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 Post subject: Would it not be in the clubs and fans best interest
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:09 pm 
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For any potential new investors/owners and the trust to just sit back and let the current mob in charge walk away with nothing, we take the hits that are thrown at us and start again.

Its coming anyway isn,t it sctatchinghead so lets prepare for the worst and deal with it.

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Would it not feel good to see a Facebook post from yourself shared hundreds of times though asking to raise funds now?

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Raising money just to pay a months salaries plus other bills ( i.e debt repayment) will be music to sages ears. Any monies raised needs to be ring fenced for starting again. I cannot believe people cannot see this would just be delaying the inevitable until February's wage bill is due for payment. Nobody is giving sage 1.8 million for the club, what do you think the assets of HUFC are worth? If somebody paid over the odds for a car six month ago and need to sell because they cannot afford the running costs do you give them what they paid or what the cars worth.


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As I understand it Sage lent Coxhall the money on the strength of the Mill House Master plan so i think the right thing to do would be for Sage to split the club and the Masterplan and they could then allow the loss making club to be taken over by the trust and they could keep any proceed from the Masterplan.


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I can’t believe people are willing to hand over cash with zero transparency, clarity or official line from the club. How much of that £200,000 is to pay the chairperson and consultants they are taking on? How much back to Sage on the loan at what interest rate?

With some transparency, if they opened up the books and said we owe this to the Tax Man and we have to pay this back a month due the mess left by Coxall and Goldberg but we have some serious and credible people interested in taking the club forward then I’d be more comfortable will buying time. But the more the club stays silent the more suspisicous I get.

Then what if £200,000 is raised, when does the next campaign begin the 26th? The club plods along pouring money into a black hole with a completely unsustainable business plan and unmanagable debt. Plus if the club does enter Administration Sage stand to lose a lot of money, it is not in Mr Backledges interests for the club to go into Administration which makes you wonder if people are being played for mugs here? It’s a horrible situation and many people who love the club and mean well are sadly doing exactly what needed to be avoided here, throwing good money at bad. It is so frustrating to see. Any money has got to be ring fenced and used as a contingency\fighting fund the second the club goes into Administration. Sage could have called peoples bluff and come up trumps here.


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mugsy wrote:
As I understand it Sage lent Coxhall the money on the strength of the Mill House Master plan so i think the right thing to do would be for Sage to split the club and the Masterplan and they could then allow the loss making club to be taken over by the trust and they could keep any proceed from the Masterplan.


The masterplan was pie in the sky horse shit that was never going to happen in a million years, that came to fore again to distract people from what was actually going on, asset stripping. Sage were taken in by the chancer and we’re all paying the price. That’s my take on it. I reckon Mr Blue has more chance of becoming a moderator on the Bunker than the Masterplan ever happening the very mention of it makes me feel bilious it’s the type of thing that attracts leeches like Coxall and Goldberg in the first place.


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I think that is Mugsy point, let Sage have nothing, as they are the ones who have royally f*cked up here.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:27 pm 
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For any potential new investors/owners and the trust to just sit back and let the current mob in charge walk away with nothing, we take the hits that are thrown at us and start again.

Its coming anyway isn,t it sctatchinghead so lets prepare for the worst and deal with it.


i think a game of brinkmanship is unfolding and you may be correct. but we are all not in full possession of all the facts.

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 Post subject: Re: Would it not be in the clubs and fans best interest
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Yes let the club go and start again where ever that may be. This whole situation is why the unscrupulous specimens involved with the running of Hartlepool and various other clubs get involved.

Your in charge and you spend the money anyway you want with nobody to answer to and even at Pools level you are talking millions of pounds a year. Pay yourself an over inflated salary that has no relation to your skills experience or knowledge. Set up a consultancy and also pay that company which is in fact yourself for helping yourself out doing your own job. Borrow loads of money with no intention what so ever of paying it back and blow the lot on yourself one way or another.

Before people say that was Gary not saint Pam well without seeing the books which anybody has as much chance of seeing as a purple unicorn. Pam, sage and whoever who are running the show are in my humble have done and are doing very nicely out of a business that is potless. Why can nobody see the books probably because on a footballing level without all the made up management fees and inflated salaries non playing Pools make a profit and easily have over the last 12 months probably for a lot longer.

