clearly has something against Loach for one reason or another. He was slating him for walking round and applauding the fans too.

congress_tart · **Posted:** Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:59 pm

I like Kyle but agree he goes OTT about Loach. I agree that it is Loach weakness, but not to the extent that Kyle says.

Listened to one game not long ago where I think he blamed Loach for both goals for not getting the crosses, then saw the highlights and he had no right going for either to be fair.

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