Where is the anger?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

I can't believe how many people are blaming the players, the kian, the various managers, the fat bloke down the pub or anyone else that's passing.

The blame for this debacle lies with three people:

1/. Ken Hodcroft. He handed over the keys without a care for the business history of Goldberg and Coxall - serial failures

2/ Peter Goldberg

3/ Gary Coxall

I put them in that order on purpose. The TMH deal fell through so KH looked for the next bunch of chancers and found them in Goldberg/Coxall.

It's time for the fans to rise up and oust these people. They put nothing in and have failed dismally in every respect.

A club owned by the fans isn't the only way forward and there are plenty of businesses who will support a community club, that has already begun.

Trouble is that we can't do it without the vocal support of the fan base.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

This this this this and this with bells on

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Amen

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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

We can't 'oust' Ken Hodcroft - he's already long gone.

While he deserves blame for virtually gifting the club to a patently fly-by-night outfit, as Chip has pointed out several times recently, Coxall and Goldberg took on a debt-free club with a good credit rating, that they have trashed from top to bottom.

For several years Hodcroft and co. made it clear that they had no more money to put into the club and wanted rid - there was plenty of time for a 'white knight' bidder who wasn't a chancer to step forward.

Isn't it safe to assume no such option existed, neither a public-spirited son of Hartlepool like Harold Hornsey nor a mysterious foreign benefactor like Berge Larsen?

Sorry J, but this is no time for old animosities to get in the way - it's fucking obvious who the main culprits in this disaster are.

Optimistic · **Joined:** Sun May 31, 2009 4:07 pm **Posts:** 1065

The quicker the better IMO cant believe some people are still backing Coxall

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37661

Club up north in the tundra, far away from civilisation, off the beaten track and inhabited by half wits. Football club, decent season ticket sales, steady crowd numbers, debt free.
Milch Cow.
All the criticism of everyone from managers, players etc, etc ad nauseum is in a way irrelevant. The buck stops with the so called 'owners'. The rest are all sandbags taking the bullets for the people running the club (:laugh:).
There's only one target now.

KeithNobbsBigToe · **Joined:** Wed May 01, 2013 11:32 pm **Posts:** 1057

There was a bloke on twitter last night basically saying anyone criticising the club is not a true fan.

I kid you not.

I can't believe these people walk amongst us.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:58 am

I notice that some of the leading lights in the 'Give Coxhall time' crew are now some of his most vocal critics, almost reinventing history !! The bulk of the doyles on facebook are still saying that all we have to do is get behind the team. Seems the message about the maggots in charge has still gone over a hell of a lot of peoples' heads.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4470

Fans should of been protesting the minute we heard about the high court petitions. Its been obvious for months we were about to slide out the league, either this year or next. Whatever happens next week. Something needs to be done.

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:03 am

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:

We can't 'oust' Ken Hodcroft - he's already long gone.

While he deserves blame for virtually gifting the club to a patently fly-by-night outfit, as Chip has pointed out several times recently, Coxall and Goldberg took on a debt-free club with a good credit rating, that they have trashed from top to bottom.

For several years Hodcroft and co. made it clear that they had no more money to put into the club and wanted rid - there was plenty of time for a 'white knight' bidder who wasn't a chancer to step forward.

Isn't it safe to assume no such option existed, neither a public-spirited son of Hartlepool like Harold Hornsey nor a mysterious foreign benefactor like Berge Larsen?

Sorry J, but this is no time for old animosities to get in the way - it's fucking obvious who the main culprits in this disaster are.

Hate to disagree with Mr I but I agree with MDKMF - Ken et al did a superb job for us and then (for myriad reasons) ran out of cash - they told us - they weren't as open as some would have liked (but, Jeez, they were trying to run a business, not an open house) - they stopped one potential sale - and then they (who the vast majority were screaming at) screwed up in (writing off their debt) and passing control over - which is what the masses wanted - all hail the end of IOR!

There's a sage old saying....'Be careful what you wish for'.

I do agree about not blaming all the managers - we recruited young guys who were learning - with one massive (girth wise) exception - the obnoxious scouse slob. And who do we blame here?

So, Gary, any chance of another talk in - without the tea boy this time? Or can we take you straight to the stake? Please.

alibarthez · **Joined:** Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1072

No way Ken is to blame as number 1 villain.

He may (or may not) have had reservations at the time....who knows but he did not have a crystal ball to see into the future.

Secondly was Goldberg around at the start....I thought he came on board later, maybe I'm wrong.

