Or is it ok to lift information from here and claim it as your own work? Or when your rag is so unimportant and your journalistic standards so low, does it matter at all?

It wasn't only me thinking that then. It's basically yours and chips posts from Jeff spellings thread cobbled together.

And stuff he decided to ridicule with his 'detective' crap.

Would have been good to see some acknowledgement of sources when 'amateur detectives' did a lot of hard work uncovering at least some of the truth about what is going on. Unfortunately, once the information is circulating it isn't really plagiarism unless you lift the exact wording which he hasn't as far as I can see. We are talking about the Northern Echo aren't we?

Good to hear that Pam was visibly upset at Orient and that little Gary went along too.

Why wait til we are on the brink of relegation to do this article. Why not do this sort of thing when the 2nd or 3rd winding up order came through, the Wonga loan or the disappearance of Arber/Goldberg.

Exactly!!!!
I can't believe the cheek of him!!!!

Why isn't loughlin digging a little deeper with the club ownership. I read the article and although he does mention a fee issues, he hardly puts coxall under any real pressure.

Of the 5% that wasn't lifted, this is mind-boggling:

"Pools have just taken two points from three games against teams who had taken a total of five from the previous 69 available to them."

I knew Pools were at rock bottom on the pitch, but hadn't appreciated it was quite this bad! And still the whole club is sleep walking to the next appointment with destiny, with not one feckin' idea of how to turn things around.

He was criticised for not coming out with some of the facts or criticising what was going on. He's now being criticised when he does publish. Can't win with some people.

Nope. Maybe because a so called journalist won't dig any dirt on our wonderful owners, it takes a few dedicated fans a few hours of their time to do what you'd expect a journalist to do. When it's all going pear shaped you expect questions to be asked, not happy clapping along with a fantasist.

I agree Geoff but to me and lots of others he's months late in writing that piece....and is he now a keyboard warrior????

Listen, I can see this from both sides.

Nick's been a long-term and good friend of mine. He's Pools through-and-through and loves the Club like we do.

As a lot of you know, myself and Nick had a very public falling out over his "detective" comments, so much so that I haven't spoken to him in 3 months. Bear in mind we would speak daily as a rule, run together at least twice a week, and be always texting/messaging etc. At over 30 years he's one of my oldest friends, it may never be the same again but I'm hoping we can get over it.

I see it this way. Nick HAS to keep up cordial relationships with the Football Club. My criticism was, and I've told this to Gary Coxall, that NO journalist should be AS CLOSE to the Club so that they can't question/probe/criticise. That's got to be unhealthy. Has to be.

Look at it from Nicks side...he's done bloody well to keep Pools with such a high profile in The Echo..he actually (be honest here) does a FAR better job than The Mail with Pools coverage. And that's our TOWNS paper, not Teessides. If he loses Pools goodwill, then what? I know it sounds like defending him, and I am to a degree as a friend, but he's clearly got a lot to lose.

Now onto our side...

Yes, it should have been published months ago, yes it should put Coxall under more pressure and yes, its a bit of a "Compilation Album" of an article (Now That's What I Call A Panshite, 2017 anybody?!) gleaned from stuff on here but isn't that what most Journalists do? We ourselves as a Messageboard are often a "Compilation" of facts we've picked up from elsewhere. Chip and Mr I's absolutely belting posts from earlier this week are, to all intents and purposes, "summaries".

It's a tough one and I'm certain there will be more regarding Nick's article today, surely The Club will react now? Or maybe not?

Am I just too soft?

Phil,

I have no issue with what you've said but I have two issues with Nick Loughlin. Firstly he has publicly harangued us for having the temerity to question the owners and tried to take the piss about 'the detectives' and their 'secret club' and 'time for bed kids'. Now he puts together an article which is an assemblage of what we have posted and claims credit for what he initially slagged us off for.

Secondly he should never have allowed himself to be used as MC in that disgraceful fans forum or been party to the soft questioning and the purposeful ignoring of pertinent questions from the likes of Alan Bamford. Can you imagine Arthur Pickering allowing himself to be used in this way? Woodward and Bernstein it ain't.

I think he'd be more respected if it had have been him who was doing the digging and asking the question. Hartlepool United are at a crossroads of survival. It's been coming for over a year and those of us, including you, who have raised the concerns have been lambasted in other forums. This has never been about us personally or egos, we're in a fight for survival.

If Nick Loughlin wants to use his contacts and facilities to help then I'm sure he'll be welcome.

No, I think you're spot on. Just hope the club don't give him a ban for being overly critical. They wouldn't surely?

Hopefully he gets banned, then it will put the club in an even worse light!
And then more truths can be written.....

Personally I want rid of the current owners, who ever they may be!
Jones, his backroom staff, Coxall and co, 1/2 the playing staff at least.

Pools should become a fan owned club. No doubt we will get our chance if we are relegated!

And if the fans want to buy the club, surely we would find out what state the club are in financially?

So what would it take to buy the club back for the fans?

Other clubs have done it, so why not Pools?

Send this lot packing!

Rarely does it involve buying. It's generally a takeover from the administrators.

So what are the chances of Pools going into administration and what would be left?

I assume the council who own the ground would still let the "new" Hartlepool play there?

What I would like to know, is what is needed financially for the fans to take over the club?
Do we need to pay any loans off? What amount would the admin people need?
Would the club be declared bankrupt?

This lot have ruined our club!

We (The Trust) are pushing for a meeting to answer exactly these and other questions. Unsurprisingly no response yet and denials of having received recorded delivery letters. But stand by for a bigger push.

I wouldn't want Sage and Pam in control.

The club needs to belong to the fans and the sooner the better.

All I ask is that the current playing squad play for the fans for the next 3 matches, keep HUFC in the football league, they owe us that.

