Hey bunkerites. Can anybody enlighten me?
Being at a distance from Hartlepool I have listened to the events and have my own thoughts about this mess as you all do. As a Trust member am I the only one who feels a little in the dark about this whole proposed takeover thing? If you buy a business OK you buy it or into it after looking at the books and making an informed decision as to whether you feel it is viable or otherwise. I realise there are confidentiality clauses but it seems to me that the majority of Pools fans haven't a clue what the true financial position with the club is? With this seemingly the position of most Pools fans, the Trust members are asked to get on board without really aware of what the implications might be. I appreciate what you lot are saying having followed the arguments for or against getting on board any proposed consortium but one big thing worries me and that is what is all this about litigation? Who are the individuals in this legal game? Surely we all have a right to know? Pick up any newspaper or look on-line and litigation takes place every day and we usually get to hear who is suing who? So does anybody on here know exactly who is suing who and on what grounds? It might seem a stupid question but I would like to know. With all the recent and no so recent shenangigans surrounding HUFC it would be good to hear that it is the club itself or any proposed consortium. However, it sounds as if it is another possible financial headache to be hanging over the club and any future owners and or stakeholders. I am not sitting on the fence here but feel ALL the facts should be put to Trust members and anybody else truly concerned with the future well-being of HUFC. Thanks in anticipation.

This is a very valid post, but is probably better aimed at the Trust - maybe using the Trust facebook page?

I guess you are right charco. But thought I would air the view on here as I appreciate the bunkerite responses, humour, insults and all the rest of it that goes to make us fans of HUFC. I bet the football powers that be popped the champagne corks the day that Hartlepool United eventually left the football league.

We will soon be back in the football league if borehamwood and aldershot are anything to go by. All we need is half decent owners.

Not sure why you are in the dark but it has been reported in both local papers this week that no takeover will go ahead until the litigation has been sorted out and the club have said they expect to have it cleared up very soon. Fairly sure it was the main reason Musgrave walked away as well and according to the papers it is someone talking legal action against the football club. I think if the Trust knew who it was and the amounts they wouldnt be able to tell us anyway if it could end up in the courts.

Im not sure what else fans actually need to know. It was stated last week if we can get nearly 1.8 million together we might be saved for the next 3 years. We will get rid of the con artists and move on. Its pretty simple stuff if fans want a club in the national league next year back stelling and singh. If they dont we start as a phoenix club. Litegation may prevent any of this but apart from that its quite straight forward.

Completely agree with tothehartlepool2-0 we are being asked to donate a substantial amount of money via the trust but have very little information on which to decide wether or not to contribute. Everything is to be kept secret because of the NDA why is that, they want our money but we are not allowed to see information needed to decide wether or not to put money into the club.

The football powers to be in my opinion will be over the moon to see
All northeast clubs go to the wall, watch, listen and read, the north for some
Is Manchester, Leeds, watch out Carlisle!

I really do get where you are coming from BUT..... at this stage, with the restrictions of the DNA, the options are trust the Trust and financiallyback their part in the consortium or....... support the inevitable Phoenix club.

Double post

Yes, blindly put money into a consortium alongside a man who has pulled the plug on your local rivals.
What you have to remember is Stelling is only hearing Singhs version of events which change regularly according to what socks he has on that day.
Stelling is a fan who wants his club to survive at the highest level possible, just like any fan would. However this is bound to cloud his judgement in dealing with Singh. Singh will say what he wants to hear, just like he did with us, all the talk about plans for the next few years, heard it all before. I honestly don't know how you can trust this man. All up to you of course, but even his recent history shows that he thinks nothing of walking away when the going is tough or he doesnt get the answers he wants.

i dont trust singh on the information available....pam is worse than clueless and in appointing bates has consigned us to relegation....jeff is jeff and his heart is ruling his head...afraid after 50 yrs ive given up....phoenix club will have the money i have available if it happens ....bye bye

"bates has consigned us to relegation..."

Could you possibly explain that assumption ?

Mr Loan Star we get it, he's the devil incarnate you are becoming a cracked record. We take your comments on board you don't need to keep repeating them.

I don't think any of us are naïve enough not to have concerns or trust the man completely due to history with you but these are a different set of circumstances. One thing is for sure he didn't set out to lose a fair bit of money at Darlo, he did. Pools are a completely different set of circumstances to what Darlo were, or financial position to a degree is false. He certainly won't be setting out to fail here after what happened with you.

Onto the Pools fans, I understand the concerns absolutely but unless a billionaire Pools fan turns up any outcome will involve concern. But I don't understand the confusion. It would be great if everything was in the public domain but some things just can't be. We know about an ongoing Police investigation regarding the previous people who were masquerading as owners for less than two seasons, I think that tells us all we need to know and why for the time being.

