Deverdics

MicksMan · **Joined:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:37 am **Posts:** 234

Farmed out to Dover for a month.

Would have liked to see him AMC but trust in Jones. Hopefully comes back on abit of form.

poolietim · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:14 pm

Yeah he should've had more field time on FK and PK action in the offensive quarter for sure

MicksMan · **Joined:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:37 am **Posts:** 234

Truth

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

His half court shots were a bit sketchy and from the 18 yard line he just didn't have the conversion rate for getting the ball into the 6.

Wore nice cleats though.

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yloop · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:20 pm

His inverted leg extension punt was good but otherwise didn't do much.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

On a serious note why are slowly weakening our squad?

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

PJPoolie wrote:

On a serious note why are slowly weakening our squad?

At a guess he isnt Iin Jones immediate plans so has sent him there for a month to get some games/minutes into him in the hope that if needed after the month he is in form and fitter?

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I bet we have centre backs here jones hasn't even met yet.

Never known us have so many, yet so many that we can't play.

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poolietim · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:38 pm

Most are at school when Jones takes the training

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

The lad is a good footballer for me we just haven't used him in a way that will get the best out of him.

Personally I'd rather he was at Pools this month rather than save his wage at a time when we need points and have in terms of experience a paper thin squad.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

He has the technique but seems to make the wrong choice to often for me. Maybe down to lack of matches and not being on the same wavelength but I can't help feeling he's not up to league football.

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:05 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

The lad is a good footballer for me we just haven't used him in a way that will get the best out of him.

Personally I'd rather he was at Pools this month rather than save his wage at a time when we need points and have in terms of experience a paper thin squad.

Spot on, absolutely no point in him being out on loan

alibarthez · **Joined:** Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1072

Tidy enough but ultimately ineffective, we need so much more than his offerings.

The Bishop · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:26 pm

thetownendfaithful wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

The lad is a good footballer for me we just haven't used him in a way that will get the best out of him.

Personally I'd rather he was at Pools this month rather than save his wage at a time when we need points and have in terms of experience a paper thin squad.

Spot on, absolutely no point in him being out on loan

I disagree, its not about saving wages, Jones has had a look at the players and decided Deverdics is not in his immediate plans; therefore a months loan where he can get a regular meaningful game and improve match fitness, as opposed to the reserves may help in the foreseeable future!

thetownendfaithful · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:53 pm

Yeah but we're not Chelsea

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Good job we're not playing who Chelsea are playing then.

KeithNobbsBigToe · **Joined:** Wed May 01, 2013 11:32 pm **Posts:** 1057

MicksMan wrote:

Farmed out to Dover for a month.

Would have liked to see him AMC but trust in Jones. Hopefully comes back on abit of form.

Isn't this a fillum channel?

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Does the A stand for adult?

johnjo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 pm **Posts:** 321

I must agree with alibathaz, tidy but ineffective. I do not think you can blame Hignett he had plenty of opertunities but just did not do it.
I must admit I thought he was a good signing but he has really disappointed me. The only worry for me is the lack of midfielders we have.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:53 pm

Would have liked to see him played in the wandering hermit role, or as an advanced aardvark. The lad never had a chance in a normal position.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

johnjo wrote:

I must agree with alibathaz, tidy but ineffective. I do not think you can blame Hignett he had plenty of opertunities but just did not do it.
I must admit I thought he was a good signing but he has really disappointed me. The only worry for me is the lack of midfielders we have.

You can't blame Hignett!!?

He signed him and seemingly had no idea where to play him, he's either someone who plays off the striker or plays in an advanced role in a front three. He played centre midfield a lot of the time being asked to do stuff he physically couldn't do in League Two. He then picked one starting eleven which was one of the worst set up Pools team I have ever seen when he started Paynter up top with Amond finally in the same starting line up to play off him and Deverdics finally playing off the strikers in the role he scored 16 and made 18 in for Dover last season. What it actually was Amond wide right, Deverdics wide left with Nicky Featherstone playing the number 10 role off Paynter. A formation sponsored by glue bags.

I'm disappointed that a decent footballer capable of doing things in the final third when we have hardly got a squad full of them has been jettisoned to free up wages. The full club has no plan or order or any sense of trying to build a team.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Chip Fireball wrote:

If Dover are paying his wages it may free up some money to bring in one of these triallists.

Personally I thought he was bobbins, and would be behind the likes of Featherstone, Woods, Hawkins, Woods for a midfield slot.

Even including Woods twice doesn't actually make him effective. Hawkins will be playing Conference North at best after he gets released by Pools. Deverdics is a talented footballer we haven't used him properly and his confidence has slowly eroded.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Sorry but 'bobbins' does it for me too. I've seen no evidence that he has any stomach for a relegation scrap. He makes Nicky Featherstone look hard!

HonestPoolie · **Joined:** Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:46 pm **Posts:** 663

Have we ever actually played him in an attacking midfield role? I can only remember him playing in front of the back 4 or out wide.