Then once the season is over, plans are put in place to remove the whole of this poor management structure, the club is taken over by the fans and we move on from there.

And if the players do not keep us in the league, then nothing changes, we should press for a fan owned club and start again in whatever league we find ourselves in!

As we all knew on here this looked a good bet to happen ever since IOR sold out. It was always apparent that OPR were investing substantial amounts of money into the club each season, either by writing it off against tax or however else.

It is likely the club was being run on an unsustainable financial basis without this investment. When JPNG first took over the detectives on here highlighted the lack of funds in the company. Sadly this is all now too true.

It is virtually impossible to run up a string of loans without the income too pay them and ever hope to survive. The club in it's current form is finished. There is no way that JPNG can provide the finances to sustain the club. So they will have to go in the close season leaving the lenders in control. Then it is a matter of whether they want to own a company leaking money or go into administration. I think we all know there is only one alternative.

The assets of the club are not high, a small fee for one or two players, but that will go to the debtors.

So unless someone is prepared to take on the debts of the lenders without owning the ground it will be a depressing time. The hope is that with the council owning the ground we will be able to continue in the relevant league, League 2 or Conference but it would be no surprise too see us starting again at a lower level.

My teenage Daughter has £18k of Student Loan debt and a 2k overdraft. She's got a better Credit Rating than the people that own our Football Club.

The fact that Mr Goldberg/Arber IS still a Director of the people that own our Football Club is horrifying.

A 50% shareholder Phil, not a director. Not that it makes much difference in this case.

I'm staggered that those who have slammed 'the detectives' on a daily basis are now agreeing with their findings because a 'true fan' has published them.


True fan was the description used on Facebook, not sure what that makes you lot !

He also came up with this smart arse comment about the financing back in December... I can't wait go shopping and pop in the hotel bar for a pint before the game on Saturday.

That looks bloody awful with hindsight.

Surely now the time has come to put all of this point scoring aside and to start singing from the same hymn sheet? It's been a truly depressing time to support the club none more so for the reason of long term supporters falling out and creating division. I can understand the frustration from people who the comments were directed at, but time to move on now?

One note of caution. If shares have been sold or transferred recently then it won't show on companies house or a credit search until the relevant document is filed and from memory I think they've got 15 days to do that after a change in share structure.

Seems a silly comment to have made by Nick especially as he must have realised the likes of yourself, Mr I, Chip etc wouldnt just do this for no reason and i and am sure many others are grateful you's have.

Friendship that long these days is worth a lot more than i could convey so i hope you do manage not to lose that even if you still disagree.

This one you mean? I was somewhat peeved at the time.

He isn't a member.

Bit of a joke isn't it. Masterplan, what a load of shite.

That 'keyboard warrior' post looks truly awful now like.

It's embarrassing from any person older than 15 to spout that sort of shite. Certain people are adamant that the "detectives" are bringing this up as they want to club to fold, be a trust owned club blah blah blah. That couldn't be further from the truth, why should we just roll over and accept new ownership without doing a bit of digging to see what type of future OUR club holds.

It takes less than a minute to google Gary Coxall companies house or Peter Goldberg to see his history. Yes he was open about it all when he first came on the scene but people had every right to be sceptical about some random skint Essex mob that nobody had heard of "buy" the club. Coxall has spouted so much bullshit and plans on Twitter he is becoming a parody of himself.

I completely agree with the comment that differences need to be put aside and focus on survival but I can completely see why some people are seriously pissed off with it all.

Seeing that Nick comes down to see his mates at 1/2 time on the Millhouse terrrace, I am sure a few people can have a word with him!

His latest tweet

I'll be on @bbcteessport from 6.30 tonight following my big hit on Pools problems today. Thanks for the kind words - 99 per cent positive !!

Rousing words here from Brian Honour, he knows what's going and alludes to it but I reckon we all need to go to Saturdays game with this attitude;

http://mobile.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/ne ... 83678.aspx

Rousing words here from Brian Honour, he knows what's going and alludes to it but I reckon we all need to go to Saturdays game with this attitude;

http://mobile.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/ne ... 83678.aspx

Honour's right. Fuck all we can do this week except get behind the team on Saturday. The rest will come out in the wash once we're safe.

I completely agree all we can do is get behind the team, but it's going to be hard to stay positive after some shocking performances recently. The crowd can turn very quickly at the Vic.

He made a cock of himself.

But we all know he lives pools and had to protect his job.

Maybe its time to let bygones be bygones and move forward together.

I also feel a bit sorry for Mark Simpson, who does a really good job at Pools and has done for a long time but you see everything he puts on social media right now is met by obvious negativity (I have been guilty of it myself) but this isn't his fault and at the end the day it's his livelihood on the line here. Loads of good people still work at the club who have no control about who owns it. Like Nick his job and family come first so the balance between that and a fan is difficult.

Have we seen that many 'shocking' performances at home? Portsmouth was bad but they were miles better than us and half the Carlisle game was terrible but generally we have been competitive at home at least which at least give a tiny bit of hope for Saturday!

A journalist is primarily there to ask questions. Who, how, what, where, why and when.
Great journalists should never be that popular with those they deal with, their duty is to their readers, not the subject of their interest.
Otherwise, you're in PR.

Beggars belief......................I lost all respect for him at the fans forum but I now feel little more than contempt.

The guy is deluded, he actually thinks the stick he has had is unjustified.

Its alarming that he appears to be still having digs at this place.

He should do the decent thing and admit he got it all badly wrong, then we all move on together.

And let it lie.

It's a bigger man who can admit he was wrong . We'll be around far longer than any tickle belly chairman. .

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Don't bite, its obviously an attempt at one from this place.

I see Nick Loughlin is doing an exclusive on the zeppelin bombing of the Clarence Road stand tomorrow.