Statement

yloop · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:48 pm

And not even on Twitter or anything!

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news/ ... 85038.aspx

Fair play for being honest, not so sure about them buying the ground mind but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it I guess.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Fair play to him responding to us and doing it via the correct method.

I don't want any owners of ours getting the ground and hope the Council are wary of this especially in light of the winding up petitions.

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

Fair play to him X3, as has been said that obvious issue will need addressing but credit where its due, i'm pleased he's listened and put a statement out there.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Buying surrounding area to develop but also want to buy the ground...Sounds fishy to me.
That said how many houses can you build on the land the stadium stands on? Surely not enough to justify what the council have previously stated they wanted to buy the ground.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

...In the centre of Hartlepool!

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:33 pm

Great news, nice to hear this.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37695

phil wrote:

I agree, I don't want them owning the ground at all. I'm very wary of that.

Depends on the councils finances getting squeezed over the coming years and what happens to planning powers with the formation of the Tees Valley authority.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:01 pm

Well I for one believe everthing I just read :liar:

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:03 pm

phil wrote:

I agree, I don't want them owning the ground at all. I'm very wary of that.

Don't worry they won't sell their Crown jewels and besides the trust has sorted that thingy they took out a while ago.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

I think there's some serious thinking needed from the Trust committee and other leading lights about how to respond to this.

He says he wants continuing dialogue with the fans. Seems to me you either take him at his word and act as a critical friend or call him a bloody liar and walk away.

Of course, the latter course is a lot easier for us keyboard warriors to follow than it is for the representatives of HUST.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

As of last week the council were not in any negotiations to sell the ground. If they even start negotiations we should more heaven and Earth to block it.

I don't actually believe that the council would sell it to them given the recent events.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9724

Most fans would swap the communication for results on the pitch.
We got a squad thats struggling to compete in the worst league two ive ever seen.
3000 dident sign up for yet anutha poor season.
The season ticket sales were based on a serious attempt to qualify for a top 7 finish.
Fair play to Coxall for wanting to do a question n answer meeting with the fans in January.
Hopefully it will be attended in a lot higher numbers than the Trust launch when only about 40 fans bothered to turn up.

Merry Xmas everyone and hopefully 2017 brings us a lot more wins than the last few years!

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Chip Fireball wrote:

The Trust are obliged to speak to the club, and indeed pursue a seat on the board. That's written into their constitution and I would imagine Ronnie and the Board will be sitting down with JPNG at the earliest opportunity.

While it looks a lot better him making a statement through the OS rather than Twitter it says very little we didn't already know, and I guess the proof of the pudding comes in the eating.

There is no mention of why a £100k debt was allowed to build up in the first place. Especially as they claim to have done the biggest deal in the history of the club just a few months ago.

There is no mention of how 3 blokes with a string of bankruptcies and liquidations behind them, and seemingly no money of their own, plan to pull off a multi, multi million pound Masterplan, when it proved way beyond the capability of Gus Robinsons and an oil company big enough to be capable of writing off £15 million of debt.

There is also no mention of why the Chairman seems to be saying one thing about the financial state of the club while the manager says another.

I can see nothing at all in that statement which makes me feel more confident about our chances of getting through this season in one piece without avoiding some form of sanction. I'm also totally unconvinced by his statements in relation to Access Finance, and there is no mention of this Haycox fella and why he is suddenly sniffing around the club.

Fair enough. Any business seemingly not able to make provision to cash flow regular payments to HMRC is already in a lot of trouble. You wonder how the club's other creditors feel about this, not to mention the people on the HUFC payroll.

The Chairman tends to explain it away as his own carelessness, which is bad enough, but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the real reason is massive issues with cash flow. That's not much of a basis to be making big plans!

Mr. Coxall certainly needs a few critical friends, as well as a decent accountant and chief executive.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Two things.

Do we know the value of the loan.

And who really thinks its a good idea to invest millions around that area.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

The Colonel wrote:

And who really thinks its a good idea to invest millions around that area.

Of course it is, the asset he's buying is an oil drill to get at that oil under the pitch IOR were after.

On a serious note it's a strangely ambitious plan that I have as much faith in as you. Hopefully Gary knows what he's doing and what he's doing is what he claims. As for Whoopi, I've no idea what his purpose or intent were or if he's gained anything during his time at Pools. Not sure of Mr I's source but got no reason to doubt him and from everything that's been discovered about Whoopi, I feel we can only be better for it.

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:53 pm

If as people are saying the trust should have a right to know things what's going on, what right do share holders have in all this?

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

Surely that's fraud chip, if you are saying funds have been withdrawn to the detriment of creditors ?

yloop · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:07 pm

Chesssington wrote:

Surely that's fraud chip, if you are saying funds have been withdrawn to the detriment of creditors ?

