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 Post subject: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:12 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:21 pm 
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Show me a single answer on that. Lots of dismissal but no answers.


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:52 pm 
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That bit stands out.

Maybe implying the winding up orders will continue?


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:59 am 
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Aye, until Thomas is sold in the summer and our debts are written off, makes sense to me.


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:18 am 
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It doesn't make sense.
How can using the money from the sale of Thomas make us debt free?
When IOR left the debt was cleared. So last summer pools were a debt free club.
We know that season ticket sales, gate money and everything else should keep a club self sufficient. So my question to Coxall is simplke. Where has the money gone? Why are we taking out loans? And if we don't find a player like Thomas foor next season to sell on, will we last a season?

Apologies for scare mongering... clearly I'm in the bracket of trouble maker.


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:52 am 
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KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:

We know that season ticket sales, gate money and everything else should keep a club self sufficient.


This idea gets repeated like a mantra on here, and has been since the last years of IOR. I just don't know how true it is! I imagine it takes a massive amount of financial discipline, unity of purpose and constant fund-raising to be truly self-sufficient, as Exeter City appear to be.

Clubs at every level need a business plan. Professional football is a highly competitive environment and planning just to survive is a recipe for relegation out of the football league sooner or later. Plans to grow and develop a club, however well worked out, contain an inherent element of risk.

For clubs in the lower leagues, the only potential windfalls of cash (that really shouldn't be included in a business plan because of their uncertainty) are the sale of players or a successful cup run. I reckon Pools must have the worst record of all the clubs in the EFL in cup competitions. We are feckin' hopeless; the 'glamour tie' nearly always eludes us.

That leaves the sale of players. Pools aren't doing too badly there just now, but it can't be planned for. It's striking that all of the Pools' players (Toto, Carroll, Thomas, Carson, Featherstone) who have attracted interest or fees so far this season only got to our club because of transfer dealings by previous managers. Nobody has come up though the ranks. That could possibly change if Walker has a great second half to the season. One good game is a bit early to be predicting that!

I think that the kindest thing anyone can say about JPNG's current business plan is that it's wildly ambitious. The trouble is, most Pools fans have been decrying the club's lack of ambition for years. We might think that fans who are happily on the Coxall bandwagon at the minute are a gullible lot, but they're smart enough to know that there are no easy alternatives.


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
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Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father wrote:
KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:

We know that season ticket sales, gate money and everything else should keep a club self sufficient.


This idea gets repeated like a mantra on here, and has been since the last years of IOR. I just don't know how true it is! I imagine it takes a massive amount of financial discipline, unity of purpose and constant fund-raising to be truly self-sufficient, as Exeter City appear to be.

Clubs at every level need a business plan. Professional football is a highly competitive environment and planning just to survive is a recipe for relegation out of the football league sooner or later. Plans to grow and develop a club, however well worked out, contain an inherent element of risk.

For clubs in the lower leagues, the only potential windfalls of cash (that really shouldn't be included in a business plan because of their uncertainty) are the sale of players or a successful cup run. I reckon Pools must have the worst record of all the clubs in the EFL in cup competitions. We are feckin' hopeless; the 'glamour tie' nearly always eludes us.

That leaves the sale of players. Pools aren't doing too badly there just now, but it can't be planned for. It's striking that all of the Pools' players (Toto, Carroll, Thomas, Carson, Featherstone) who have attracted interest or fees so far this season only got to our club because of transfer dealings by previous managers. Nobody has come up though the ranks. That could possibly change if Walker has a great second half to the season. One good game is a bit early to be predicting that!

I think that the kindest thing anyone can say about JPNG's current business plan is that it's wildly ambitious. The trouble is, most Pools fans have been decrying the club's lack of ambition for years. We might think that fans who are happily on the Coxall bandwagon at the minute are a gullible lot, but they're smart enough to know that there are no easy alternatives.


FFP is meant tro ensure all clubs are self sufficient. Pools are/should be no different.

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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
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I remember the days we had a squad of about 18 but apparently couldnt sign anyone else according to Ken due to that damn "FFP"

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Talking of which, the transfer window closes in a few days, how about a mail article on a couple of new signings?


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:13 pm 
KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:
It doesn't make sense.
How can using the money from the sale of Thomas make us debt free?
When IOR left the debt was cleared. So last summer pools were a debt free club.
We know that season ticket sales, gate money and everything else should keep a club self sufficient. So my question to Coxall is simplke. Where has the money gone? Why are we taking out loans? And if we don't find a player like Thomas foor next season to sell on, will we last a season?

Apologies for scare mongering... clearly I'm in the bracket of trouble maker.