To me he looks like a signing that was made based purely on his goals and assist figures without seeing him play, otherwise I can't understand why Hignett signed him, a player he clearly didn't know how to use. A set piece specialist who barely took any, and someone who struggled to get up to speed after mainly making 5-10 cameo's as a winger when we're chasing games.

chunky1988 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 pm **Posts:** 1066

Just another signing that looks like made because was willing to sign instead of actually signed to fit into a formation.

Seems to be the way the last few seasons, just sign anyone that is willing

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

To be fair to Deverdics, he has been involved in more goals than any of the midfielders who play in a similar position, and has played significantly less than them all. Apparently he's made 24 appearances this season, I would guess that at least 15 of those have been 10 minute camoes.

Although I rate Hawkins and Laurent, for them to be playing as the more advanced midfielders, 1 goal and 1 assist between them over the course of this season is a very poor return. Woods has a better return than these two aswell. Deverdics has two goals and two assists in what is essentially around 9/10 starts (and out of position)

I feel sorry for the lad, he clearly wants to be here and wants to put the effort in. Hopefully he has only gone to Dover to get some minutes under his belt and a bit of confidence.

On a side note, Featherstone has the most goals and assists for our central midfielders. Maybe Hignett was onto a winner with him playing the AMC role..............??

johnjo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 pm **Posts:** 321

I thought he was a good signing but sadly just did not do it. Ok he may not always play in a preferred position or formation but he just did not show anything.Obviously Jones after only seeing him in training also thinks he is lacking something.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9712

Will be on the exit list with about ten others.
Dont think Jones is the type of manager who agrees with pay cut contracts which has been done in the past and very rarely works as the league table proves.
Better recruitment required .
See what the summer brings!

Not expecting Messi or Ronaldo by the way just more consistent performers.

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

Deverdics has never really had the chance to show any consistency. I'd be surprised if he has started more than 2 consecutive games, and even that was only due to Featherstone being banned.

If Jones is willing to give Walker a chance, surely he has to give Deverdics a chance

johnjo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 pm **Posts:** 321

Football is all about opinions and Jones seems to have made his mind up that Deverdics is not for him. In fact he tried to offload him to Gateshead.
To say that he never got a chance is not quite right. His record shows he played 24 games nine of which were as substitute. I do not know how many of his starts he was substituted but there must have been a reason for it.
In all honesty I could never say he played poorly he just did not do anything and at 29yrs I would have thought he would have shown something. Again just my opinion.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

In how many of those games has he played in the position he was so good for Dover in last season when some people said he was the best player in the Conference. I'll give you it's a figure between 0 and 0. So I'd argue that he's not really been given a chance in area of the pitch that would get the best out of him.

johnjo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 pm **Posts:** 321

Maybe he did not play in his best position all I am saying is that he did not look very good. Lacked energy and pace. What is his best position? He was always in midfield or wide left. How do you know where he played at Dover. Even if he was out of position he just never showed anything he was anonymous.
As I said Jones obviously does not rate him and as we all know we are desperate for midfielders.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Chip Fireball wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

If Dover are paying his wages it may free up some money to bring in one of these triallists.

Personally I thought he was bobbins, and would be behind the likes of Featherstone, Woods, Hawkins, Woods for a midfield slot.

Even including Woods twice doesn't actually make him effective. Hawkins will be playing Conference North at best after he gets released by Pools. Deverdics is a talented footballer we haven't used him properly and his confidence has slowly eroded.

Apologies, I meant Walker.

To suggest Hawkins is Conference North level at best is pretty astounding, however to follow it up with the comment that Deverdics is a talented footballer...I can only assume you have been on the glue.

Deverdics is nearly 30 and has started how many games in the Football League ? My guess would be about a dozen, if that, and he probably got subbed in most of those because he was out of his depth. He has spent his career playing in and around Conference North level. One of the most underwhelming signings in recent seasons given he came with a bit of a reputation. Just doesn't look up to it physically and struggled adjusting to the pace of league football. Got caught in possession pissing about time and time again.

Hawkins is a better player than him on what I have seen, in every department. He is no world beater, but he holds his own at this level. We certainly play better football with him in the team than we do without. As was evidenced again at the weekend, when we looked a shadow of the team that had played Stevenage.

Maybe I was slightly over the top but I fail to see what all the fuss is about with Hawkins. He's not a proven or established Football League player he's not done anywhere near enough, or shown any real improvement. He's been pretty poor this season for me. Take that Stevanage game as an example he was played effectively as part of a front three on the right hand side of it anyway, a bit of a strange choice when he never creates or scores. He works hard for the team but in terms of end product and quality he's got a long long way to go

johnjo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 pm **Posts:** 321

That's the problem our midfield is weak

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

We're overloaded with midfielders according to Coxhall.

johnjo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 pm **Posts:** 321

Nobody says he did not do well last season and I said looked a good signing but he has just not done it at league level

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

So according to that paper cutting his peers include Matt Rhead and what I'm assuming is a cheap Chinese version of Omar Bogle playing for Forest Green.

For those unfamiliar with the fine physique of Matt Rhead.

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