Even more so now as the generous charitable folk of the worldwide web are going to stump up 200 grand for free happy days. Pam will of had the Bollinger out tonight to wash down the caviar and roast swan she has probably had for her tea. A noble gesture by all that have but probably the icing on the cake for Pam, Sage and probably Coxhall when the truth comes out.

Without being emotional about it you cannot blame them. Free money the greatest money of all and when the flogged horse is dead somebody will pay you top dollar for the dead horse. It is almost hilarious. Do not give them a penny and give them what they deserve nothing and let's see what happens after that.


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Yes let the club go and start again where ever that may be. This whole situation is why the unscrupulous specimens involved with the running of Hartlepool and various other clubs get involved.

Your in charge and you spend the money anyway you want with nobody to answer to and even at Pools level you are talking millions of pounds a year. Pay yourself an over inflated salary that has no relation to your skills experience or knowledge. Set up a consultancy and also pay that company which is in fact yourself for helping yourself out doing your own job. Borrow loads of money with no intention what so ever of paying it back and blow the lot on yourself one way or another.

Before people say that was Gary not saint Pam well without seeing the books which anybody has as much chance of seeing as a purple unicorn. Pam, sage and whoever who are running the show are in my humble have done and are doing very nicely out of a business that is potless. Why can nobody see the books probably because on a footballing level without all the made up management fees and inflated salaries non playing Pools make a profit and easily have over the last 12 months probably for a lot longer.

Even more so now as the generous charitable folk of the worldwide web are going to stump up 200 grand for free happy days. Pam will of had the Bollinger out tonight to wash down the caviar and roast swan she has probably had for her tea. A noble gesture by all that have but probably the icing on the cake for Pam, Sage and probably Coxhall when the truth comes out.

Without being emotional about it you cannot blame them. Free money the greatest money of all and when the flogged horse is dead somebody will pay you top dollar for the dead horse. It is almost hilarious. Do not give them a penny and give them what they deserve nothing and let's see what happens after that.


This is the only way that I see of getting rid of the scum, scoundrels and neer-do-wells that have fleeced us and dragged the good name of HUFC through the dirt, without even a laundrette to clean up.

The only people that care about HUFC are the FANS.

It is the FANS that are the way forward.

We are never going to be a premiership club with all of those business and ownership implications, but as we never have been that isn't a problem.

A Supporters run club could happily challenge for league 1 during times of abundance and struggle in league 2 when the players are just not up to it.

BUT they would be OUR team and WE would follow them to the ends of the earth, critically, vociferously and faithfully.


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 Post subject: Re: Would it not be in the clubs and fans best interest
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Mr Sage walked away back in December and as far as I am aware never drew a salary from the club.
Pam on the other hand does, likewise the clueless Head of Recruitment. The £120k they said was needed to run the club has now magically jumped to £200k and they are STILL to publish accounts to show where it is going.
Didn't the Trust say that Supporters Direct had advised fans not to hand over any money until there were guarantees in place that it would go where it was needed ? I feel for long standing legitimate employees of the club but as it stands no guarantees they would see any of this money if it is handed over.


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£200K gets you a top class accountant who cannot even budget for a whole season based on incomings which are largely determined in advance (parachute payments, season tickets and sponsorship deals), she is either incompetent at her job or Sage had no intention of sticking around for long when she was pleading for fans to buy season tickets over the summer.


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Who in their right mind gives money to somebody who has fucked you over and you expect them to do the honourable thing, really????, think about that for a second......, anything :idea:

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 Post subject: Re: Would it not be in the clubs and fans best interest
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To be honest given the current desperate scenario and with many of the NL clubs around or below Pools currently snapping up FL players on loan, we will be hard pressed to scrape together sufficient points to stay up - with or without a points deduction. This is especially so given the lack of quality and current state of mind of the players coupled with the negative influence of he who must not be mentioned. Let no-one be in any doubt that the risks involved with going into Administration are real and maybe not fully appreciated by those who believe that this may be the preferred way of HUFC wriggling out of this mess.


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Relegation is surely preferably to taking on outrageous legacy debt that, certainly, the trust can't afford.
I'm not sure of the longer term impact such being allowed to only drop one division etc but with the right people in charge dropping down one level wouldn't bother me.


