JUST LEAVE NOW LEAVE NOW HARRISON GET RONNIE MOORE IN NOW

Ronnie Moore

You want Harrison to get Ronnie Moore in? Does he even know him?

Fucking hell, I agree with Monkeybutt!

I knew this day would come

We need my Aunty Agnes !

Me mams uncle Bill could have took over, he was a reasonable manager...but he's dead. Mind you.........

If we sack Harrison we’ve possibly waited to long. Justin Edinburgh was probably the best option out there.

BRING BACK
MOORE, FENWICK AND PAYNTER!!

PASSSHHUUUNNNN!!!!!

I’d appoint Collins me.

What’s Neale Cooper doing?

Recovering from heart failure... don't think he'd be up for the task!

Jason Ainsley would be a decent candidate - but this guy HAS to go now!!!

The secret of success is keeping your head whilst all around you are loosing theirs!

not the full shilling

If ever 45 minutes of football should be the downfall of a manager, the second half at Dover was it.
We completely dominated possession but never had a decent goal scoring opportunity. Dover with scraps of possession scored twice.
Harrison does not appreciate that possession football with slow build up lets defences get back and block attempts on goal.
The manager is not in tune with what is needed to produce results in the NL. He must GO !

No more unprovens.

Sadly proven managers won't come to a team midtable in the conference with no scope for building their own team.

If you believe that you haven't quite grasped the situation we're in.

Just when you think things cannot get any worse, its not like PAM did not back Harrison pre season, she did. I was chuffed when he got the job.......just shows be careful what you wish for. Hate to admit it but he just is not up to the job, and nor are his coaching team. No idea where to go from here, I cannot see we can afford to pay them off and chance a late run to the play offs, I just hope the severance agreement is affordable.

He should have been given the job after that Stevenage game we wouldn,t have gone down.

Don't normally buy into this thinking, and I laughed at teams like Palace and Everton when they did it this season, mainly because I don't think they needed to, but I'd like to see us appoint someone who's got bags of experience at this level.

Appointing Collins would be another gamble on someone with very little experience at this level, like Harrison, like Hignett, like Colin Cooper.

The last manager who did a good job from start to finish was probably John Hughes. And he was off the 'managerial merry-go-round' and was completely unconnected to the club. I think we'd benefit from that.

I really don't get the clamour for Sam Collins, for me he's a figure synonymous with failure at the club.

I agree. The bloke was involved right through the slide and as club captain for a lot of it.

What Ainsley & Miller lack in experience they more than make up for in hunger - whether they would consider a mid-term switch to their former club is debatable especially with Spenny riding high in National League North. Thanks to the efforts of Coxall, Jones and latterly Harrison who has squandered 'one of the biggest playing budget's in the Bananarama League on nonentity journeymen professionals. Sadly, HUFC is a 'big club' in name only now - it is a veritable dinosaur with far too many professionals who simply haven't got what it takes to succeed at this level bleeding the club dry. Assuming that they intend to stick around at the end of the current campaign the owners need to re-think club strategy and cut the cloth to fit accordingly, i.e. scrap the youth team, get rid of the luxury specialist coaches, slash the professionalsto a bare minimum who consistently perform and introduce some quality, hard-working part-timers. With the right man at the helm then maybe, just maybe a realistic play-off push may be realised.

Trouble is, its hardly the most attractive job in football. Who would actually want the job?

Mediocre wages, no funds, a large squad of average non league players, low morale, unhappy fans, uncertain future. In a dying town in the middle of nowhere. Theres not much to recommend the job.

Fish n chips are nice down seaton.

Nice beach for the players to train on.

There will still be 100+ applicants Mr I - included 15+ decent ones - unfortunately the rookie owners made a poor choice last time and I have no confidence in them not doing so again.

Presumably they were involved in appointing Dave Jones and Matty Bates. Their record isn't great is it.

Ainsley and Miller are not full-time.They’d have to give up their secure day jobs in Teaching and coaching.I certainly wouldn’t if I was them!

Bates has a 50% win record. Only over 2 games but the win was against the division champions and it came within a few minutes of keeping Pools in the Football League.