And Goldberg has been such a squeaky clean character in the past...

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

so why doesn't someone write to hmrc or companies house or even contact the police fraud office as maybe they'll start an investigation.

If Goldberg has done what is being indicated and not for the first time, I'm sure someone will be interested.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

as Mr I indicated yesterday, Coxhall really seems to be picking up the pieces but I'm actually really peed off with Russ Green if he knew this was happening and did jackshit about it but instead just got himself another job.

If Jeff Stelling still reads this forum maybe he knows enough people in the right places to look into matters.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:50 pm

We have an element of fans who use twitter that just swallow what is fed them, " Well done Gary, fans can`t complain now", "Hopefully this will quiten down the merchants of doom, most of the keyboard warriors don`t even go to games", " Hopefully all the bolloxs and witch hunting might stop now after your statement", fair play don`t see how anyone can complain now"!

Yet when I put out a statement That I do not drink warm milk, no fucker believes me, perhaps if I called myself chairman Butt, it may change stpid

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

He said outright on Twitter that it was Mark Simpson who persuaded him he had to make a statement in the 1st place. The points scoring and bitterness from some quarters is pathetic, basically what has been confirmed, players were paid late, we had a 3rd HMRC issue in short succession and we had borrowed money from an unknown finance company. This has forced Gary Coxhall to make a statement confirming these facts albeit with a positive slant.

You've still got fans with personal agenda stating that the people who found out this info are doing so out of some personal agenda, making it up, are keyboard warriors or who are trying to drum up some sort of dodgy interest in the Trust (to he point some are saying a load of negative shit about the Trust). Only in Hartlepool could this happen, you couldn't make it up especially when all the facts have been confirmed by the club

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

The superfans have been extremely quiet lately.

Why?

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4470

It amazes me how ordinary supporters have found out these facts, yet journalists have found out zero about whats happening. We have borrowed this money and we havent even reached an agreement with the council. So what happens if the council knocks this masterplan back? How on earth do we owe so much to the taxman? 104 grand is just one of the sums mentioned. Season tickets are now 250 quid and 3000 were sold add to this money from pay on the gates which at the start of the season we were getting an extra 600-700.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

It amazes me how ordinary supporters have found out these facts, yet journalists have found out zero about whats happening. We have borrowed this money and we havent even reached an agreement with the council. So what happens if the council knocks this masterplan back? How on earth do we owe so much to the taxman? 104 grand is just one of the sums mentioned. Season tickets are now 250 quid and 3000 were sold add to this money from pay on the gates which at the start of the season we were getting an extra 600-700.

Plus the 'biggest deal in the clubs history'

Without work from these 'ordinary fans' no one would be none the wiser anout the loan or the debt and the club wouldn't have made the statements etc

Fair play to the club reacting though.

Now to see what and when it's announced about Goldberg. Another Bunker exclusive.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4470

To be fair they had to bring out a statement. Coxall needs the fans on his side but fair play to him for at least doing it. The statement is an admittance of horrendous mistakes. Something in the previous 18 years never happened once, despite ior basically running the club down to a shoe string, for the last 5 years. I look forward to seeing the accounts this year and why so much money has dissapeared so quickly.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

I've read the statement in full, first chance I've had to study it and I am less than reassured. There are substantive issues that weren't answered and its very misleading.

Quote:

"I know there has also been some concern about monies borrowed from Access Finance but I can assure fans that this does not – and will not – put this Football Club at risk, in fact it allows us to finally achieve something the Club has wanted to do for years, to own its own ground."

Sorry but that is just waffle. It's a secured loan. If it's defaulted on as HMRC have been three times in the last few months then the assets of the club are at risk. To state otherwise shows either a lack of understanding, a lack of competence or just straightforward lies.

Quote:

"It is true that the Club has previously received two winding-up petitions but both have been explained. This "third" winding-up order is totally different, as we agreed a payment plan with HMRC by which we would settle the amount in two separate payments and, as of today, we have now cleared £100,000 of that bill. "As part of the payment plan we agreed that if the second payment wasn't met then a winding up-petition could be back-dated but this has been resolved. In short, it was only a notice of a winding-up, which has been effectively resolved before issue. "

Waffle! HMRC have issued winding up petitions three times - period. To state otherwise is incorrect and to suggest that it was only a problem because we defaulted on the agreement with the taxman is laughable.

Sorry Gaz, try harder next time. While we're at it, Where's Goldberg?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Put simply it reads as utter bullshit.

But it has certainly appeased some.

On saying that they never needed appeasing.

I have come to my own tiny conclusion that some fans will not nelieve believe pools no longer exist two years after it actually happened.

Their heads are buried so deep in the sand they will never see again.