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
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KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:
It doesn't make sense.
How can using the money from the sale of Thomas make us debt free?
When IOR left the debt was cleared. So last summer pools were a debt free club.
We know that season ticket sales, gate money and everything else should keep a club self sufficient. So my question to Coxall is simplke. Where has the money gone? Why are we taking out loans? And if we don't find a player like Thomas foor next season to sell on, will we last a season?

Apologies for scare mongering... clearly I'm in the bracket of trouble maker.


This is what frustrates me too. We sold approx 3000 season tickets at £250 a pop. So there's £750k right up front, include on top of that sponsorship, match day revenue and other possibly smaller sources of revenue throughout the season. How is it then possible to be issued with a winding up order barely a 1/3 of the way through the season?

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I feel like the revenue mentioned above should sustain us for the majority of the season before any shortfalls in cash begin to affect us. Were this happening later on in the season I could perhaps understand the issues we seem to be facing.

Ultimately, our financial problems have been apparent from virtually the get go this season. So this begs the same question you asked, where has the money gone?


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:39 pm 
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Soma wrote:
KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:
It doesn't make sense.
How can using the money from the sale of Thomas make us debt free?
When IOR left the debt was cleared. So last summer pools were a debt free club.
We know that season ticket sales, gate money and everything else should keep a club self sufficient. So my question to Coxall is simplke. Where has the money gone? Why are we taking out loans? And if we don't find a player like Thomas foor next season to sell on, will we last a season?

Apologies for scare mongering... clearly I'm in the bracket of trouble maker.


This is what frustrates me too. We sold approx 3000 season tickets at £250 a pop. So there's £750k right up front, include on top of that sponsorship, match day revenue and other possibly smaller sources of revenue throughout the season. How is it then possible to be issued with a winding up order barely a 1/3 of the way through the season?

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I feel like the revenue mentioned above should sustain us for the majority of the season before any shortfalls in cash begin to affect us. Were this happening later on in the season I could perhaps understand the issues we seem to be facing.

Ultimately, our financial problems have been apparent from virtually the get go this season. So this begs the same question you asked, where has the money gone?

How many of those 3000 were kids? Or OAPs? Income won't be as much as you state.

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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
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Surely the summer is a real concern here. Unless season ticket revenues come in sharp after the season ends, a lot of the bills and salaries still keep coming in. Essentially the club could spend a lot of what should be next seasons revenue before we kick off the first game!


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Monkey Magic wrote:
Surely the summer is a real concern here. Unless season ticket revenues come in sharp after the season ends, a lot of the bills and salaries still keep coming in. Essentially the club could spend a lot of what should be next seasons revenue before we kick off the first game!


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
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misterb2001 wrote:
Soma wrote:
KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:
It doesn't make sense.
How can using the money from the sale of Thomas make us debt free?
When IOR left the debt was cleared. So last summer pools were a debt free club.
We know that season ticket sales, gate money and everything else should keep a club self sufficient. So my question to Coxall is simplke. Where has the money gone? Why are we taking out loans? And if we don't find a player like Thomas foor next season to sell on, will we last a season?

Apologies for scare mongering... clearly I'm in the bracket of trouble maker.


This is what frustrates me too. We sold approx 3000 season tickets at £250 a pop. So there's £750k right up front, include on top of that sponsorship, match day revenue and other possibly smaller sources of revenue throughout the season. How is it then possible to be issued with a winding up order barely a 1/3 of the way through the season?

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I feel like the revenue mentioned above should sustain us for the majority of the season before any shortfalls in cash begin to affect us. Were this happening later on in the season I could perhaps understand the issues we seem to be facing.

Ultimately, our financial problems have been apparent from virtually the get go this season. So this begs the same question you asked, where has the money gone?

How many of those 3000 were kids? Or OAPs? Income won't be as much as you state.



Even if it were half adult tickets the rest kids and OAPs, that money factored in with the stadium sponsorship deal would be a very decent chunk of change, possibly enough to see us through to the end of the season at least one would assume.


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Of course it should.

But some would rather not investigate/interrogate that.

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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:38 pm 
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Also have to factor in the relatively big chunk of wedge we get from the Football League.

Russ Green ( a man who would know ) said it would cost Pools £750k a season dropping down to the Conference so it's not peanuts.

Absolutely no way the club should be £100k in debt within months of the season starting, its a question one would like to put to the money man, Peter Goldberg, but he seems to have gone missing. Would love to know how much he has made out of Pools in the last 12 months. I could hazard a guess based on his previous history in business, even though I'm only an armchair expert.


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 Post subject: Re: All Your Questions Answered ?
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The Colonel wrote:
Monkey Magic wrote:
Surely the summer is a real concern here. Unless season ticket revenues come in sharp after the season ends, a lot of the bills and salaries still keep coming in. Essentially the club could spend a lot of what should be next seasons revenue before we kick off the first game!


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