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Let no-one be in any doubt that the risks involved with going into Administration are real and maybe not fully appreciated by those who believe that this may be the preferred way of HUFC wriggling out of this mess.

'Wriggling out...?' Where are you coming from exactly? You've spent the season preaching doom, gloom, hellfire and damnation and now appear to be saying 'Whoa, whoa, hang on, let's not rush into anything hasty here' So are you for Administration or against it....?

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This could be happening soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Would it not be in the clubs and fans best interest
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Snowy wrote:
Smokin Joe wrote:
Let no-one be in any doubt that the risks involved with going into Administration are real and maybe not fully appreciated by those who believe that this may be the preferred way of HUFC wriggling out of this mess.

'Wriggling out...?' Where are you coming from exactly? You've spent the season preaching doom, gloom, hellfire and damnation and now appear to be saying 'Whoa, whoa, hang on, let's not rush into anything hasty here' So are you for Administration or against it....?


Firstly, at least you are correct on one point - I have indeed spent the season 'preaching doom, gloom, hellfire and damnation' - and I've been abused and crucified for doing so, however I obviously take absolutely no satisfaction in seeing my club in its current desperate position. Secondly, like many others, at this stage I am neither for nor against Administration - I am merely pointing out that there are specific and significant risks in actually choosing to go down that route. This is a time for cool heads and logical thinking - decisions made in the heat of the moment today may be regretted in the fullness of time i.e. be careful what you wish for.

Having said that I do not want the shysters currently in 'control' of the club receive a penny of the monies that are currently being raised until such time that they open up the books and the dubious dealings of recent seasons are laid bare - to the Trust at least, if no-one else.


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Sorry to hear that you are suffering fella but viewing the current mess through sleep depravation and a 'cocktail of opium based painkillers' would seem to be preferable to having a clear head and appreciating exactly what is going on at HUFC.

As I see it, if there is a will to save the club between the current owners, potential buyers (if they actually exist) and the Trust, not to mention the FA/PFA who will surely not wish to see the club fold and the players summarily dumped in the dole queue without a fight, then a way out of this mess can still be realised.

As you say this is unlikely to happen within the next 7/8 days therefore we need either a) a prospective buyer or b) a sympathetic benefactor to stump up the difference between whatever sum the fans can raise in the short term and the £200k that Duxbury claims is necessary to pay the bills this month. That would allow 5 weeks or so for any buyer to proceed far enough down the line to gain confidence that they are going to be successful in completing the deal and provide funding accordingly.


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I can’t believe people are willing to hand over cash with zero transparency, clarity or official line from the club. How much of that £200,000 is to pay the chairperson and consultants they are taking on? How much back to Sage on the loan at what interest rate?

With some transparency, if they opened up the books and said we owe this to the Tax Man and we have to pay this back a month due the mess left by Coxall and Goldberg but we have some serious and credible people interested in taking the club forward then I’d be more comfortable will buying time. But the more the club stays silent the more suspisicous I get.

Then what if £200,000 is raised, when does the next campaign begin the 26th? The club plods along pouring money into a black hole with a completely unsustainable business plan and unmanagable debt. Plus if the club does enter Administration Sage stand to lose a lot of money, it is not in Mr Backledges interests for the club to go into Administration which makes you wonder if people are being played for mugs here? It’s a horrible situation and many people who love the club and mean well are sadly doing exactly what needed to be avoided here, throwing good money at bad. It is so frustrating to see. Any money has got to be ring fenced and used as a contingency\fighting fund the second the club goes into Administration. Sage could have called peoples bluff and come up trumps here.


That's the second time I agree with you in 24 months :wink:

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If the club went into Administration the first thing the Trust would be hit with if it tried to step in would be a bill for around £200k for the fees of the Administrator. As well as a minimum 10 point deduction.

I've been hospitalised this week with kidney stones, and my head is still somewhat fugged by a combination of 4 sleepless nights and too many opium based painkillers, but I have been watching events unfold with an increasing sense of horror and foreboding.

It is hard to see how this can possibly end well unless someone buys the club in the next week or so. This may still happen, but it does beg the question why this wasn't all out in the open long before the back end of December. It really does leave little or no time for any due diligence to be completed.


Why is it £200k ? That sounds like a crazy figure when compared to other companies that go into administration?

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