It's pretty clear that the current obsession with stat and 'lets make the whole team watch a video of the game 3 times to point out the their individual mistakes' approach comes from Harrison and Jenkins.

I think Bates is very likely to get another go as caretaker if those two get the boot.

How about Armstrong and Miller then? Couldn't make us any more of a laughing stock.

Nick Barmby, Micky Adams, Alan Stubbs, Neil Redfearn, Martin Ling, Paul Hart, Brian Laws and Martin Allen all listed as available. Not sure who'd be willing to drop this far but we've surely got to be more of a pull than most in this league.

Martin Allen dropped to this league with Barnet. Not sure he'd come up north like.

Bates was nothing better than jones he setup the team like they all do at the moment not to concede. Then when it goes wrong try another containing formation which then resulted in putting as many up top as possible then lumping it forward. It wasn't a tactical genius it was pure luck. He's part of the problem not the solution he works everyday with the current management and if he believes it's a train crash we should walk away from it. But I suggest it's like this time at pools unprofessional and here for every penny he can drain from the club the last stop off.

Pam and everyone associated with her aren't heroes there just trying to get there cash they allowed the last mob to pinch. Us as the fans are still paying and will do for there incompetence. The club needs a total clear out from top to bottom.

What a job for a manager who knows his stuff. What an opportunity. We are at an all time low. The new guy would have nothing to lose, unless he somehow gets us relegated. The owners have allowed 29 players. we get 3500 crowds despite being shite, someone somewhere will sort this shit out.

The players are shit, the club is shit, the next manager will be shit. Anyone with half a brain wouldn't come here. I doubt Neil Aspin or Jack Lester would of. We really are in a mess that only an injection of money can solve, and therein lies the problem.

We need a John Coleman, Paul Cook type of manager but out of those we could possibly afford and attract I would go Alun Armstrong ( Blyth ) or Gary Mills or possibly Ainsley. Its not long ago we would of thought of these managers as being beneath us, but ffs! we are not far playing at their level now, so why not. I know some will say Harrison came from similar background, but Harrison always came across to me as one of the new breed of FIFA/Championship manager gamers type managers , clueless, waffler.

This Pam mob have no chance now of getting there money back.
All heading towards the club being run by the fans and volunteers.
Mite piss off the anti - trust brigade but thats the way i see it.

If a Trust ran the club though, it would be run by an army of volunteers, only organised and on their terms , not a rabble , dothing their cap to owners laughing their socks off at daft b*stards willing to buy a season ticket , then run the club for nowt as well.

My view, and its at odds with some trust directors is that fan ownership is inevitable and soon. This is not because I want an ego trip as some would have it, its because in the absence of a huge lottery win, its the only realistic and sustainable model for a club like Pools. The only people who have shown an interest in taking it over are Coxberg clones.

It would be run by volunteers with a regularly changing board. Everyone would have to chip in with funds and/or skills. Sales professionals could sell the hospitality and sponsorship - and it would be a far better sell as a community owned club. Hartlepool born lawyers, accountants, marketing people, tradesmen. People who will man the gate for now't catering by people who love the town and club who do it for now't. Security, drivers, in fact every aspect of the club. There would be room for everyone who was willing to offer their services.

The community method ensures that no one is taking money out. The income goes to make the club sustainable and build a future. Make no mistake, we are where Wrexham were a few years ago. It's going to take time.

There would have to be a regular contribution scheme too. I'm up for a grand a year. Two if needs be. Plenty of others would too. I had a long chat with Jeff Stelling last night, he's up for contributing and I believe that a lot of people and businesses would too. But, and its a huge but. While petty bitching continues and people are attacked for doing nothing other than working toward the clubs future then it has no chance.

I address this to all groups. If we continue to fight amongst ourselves Hartlepool United FC will not exist within a matter of months. I know all the other groups read this board because things are re-reported within minutes. It's time to stop sniping and point scoring. Everyone must get on the same side or we will not have a football club. I'm not overly hopeful.

But things really are that serious. Pools are in the worst position in the clubs history and it can only be turned round by being community owned. Hartlepool United could easily cease to exist within three months.

