If he played his cards right and stayed with us, or did we get rid of him, he wouldn’t be up against Andy Carroll this afternoon. Always rated him.

The story I heard is his girlfriend didn’t settle here at he asked to leave shortly after signing.

Had the physical attributes to be decent but always had a mistake or two in him. What I'd give to have him over Harrison and Laing though.

As for his girlfriend not settling, Hartlepool just doesn't compare with Grimsby. Shrewsbury isn't hugely better.

If you are to believe local journalists he’s one of the worst players to ever pull on a shirt apparently.

Just another player that if we weren’t in the shit and had decent coaches would probably be a pretty good player for us. Mistakes can be eradicated, he had the talent!

For whatever reason Nsiala was utter shite when he was here - fact. Perhaps he was deliberately playing beneath himself in order to enable him get away and play under his old manager but that's how it was.

Revisionism at best.

What is it exactly you are smoking, Joe?

Smokin a crack pipe Joe?

The terrace philosophers have driven a few players out over the years. They have high standards.

sometimes you have to accept people have their own opinions but this is complete horse shit.

if you base someone on being shit on 1 mistake regardless of performance for rest of the game then well best to be ignored.

Tough, that is my opinion of Nsiala - from the awful gaffe in his opening game I never rated him - his performances got progressively worse and he clearly did not want to be here. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that players can deliberately underperform in order to escape from a situation that does not suit them or maybe their spouse/family. Amond effectively repeated the episode this season. Yet again anyone who esports differing opinions on this board is abused accordingly. Not that this bothers me in the slightest- wake up and smell the coffee guys xx

My argument is not that Nsiala hasn't got talent as the guy clearly must have to hold down a place in a side at the top of L1 - although this must also be associated with having much better players around him. I am saying that I did not rate him whilst he was here and with hindsight that must have been a combination of his missus being unsettled and having to play with a group of players who as subsequent events have proved were well beneath him. It seems obvious that he was tapped up by his former manager and ultimately got what he wanted which was what proved to be a career-changing move for him.

Yes Nsiala totally rubbish because someone gets a coaching badge catchphrase for their birthday. Toto he always has a mistake in him. Load of tripe was nearly as bad as Peter Hartley, Jake Carroll, the much maligned Rakish Bingham and the previously mention in this thread Amond. All of these along with various others past players will never ply their trade at the appalling level we currently operate never mind lower which looks distinctly possible with the current bunch of talentless articles we currently have. However 90 percent of supporters were glad to see the back of them. Other managers or coaches can see things in them and get performances out of them but not at pools.

It has always baffled me how certain players at pools are the subject of ridiculous criticism regardless of their performances or potential talent. When others who have absolutely nothing about them what so ever are praised with worse performances than those who get dogs abuse.

Well you know Joe made his mind up after that 1st mistake in his first game as he said. Forget the other games and at least 2 outstanding man of match performances I saw

I didn't make up my mind on Nsiala purely on the basis of his iniital gaffe but this hardly helped his cause after the usual hype surrounding his signing for Pools. You could be right Dalts either I really am going senile and cannot remember these outstanding performances or I must have blinked and missed them - or maybe even Toto during his time here really did stand out amongst the dross on occasion. As gwg alludes to his unconvincing spell at the club was more than partly the result of the malaise that has hung over the club for the majority of the last decade resulting in a combination of poor quality management and coaching personnel that are unable to bring players on or enable them to play anywhere near their potential - coupled with piss-poor squads of course .

I stand by my view that Nsiala very quickly realised that he did not want to be here or was persuaded to take this stance by his missus - although I do concede that verbal abuse by fans (not myself I hasten to add) may also have influenced his opinion of the club & consequently the town.

Would that the current excuse for a defensive unit (regardless of who actually plays) each made just one glaring error per game - we would probably be comfortable in mid-table looking at a push for the play-offs.

I think my issue, and this isn't aimed at you Smokin Joe, is that there are a considerable amount of fans at Pools which make their minds up about players and that's it.

They can only see shite and look for shite, they then spend the rest of the time either abusing them at games or on the Internet. Seems like there is a minority who judge based on performances game by game or potential.

I've said before I'm an exile so don't get to all the games anymore so hold back in making comments about players I haven't seen much of. Last season after his first game many seem to have made their mind up he was shite and that's it, the 2 or 3 live games I did see at the start of that season I think he was man of the match in 2 of them and you could see he had many excellent attributes. I accept having watched the Pools player highlights of every game he was prone to the odd rush of blood and reckless tackle as well which stood out.

Ultimately football is always gonna be a game of opinions and everyone is entitled to one. But as others have pointed out, quite a few who were labelled shite recently are doing a lot better than Pools right now which tells its own story

I hear what you are saying however i think Toto is probably an exception. I can't recall too many fans slagging the likes of Amond and Thomas although both had lengthy periods when they were ineffective for one reason or another. I did rate Alessandra and was saddened when he was permitted to join Notts County - he would have been a very useful asset in this Godforsaken league. However I didn't rate Carroll as a left back - although he is in and out of the team at Cambridge I dare say that one or two of the current much-derided squad (Donnelly, Woods, Featherstone) could still hold their own in L2 in a similar manner (and may shortly be given an opportunity to do so).

Neither did I rate Josh Laurent who was quickly found out at Wigan as most of us expected and is a regular on the bench at Bury who will shortly be revisiting the FL basement - I'm not sure if he is on loan or has actually signed for Bury. Either way, look out for his name on the list of players released come May.

Some supporters see what they want to see and stay in that mindset regardless. They take a dislike to a player, sometimes not even football related, and stick to it. They have an inflexible mindset someone defined as 'player bad, player go'.
I can now see how over several years we've brought players in on loan who've started off really well then turned to mediocre within a couple of weeks. There's something not been right for a while at the club, just what is it though?

Good article here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/06/shrewsbury-town-defender-aristote-nsiala-looking-forward-battle/

Sounds like he is adored by his fans and is responding to it with performances on the pitch.

Better than abuse on your debut.

one performance straight away which should stand out is at home to luton.

featherstone got sent off, we were severely under the cosh against a team chasing promotion and yet toto was outstanding. No problem if people are fair but I reckon he had as many man of match performances as he made gaffes.

one performance straight away which should stand out is at home to luton.

featherstone got sent off, we were severely under the cosh against a team chasing promotion and yet toto was outstanding. No problem if people are fair but I reckon he had as many man of match performances as he made gaffes.

one performance straight away which should stand out is at home to luton.

featherstone got sent off, we were severely under the cosh against a team chasing promotion and yet toto was outstanding. No problem if people are fair but I reckon he had as many man of match performances as he made gaffes.

you can say that again ...