The manchester bomber

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

It appears all 22 people arrested following the manchester bomb have been released without charge.

Fooking marvellous.

We can all sleep more safely at night now.

Whats the odds those arrested after the London attack will all be released as well?

I am not after inernment here, but its quite obvious that there is no smoke without fire.

If we are at war with this lot, then surely e have to get tougher?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:17 am

Why would you be tough on people who have undergone an intense, thorough investigation that revealed no bad behaviour at all?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Surely locking people up for no reason is only going to create more anger that breeds these extremist but jobs in the first place?

They are certain he acted and even built the bomb alone.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Because I dont believe it, thats why.

All 22 arrested are innocent.
Mmmmmm

There must have been a reason they were arrested. If for no other reason they have IS sympathies. And thats enough to keep em locked up.

In my simplistic point of view.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

The Colonel sounds like Mr Trump to me.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

They seem pretty certain he acted alone and seems they can trace his movements hour by hour.

They probably arrested whoever sold him the White Micra and whoever sold him his kebab the night before etc etc

Lets be honest if your mates with someone who is planning any of this shit then you know fine well you will be arrested shortly after the event for questioning so anyone connected in anyway will be long gone from their address etc therefore those they arrest shortly after are very unlikely to have any connection imo.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:24 am

They were mostly arrested because they were friends and relatives of the bomber. Good reason to check them out very thoroughly indeed but not to lock them up when you find nothing. You do seem to be arguing for internment while saying you're not.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37644

pooliecrab wrote:

The Colonel sounds like Mr Trump to me.

Surely Trumpton....? :laugh:

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

The Colonel wrote:

Because I dont believe it, thats why.

All 22 arrested are innocent.
Mmmmmm

There must have been a reason they were arrested. If for no other reason they have IS sympathies. And thats enough to keep em locked up.

In my simplistic point of view.

These people have been interigated by our elite sercurity services but you 'don't believe it'.......

I'd imagine they were locked up because they were associated to him and they wanted to find out exactly how he carried out the attack and who helped him. Anyone who he's had contact with over an extended period of time I'd imagine got dragged in.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37644

Seriously, they're just sweeping up and checking obvious associates, in truth the investigation has just begun. Rounding up people because they look a bit iffy and throwing away the key isn't the answer.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

They acted pretty quickly in making the arrests, they've been questioned over a fair period of time already. I'm sure if there was any belief they were involved, the police would of found a way to delay releasing them.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:29 pm

The use of a bomb singles this attack out from all the other mayhem we've been getting.
More death-cars, guns, and knives than can you shake a stick at, and very effective, but bombs notable by their absence.
Gunning kids down would surely have had a much greater shock value.

aptid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:49 pm **Posts:** 1506

Chip Fireball wrote:

I think there is a big difference between suspecting someone is involved, and having enough evidence to convince the CPS they would stand a chance of getting convicted.

I find it very, very, difficult to believe this kid could have sourced the material to build a bomb this destructive, and then constructed it, without any assistance whatsoever. That is actually very, very, frightening.

Even if it happened while he was in Libya, someone, somewhere, has taught him how to do that.

This twice and then some more.

Hartleblue · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:42 pm

The Colonel wrote:

Because I dont believe it, thats why.

All 22 arrested are innocent.
Mmmmmm

There must have been a reason they were arrested. If for no other reason they have IS sympathies. And thats enough to keep em locked up.

In my simplistic point of view.

I get where your coming from, these events instill so much anger we want some sort of justice serving. I personally don,t trust anyone who even looks, in my mind, like they could be dodgy, if you get my drift.

Pooly_Imp · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:36 pm **Posts:** 2871

Thats very right wing! Mr Corbyn would not be impressed.

He's even said that being pro ISIS is merely a political opinion and not a crime. I do see his point. Its tricky.

Its a fine line between security and freedom and tricky to enhance one without detriment to the other.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Chip Fireball wrote:

I think there is a big difference between suspecting someone is involved, and having enough evidence to convince the CPS they would stand a chance of getting convicted.

I find it very, very, difficult to believe this kid could have sourced the material to build a bomb this destructive, and then constructed it, without any assistance whatsoever. That is actually very, very, frightening.

Even if it happened while he was in Libya, someone, somewhere, has taught him how to do that.

You put it very well. Completely agree.

There have been 15 or so arrests from London too.