Seagull, Seagull, Seagull. · **Joined:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:44 pm **Posts:** 477

The statement says nothing. It's just some words thrown together to look like they are trying to be open and honest. Three winding up orders is purely down to bad management of finances. Even if the third was down to some technical issue, that's still bad! They can't just say, oh that one doesn't count. It does!!
Anyway, match day tomorrow and I'm hoping for a Christmas miracle where the crowd are up for it, the team are committed and we get three points.
Happy Christmas everyone.

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:31 am

If we lose tomorrow, I really will fear for the worst...............

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:46 pm

Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:

If we lose tomorrow, I really will fear for the worst...............

I'm now seeing the 'HMRC' logo on the front of our shirts - if we survive to get to Crawley..............

I'm wondering, were IOR right all the time about the VAT on player sales......................

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:48 pm

I was told today that the refinancing of Pools has been secured against the steelwork in the Mill House stand - that made me laugh almost as much as the idea that 'we' are in financial trouble is nothing more than a ploy to boost Trust membership............

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:

I was told today that the refinancing of Pools has been secured against the steelwork in the Mill House stand - that made me laugh almost as much as the idea that 'we' are in financial trouble is nothing more than a ploy to boost Trust membership............

That is partially true as the finance is secueed against all assets.

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:01 pm

Yes - I've read the documents too - and I know how a fixed and floating works and, more to the point, how it works in practice - so, how much would a creditor/ receiver pay to remove the steelwork from the surrounding concrete?

I do take your point though................

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

I agree its a daft statement in isolation but that shouldnt suprise you!

Brian Honour's Left Foot · **Posted:** Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:45 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I agree its a daft statement in isolation but that shouldnt suprise you!

Too true, too true................

And respect to you.......and greetings of the season

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Spoke to loads of people at the game today who were very appreciative of the work that's been done on here. Some of whom I had no idea even read this place to be honest.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I agree its a daft statement in isolation but that shouldnt suprise you!

Too true, too true................

And respect to you.......and greetings of the season

And you Sir.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Ten times as many paople view this place than view any other pools site.

Not everyone wants to post but many many people look in.

And let's face it would the hell would we all know without his place?

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Was Coxhall at the game today? I didn't see him.

Poolsrme · **Posted:** Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:54 pm

Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:

I was told today that the refinancing of Pools has been secured against the steelwork in the Mill House stand - that made me laugh almost as much as the idea that 'we' are in financial trouble is nothing more than a ploy to boost Trust membership............

Jackson's Landing was steelwork and look what happened to that

The thought of any council and club representatives working together to achieve the Millhouse regeneration fantasy is pretty scary :shifty:

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Before anyone thinks of spending millions regenerating anywhere in hartlepool someone somewhere needs to create jobs on a massive scale to attract people to come here.

Without this the regeneration is utterly fucking stupid. Still plenty falling for it though.

GeoffcN · **Joined:** Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:10 pm **Posts:** 463

PJPoolie wrote:

Was Coxhall at the game today? I didn't see him.

No

KeithNobbsBigToe · **Joined:** Wed May 01, 2013 11:32 pm **Posts:** 1057

The Colonel wrote:

Before anyone thinks of spending millions regenerating anywhere in hartlepool someone somewhere needs to create jobs on a massive scale to attract people to come here.

Without this the regeneration is utterly fucking stupid. Still plenty falling for it though.

Spot on. It pains me that I live in the West Midlands and not the town but I fear there is little future in the north east for my kids. If the town and area was to undergo serious regeneration then I would return home in a heartbeat. Successive governments have fucked the north east for years.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

GeoffcN wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

Was Coxhall at the game today? I didn't see him.

No

Well isn't that a lovely coincidence.

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:40 am

The Colonel wrote:

Ten times as many paople view this place than view any other pools site.

Not everyone wants to post but many many people look in.

And let's face it would the hell would we all know without his place?

How many came up to you at the game yesterday to tell you that.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Its a statistic that you can view just as easily as I can.

Oh and literally hundreds.

poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:47 am

PJPoolie wrote:

GeoffcN wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

Was Coxhall at the game today? I didn't see him.

No

Well isn't that a lovely coincidence.

Given the fact he was down south spending xmas day with his mother. Would you like to set off early doors to drive up north after eating drinking and being merry. Doubt he would have managed a train job. Damned if he did Damned if he didn't.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

poolymad wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

GeoffcN wrote:

[quote="PJPoolie"]Was Coxhall at the game today? I didn't see him.

No

Well isn't that a lovely coincidence.

Given the fact he was down south spending xmas day with his mother. Would you like to set off early doors to drive up north after eating drinking and being merry. Doubt he would have managed a train job. Damned if he did Damned if he didn't.[/quote]

He's the chairman

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poolymadandstupid · **Posted:** Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:52 am

So he's not allowed to be with family because he's the chairman.

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