Thought the rule of a red card was only for a dangerous tackle in the box now? Newcastle had a lad sent off after the Forest player stopped dead in front of him in the box. He couldn't really have avoided contact, I wouldn't have given a penner never mind a red.

Aside from the generally shite reffereeing, the game has been alright. Newcastle had nearly 80% possession with 10 men and went down to 9 men just before half time, should be a cracking second half as a neutral.

Newcastle, not really interested.

You're in the right place then..

With regards to the referee, his first half performance was about as bad as you can possibly be as a ref. Got so many decisions wrong I actually found myself wanting the Mags to get something out of it.

Forest have been very poor as well against 9 men, their goals have relied on luck as opposed to any actual skill.

My main point was about reffereeing and how inconsistant it is. But you'll be pleased to know Newcastle lost in the end.

Wasn't as good a second half as I expected as Soma mentioned, Forest were dogger but at least there was plenty of incident.

It was never going to be a good second half after another diabolical referee spoilt another game.

Not wanting to be a pj here but I thought the first Sending off was the right call, the second sending off... he didn't attempt to play the ball he pushed him in the back and the red and pen was the right thing to give, i think, if that's the rules now. I'm not sure.

The problem with the new rule is its "intention to play the ball" and it's not a red.

That leaves a grey area, some refs might think differently to others.

At least with the old rules you know were stood.


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There you go again.

So you're not wanting to actually talk about an incident like an adult instead opting for completely uncalled for customary snide digs. It would be a boring World if everyone agreed.

Personally I thought the forward was very clever for the second one probably picking up on how bad the referee was the way he positioned his body given the way the ball was bouncing. I personally didn't see a push the lad was backing in and Newcastle player was looking at the ball and bumped into the back of him. Plus back to the old rules I thought you had to be denying a clear goal scoring opportunity he never had an awkward ball under controlfor a start. It's far too easy to get sent off and it's spoiling far too many games. At least it was the Geordies so it's funny.

First one was correct as Shelvey was stupid and did aim at least one kick at Lansbury. He didn't make contact and the fanny rolled around but he still deserved a red.

Second one was no different to a striker backing into a defender up the pitch to win a free kick. Lansbury delibrately stopped knowing there was a Newcastle player right behind him. I don't think the defender intended to play the ball, I don't think he intended to do anything as he couldn't react quickly enough.

Oh don't be so fuckin wet man. You know it's the bunker n everyone takes the piss.

I did debate incidents I said both were reds.

I also thought the Newcastle disallowed goal was correctly ruled out too.

So all in all I don't think the ref was that bad, based on my understanding of the rules.

But I'm not a ref. Any refs out there wanna stick up for him or put us right?

It's just what football needs like, more confusing rules too add to other confusing rules like offsides and handballs.


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The Newcastle disallowed goal was certainly no more contact than a Forest defender made on him minutes earlier. If one's a foul why isn't the other? The bookings were debateable too as were several missed fouls.

First one by the letter of the law I suppose was a red even though Lansbury was embarrassing but it was never a penalty. Free kick to Newcastle and have a word with the pair of them and tell to stop behaving like tarts in an ideal football World, in the real one free kick to Newcastle and the red for Shelvey is probably correct. I'd have booked Lansbury for his pathetic play acting though. The refs are bad but players behaving like tits don't help them.

In fairness it was the lino who gave that decision.

The referee is called Steve Martin. The actual fillum star Steve Martin has just Tweeted this to his 8.1million followers

"Evidently, there's someone who's a bad referee with my name, and now there are thousands of English who won't go see my films anymore."

I think the first incident was a red card because the intent was definitely there from shelvey. However, Lansbury was a fucking disgrace last night. The way he rolled around was embarrassing and they should be able to retrospectively ban players who do that.

The second should have been a free kick and a yellow to Lansbury. It is sad to think a talented player would rather play for the foul then make an honest attempt on goal when only 12 yards away. Just shows what the refs are up against when trying to get decidions correct

I didn't even know they were playing!!!!

Equally bad refereeing in the Man City vs Chelsea game. Bottled a blatant red card against David Luiz.

I suppose they're proving me wrong, they are consistent.

I wonder what the governing bodies of football would do if all the referees decided they had had enough of all the hassle and decided to pack in?

They'd never do that as they only do it for the attention!

Can't argue with the sending offs in the Man City game. They should have had the game wrapped up and it should have been against 10 men but when Chelsea inevitably took the lead they imploded through frustration at their own performance as much as the refs. Never knew Aguero had a nasty streak, but then all argies are not nice people deep down eh!

On another day when red cards were thrown around like confetti football needs to become the mans game again that is was when this was merely a bookable offence;


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TBF there are millions of English who don't watch his fillums since Bilko and Clouseau"""

Both red cards have been overturned.

Think that's like an unofficial apology to Newcastle. Shelvey's red card wouldn't normally be overturned as the intent was there and his reaction suggested he expected it.

That said, will the FA now take retrospective action against Lansbury for his part in both reds?

It says a lot when the old biddy from Murder She Wrote is instrumental in a Newcastle defeat

Never happen. They love the power.

Its no coincidence that most of them are either school headmasters or coppers.

Lets hope most of them are more sensible in their day jobs than their reffing jobs.

Ooohhhh controversial.

School headmasters or coppers!? Yeah maybe in 1970

I personally think they should be payed more and ex pros should be fast tracked up football league level. To get to a decent level you have to take up refereeing in your teens which probably means you get bullied at school and are a bit of oddball oh and no good at playing the game.

Even the Premier League referees get an average of about £70,000 a year, not bad money granted but the people they are officiating in some cases earn that in a couple of days.

Dissent and cheating needs clamping down on hard at the top level as well to help the people doing the thankless task on Saturday and Sunday mornings. That Newcastle game was ruined by the ref last week but he was conned by Lansbury cheating like fook. Nothing happens to him even though the powers that be have agreed that he was cheating.

I think of its proved a teams got its points by cheating they should rescind the points.
Maybe they wouldn't be so keen to roll around then.

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Then Mourinho, for example, will get his doctor to say it was a genuine injury and the FA has a legal case on it's hands.

One of the best refs in the local leagues is a former player who lives up blackhall.

You can tell in the way he refs that he has an understanding of the game from a players point of view. Always talking to you, never hiding even if he makes a mistake


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At worst jaw to fist. The fact that Bobby Gould didn't appear to be unconscious for that long and it resulted in no reconstructive surgery should also be taken into consideration.

Honestly can you imagine a fanny like Henri Lansbury being dropped into a game like that with his daft fucking manbun. He literally would last about 20 seconds.

they take action on fouls that refs miss after the games to why not anyone who,s diving etc not receive say a 6 match ban. the clubs would stamp it out overnight if this happened.