They will probably all be released without charge.

And I will bet any amount of money with any one that at least 1 of 37 or so arrested will know something.

I think my problem, of which there are plenty, is that I dont trust the security services.

Just because they say they are all in the clear, makes me think they are all guilty.

I am sure they said the same about at least 2 of the 4 terrorists killed.

Not sure innocent until proven guilty apples to these scumbags.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Pooly_Imp wrote:

Thats very right wing! Mr Corbyn would not be impressed.

He's even said that being pro ISIS is merely a political opinion and not a crime. I do see his point. Its tricky.

Its a fine line between security and freedom and tricky to enhance one without detriment to the other.

Thats the problem with the political elite.

Just because their party says something, doesnt make it right all of the time.

I disagree with quite a bit of labours policies. I disagree with 90% of the tories.

But I am sensible enough to know you can negotiate and find some middle ground.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Hartleblue wrote:

The Colonel wrote:

Because I dont believe it, thats why.

All 22 arrested are innocent.
Mmmmmm

There must have been a reason they were arrested. If for no other reason they have IS sympathies. And thats enough to keep em locked up.

In my simplistic point of view.

I get where your coming from, these events instill so much anger we want some sort of justice serving. I personally don,t trust anyone who even looks, in my mind, like they could be dodgy, if you get my drift.

Strangely enough, I was staying at the Qbic hotel last week which is in Whitechapel.

It is only 800 yards from our Office which is right on the edge of the City.

But that 800 yard walk is like walking from western Europe into Asia.

It didnt bother before, but I got there quite late last week, and felt extremely uncomfortable.

I was heading to walk through Altab Ali Park, but there were lots of folk just milling about there, so I took the long route round.

No one from our office will venture into that area after dark.

At the same time we all got an email from work, entited:

Run, Hide, Tell.

Well every person I walked past looked fooking dodgy to me.

And I felt like reporting every fooker.

A very strange feeling, that I have never had before.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:29 pm

The Colonel wrote:

I will bet any amount of money with any one that at least 1 of 37 or so arrested will know something.

You may well be right. For all we know they could have revealed some very useful information.

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:02 pm

Mr Colonel, you sound a bit too cautious to me. Understandable, but don't let terrorists change your behaviour or they will have won.

Just because someone 'looks' dodgy doesn't mean they are plotting the next atrocity. I used to work with a Muslim bloke who always wore one of the long shirt things and had a big beard. He hated ISIS/Al Qaeda/whoever more than anybody, because he knew he would get the backlash every time something happened. Don't get suckered in by the hate.

horden · **Posted:** Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:02 pm

He may of had help, he may not have. At end of the day, he may have lots of likeminded mates / acquaintances , but he may of just decided to go it alone. I'm sure making a bomb is not that difficult if you have the desire. I cant hack a computer, but I'm sure I could , if I put my mind to it.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Internment was the single worst decision in Northern Ireland between 1969 and the current day. It created a huge siege mentality and built up IRA support - men behind the wire and all that. It don't work, you need evidence. If there is evidence then by all means ship them off to Guirnard Island but you need something.

Quote:

Armored cars and tanks and guns
came to take away our sons!
but every man must stand behind
the men behind the wire

armored cars and tanks and guns
came to take away our sons
but every man must stand behind
the men behind the wire

In the little streets of Belfast
in the dark of early morn
British soldiers came a-running
wrecking little homes with scorn
hear the sobs of crying children
dragging fathers from their bed
watch the scene as helpless mother
watch the blood fall from their heads

armored cars and tanks and guns
came to take away our sons
but every man must stand behind
stand behind the wire

not for them a judge or jury,
or indeed a crime at all
being irish means they're guilty
so they're guilty one and all

round the world the truth will echo
cromwell's men are here again
england's name again is sullied
in the eyes of honest men

Armored cars and tanks and guns
came to take away our sons
but every man must stand behind
the men behind the wire

Armored cars and tanks and guns
came to take away our sons
but every man must stand behind
the men behind the wire

proudly march behind our banner
proudly march behind our men
we will have them free to help us
build a nation once again
come the people step together
proudly march on your way
never fear and never falter
till the boys come home to stay

armored cars and tanks and guns
came to take away our sons
but every man must stand behind
the men behind the wire

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

The only argument agains you there is this lot arent the IRA.

All that needs to happen is they only get one thing to read.

Viz.

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