Agree ! I forecast this nearly probably nearly 10 years ago now, and got shot down in flames on here for being negative and a naysayer. Hartlepool born Lawyers and Accountants running the show does worry me a bit though LOL! I don't believe you have to be an intellectual or have letters behind your name to run a football club successfully , but the members will decide that eventually.

I think for a Trust to be successful it should looking at a membership of around 2000 , ideally 3000, don't know how this compares with other clubs of similar size. Obviously at the moment it looks like more chance of membership decreasing than increasing, that is first obstacle that needs to be overcome.

Like you though, I'm not overly hopeful either. Looks like it could be the hard way, extinction then??? then Hartlepool 1908 in Northern League, now that would make Darlington supporters chuckle.

A point of clarification Ronnie. I meant lawyers and accountants chipping in with skillsets rather than running the show.

I'm sounding like a Socialist!

On membership, we're way ahead of the game of most others in terms of percentage of attendance as membership. The base line figure that Supporters Direct quote is 10%. Most people are passive by nature rather than joiners and doers.

I'm personally of the opinion that we should stick with Harrison. Last year I worked with Halifax and in January it looked like Billy Heath was gone (and rightly so), they hadn't won in 2 months over 10 games and had just lost to a Stalybridge side that had around 8pts from 23 games. They didn't sack him, they kept their man and they got promoted.

The team rallied around Heath and in the dressing room Heath used the animosity against him and the players to his advantage. From my personal experience, watching a team preserve can lead to great things and I hope Harrison can persevere here and turn things around... but then we all want Harrison to be a success don't we?

Point taken John. You mean experts in their chosen field ? the type of people who are running the country at the moment

An idea of mine would be, assuming season tickets are cheap again next season, would be for those who can afford it, to pay more on a voluntary basis , or every adult pay more and let kids in for peanuts, young supporters are the clubs future, speculate now , accumulate later. But don't see why either I or those on the Trust should be putting these ideas forward, when the club employ so called experts in their field to run the club.

I have given up on the club ever been run properly , so I believe the Trust should bank as much money as possible , through increased membership and other fundraising initiatives in readiness for the fateful day.

Then put me down for running the club shop , real ale bar or programme editor

Mr. I , I agree with much of what you say so I have tried to do an estimate of possible income and expenses .First of all under I.O.R. the balance sheet showed an annual expenditure of £2.5 million pounds, £50 k per week. If the club became a supporters run club it would ,in my opinion,do very well to have 2000 members. How much would the members be prepared to pay? Say £25 per month, which is quite a lot of money for many people, . This would be an income of £600k per year. Added to this season ticket sales of about £600k. There would also be other income from sponsorship, catering, lottery etc probably in the order of £100k per year. Of course running costs would be reduced by the use of volunteers . The question is could the Supporters run a successful club on that level of income. I think the answer is yes but it would be a huge commitment and touch and go.
At the moment there are at least 4 groups of supporters, the Trust, the Friends Group ,the S.A. and those who belong to non of these. Each of these groups have a common aim that is to support a successful football team. The S.A. own the C.F. It would brilliant if the other groups used the C.F. on a regular basis ,the old saying strength in numbers applies here. Now a question how much do the Bowls Club,Raglan Club, Mill House, King Johns Tavern etc contribute to the running of our football club? My guess is nothing.
I understand that leading members of the Trust are regularly receiving abuse. Speaking from experience whatever you try to do you will get no thanks from the football club and receive abuse from a certain type of so called fan, but the genuine fans do appreciate your efforts but do not often express their thanks. So keep up the good work and lets see if together we can get our club back to stability and back in the football league.

We cant even afford to sack the manager can we?

Harrison was highly successful in his previous role and imho believes that he can produce high class winning teams. The highly successful possession football played by top teams has influenced his methods and those of us watching the second half at Dover witnessed the partial 'success' of the coaching. We controlled 80% of the ball but unfortunately posed little threat of scoring. The build up is far too slow and teams can defend in numbers such that the route to goal is inevitably blocked. Opponents in the NL are much more direct and make a beeline for goal whenever possible. I believe that a complete change of style is needed to compete in the NL which can only be achieved with a change of manager/coach. It might not be pretty to watch but we need effective results football to get out of this crap league.