Blame lies very firmly at Coxall and his outfits door in my opinion.

sam collin's ugly brother · **Joined:** Wed May 09, 2012 3:57 pm **Posts:** 734

Anyone who is still in favour of Coxall is fucking deluded. The man is a crook and we need him out of our club. If I have time this week I intend to make a banner calling for him to go. It will only appear at the end of the game as the boys need our full support for 90 minutes. Win, lose or draw Saturday, we need to do everything possible to rid the club of this scum.

poolie1 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:45 pm **Posts:** 2002

wheres the anger....and wheres the local press more like !!!???
i cannot believe with all the info available on cocksall and co in the public domain no one in the local media dare raise the obvious..ie that JPNG the clubs owners DO NOT EXIST as a viable company, DO NOT have an office in DUBAI, and are just a complete CON set up for one purpose....
wouldnt have happened if arthur pickering had still been around !!

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Chip Fireball wrote:

Do we actually know there were no bidders for the club while IOR were allegedly willing to offload ?

One thing TMH and JPNG have in common is that they were both willing to let Russ Green carry on as CEO. If that was a condition of sale then I can imagine it would have put a lot of people off.

We know Hodcroft is a strange old cove but do you really think he'd make that a condition? Business is business, IOR were desperate to get rid and saying "no deal unless you keep Russ" is a bit like a couple saying they're only going to sell their house to buyers who are prepared to look after their pet tortoise.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Yeah Russ would be upset to be compared to something that eats lettuce.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Or shaves

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charco · **Joined:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:24 am **Posts:** 885

poolie1 wrote:

wheres the anger....and wheres the local press more like !!!???
i cannot believe with all the info available on cocksall and co in the public domain no one in the local media dare raise the obvious..ie that JPNG the clubs owners DO NOT EXIST as a viable company, DO NOT have an office in DUBAI, and are just a complete CON set up for one purpose....
wouldnt have happened if arthur pickering had still been around !!

This, this and this.

It has always been so f****** obvious that a couple of crooks from the south have planned to take a viable concern into oblivion right from the get go. HUFC have been taken for fools.

JPNG (and associated "companies") - fake
Peter Goldberg - never involved - fake
Millionaire partner in Dubai - fake
Offices in Dubai - fake
Recruitment - fake
Coxall - bankrupt conman - fake "give us control of HUFC and all finances and we'll milk them good, and that ground's a nice tidy piece of town centre real estate - maybe we can appropriate it and sell on before we jump ship"

There must have been somebody on the side of reason during the negotiations between IOR, HUFC and prospective buyers. Who the fuck were they??

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37661

Have we been part of our own demise. We as fans sometimes appear to have gotten a mindset of oh it's ok, we always get saved at the end, the cavalry always turn up. Did we get complacent? Even the saviours who took over should have set the alarm bells ringing and when they did, the wires were cut!
The meeeeeja, what were they doing? it wasn't journalism, they just churned out what the owners told them. Not so much journalism, more like reports of the court circular or on the performance of Pyongyang Wednesday, a fawning review.
Well it looks like our luck has run out. Is the deposit on the open top refundable, because moving into the National league isn't promotion.
Someone tell the chairman.

The Bishop · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2017 9:15 am

To answer the original question.

The Board et al - anger
The Team - apathy
Hartlepool United FC - undying & unconditional (at the mo not reciprocated) Love.

That's my take.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Snowy wrote:

Have we been part of our own demise. We as fans sometimes appear to have gotten a mindset of oh it's ok, we always get saved at the end, the cavalry always turn up. Did we get complacent? Even the saviours who took over should have set the alarm bells ringing and when they did, the wires were cut!
The meeeeeja, what were they doing? it wasn't journalism, they just churned out what the owners told them. Not so much journalism, more like reports of the court circular or on the performance of Pyongyang Wednesday, a fawning review.
Well it looks like our luck has run out. Is the deposit on the open top refundable, because moving into the National league isn't promotion.
Someone tell the chairman.

You're not wrong. For decades something always did turn up, like being re-elected to the 4th Division umpteen times in the days before automatic promotion and relegation.

What's turned up now is the proverbial bad penny.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2017 7:21 pm

But exactly what are we the fans, the actual game attending non-media fans, supposed to do? Organize a military coup?
I doubt there are many Poolies who've been totally complacent about our ability to scrape home by the skin of our teeth. Not everybody went and got themselves a great escape tattoo.

I used to wait for the re-election results shitting myself. Compared with back then, we've not been back down at the wrong end that often over the last 20 years. If we weren't blasé then, we have no reason to be now.

Where is the anger?

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