In simple terms this is the situation and I don't see the confusion; we have two choices. One we are behind it and the club survives or we aren't and we are likely to be starting again in at best the Evostick second tier. I'm prepared for both outcomes but surely the best one is the former? It's that simple. The trust set out to get a seat on the board, this makes it viable with two other individuals one being the clubs most high profile fan and one of the most high profile fans of any club investing cash. With a solid, sensisble business plan and everyone pulling in the same direction I see no reason why the club should end up back in this position again. If we get back into the club League the club should run at a profit.

Most business people will say what a person wants to hear. Football is littered with business people who have failed at some clubs and had success at others, Ken Bates, Sullivan, Brady etc.

PJ makes some good points, the most pertinent one for me, that Singh won't want to fail again at Pools. Of course unscrupulous business people can make money out of failure these days, but if our mistrust of Singh goes that deep, then there's no hope really. We have to trust him , sceptical as I am , its our only hope, regardless of having been shat on in the past , trusting Coxhall etc.

My point is Stelling has only got Singhs version of events which changes frequently, People who dealt with him at Darlo both in the administration and last year when he tried to get involved again have also posted on this board with warnings about him.
Fair enough, don't heed the warnings. But you stand to lose a shed load of trust money and also any goodwill from other football fans for getting in bed with someone like Singh.

Lets not mess around here !How deep are your Pockets ??

I completely agree unfortunately!!!!

Me too. The Trust needs to keep a fund in reserve.

I share the confusion and I don't really know what I'm being asked to put my money into. I also think the lack of transparency is worrying. Normally when you put money into a company via a rights issue or IPO you have documents that set out the historic accounts as well a projections for the future, a clear statement of the Board and management team, and a statement from the Chairman. We have not seen any of this. Singh has not made any public statement. Jeff speaks to the Mail but by his own admission he is not a businessman. Before I put any money in I would like to see this information and I would like to know what I get for my money. I don't appear to even get shares in the club. What we are being asked to do is to donate money in a Bob Geldorf style 'give us your fuc*ing money' style scheme.

If the Trust see the Stelling/Singh option as the best solution I am unsure what the Trust gets for the cash they put in. A seat on the Board is of no value if one owner has 80% of the shares. Most decisions will be made by the Chairman or Chief Executive without Board approval. The Board might only meet once a year to sign off the accounts. The very minimum the Trust should negotiate with Singh is an option to purchase the football share for £1 if the club enters any future administration or liquidation so Singh will not be able to hold fans to ransom as he did at Darlo or if that's not legally deliverable the Trust should hold the share on behalf of HUFC..

I'd also make him sign an agreement that he wants Sage to do regarding their money owed too.

It's the only solution apart from liquidation.

So translated , that could read as, get shafted today or tomorrow , that is the choice.

Which makes it all the more important that we don't throw all of our Trust eggs into the consortium basket.

They have said if the consortium goes ahead they will join that and if it doesnt they will use the money to start a phoenix club how is that putting all their eggs in one basket ? Like MR I says it is either Singh or liquidation and Trust money will be used for one or the other but if they don't have money then they cant do either what is so hard to understand about that because there is no point being a safety net if you are never going to use it ?

and if the consortium goes t*ts up?

and if Singh changes his mind and pulls the plug?

I am not saying don't support the consortium but we would be foolish in the extreme to not contemplate the possibility that it all falls apart.

We MUST keep a reserve fund JUST IN CASE or we would have nothing to fall back on.

Did you make that picture?

Random picture thread?

What do the Easter eggs represent?

What do the eggs represent?

Why is coxall a scare crow?

Who is the wolf representing?

Is the big bad wolf an Easter story?

Also, where is Humphreys on Battlecat?

Since when do the Trust have a shed?

I never voted for a shed when i signed up to the trust.

FUCK THE SHED

Where are the duchamps/happy socks?

Ah so these bastards at the helm of the trust have been fundraising for a shed all along!

Is the beetroot to dye our faces?

i think this one is more apt

The Why Bird!!

Rust?

Is the egg Humphrey’s


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Where's cabbage?

It might say "rust" if you have a shitty Galaxy that displays in black and white only yes.

Taking a piss outside but that doesnt matter, I was hoping the picture clarified the Club/Trust position in relation to Singh and Stelling etc.

Humphrey’s what?

Humphrey’s Egg

humptys looking lean.

So it's Stelling v Blackledge in a 1v1 on Rust?

Rust Green?

On copper, yes.