Penalty v over head kick.

Hartleblue · **Posted:** Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:36 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhtcluY9FW4

Having watched the penalty decision if their player had done an overhead kick and scored would a free kick be given to Pools? No! so whats the difference? Stupid referee! rakxe

HonestPoolie · **Joined:** Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:46 pm **Posts:** 663

I watched it in slow motion and by the time Toto kicks the ball the players back is turned and and his head far enough away from his boot.

On the Plymouth message board they weren't over complimentary of the ref saying he was bad for both teams and it wasn't a penalty.

Poolie24 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:55 pm

I like Toto and think he has been pretty solid in recent weeks however it was suicidal defending and he gave the referee something to think about, it was suicidal defending in the sense that he was letting the ball run across his body in probably the worst place you could possibly do so.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

He still did enough to get himself out of trouble though, he got enough on the ball to get it out of danger. It was an injustice, never a penalty in a million years. For me the more reckless challenge was from the Plymouth lad he dived in with his back turned to win a ball he had no chance of winning. It wasn't Dangerous play from Toto, the attacker wasn't making an attempt to head the ball anywhere near his foot and Toto made clear context with the ball as it travelled about five yards off his boot. Zlatan scored a very well taken goal in the Manchester derby a couple of weeks ago where his feet were far higher.

You know it's not even close to penalty when 99% of the teams fans who benefitted are saying it wasn't and Trevor Carson said even the Plymouth players were saying it was a ridiculous decision at the end of the game.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

I get the impression PJ is not happy with the decision, if only he'd make his feelings clear.

poolietim · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:14 am

what Toto did however was an error on his part.

He was caught in a poor starting position and let the ball run across him in the middle of the box. That is begging for trouble.

Again he has misjudged a ball (Newport anyone) and its cost us a goal and 2 points.

The ref may be shit but don't give them the opportunity to make a shit decision. Control what we have control of.

Harrison is now out of next game because he gave ref the chance to send him off. Ridiculously poor decision.

If you look at Toto's mistakes he has cost us 6 Pts (back pass Colchester, Newport and Plymouth) and we got away with some of his others at Crewe and Exeter I think when he got himself out of position.

That's a pretty poor points per game record and he seems prone to these. Ok he may have played well in the rest of the game but he can't keep doing this sort of thing.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:48 am

Sorry but the back pass at Colchester didn't directly result in a goal. It was the bad marking from a corner that cost us.

Aberdeen Pools · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:48 am

Hignett is in the paper this morning saying that Harrison's second yellow was ridiculous. I sometimes wonder about Hignett and his judgement, kicking the ball away is a yellow card every week and it was stupid of him to do it. Now we have a pretty big defensive problem on Tuesday night in a game that we really need to win.

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PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

His mistake didn't cost us anything on Saturday the referees did. I don't really get this comment about him giving the ref an opportunity to be shit!? We should be supporting our player not blaming him for a bloke clearly out of his depth.

Also his underhit back pass against Colchester didn't cost us a goal they didn't score. Collectively poor defending from the corner after did. Yes he had an mare against Newport but you can't says he's cost us 6 points!? How can you? That's nonsense, so without his perceived errors we'd be joint second!? So we might have beaten Newport yes but nobody knows that we would have.

Oh and we did great defensively in the game he missed didn't we!? It's a good he wasn't playing at Stevange he might have cost us some points there!?

He is raw, he does clearly have a mistake in him but he often has enough strength and a bit of pace to get himself out of troubled. The good outweighs the bad and he has potential to get a lot better.

Aberdeen Pools · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:25 am

Toto isn't the problem, constantly injured central defenders are.....

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Unless im mistaken the defence has shored up these last 3 games, with Toto starting all 3?

He may have cost us points but then again he has also saved us points with numerous blocks, tackles etc and a goal of course?

He is playing with a different partner and full backs each week, getting used to League football and had a shaky debut, he clearly has the tools to be a very good centre half, just need to iron out a mistake or two and he is getting better each week imo.

I think it was the last home game when he was rock solid, then suddenly one poor header led to their guy getting through on goal and afterwards people were saying how shit he played etc.

Fucking idiots.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Having watched the incident a few times, I can see why the penalty was given. Toto was clumsy at best. He was also very slow to react initially, which probably made the incident look worse.

Having said that, I agree with tree that some fans are just fucking retarded.

StocksfieldPoolie · **Joined:** Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:48 pm **Posts:** 324

If Toto had not kicked the ball, it would have been a foul to us, as their player just threw himself at the ball with his back turned without making any valid attempt to actually play the ball.
To the referee it could have looked as if Toto had kicked him in the face, but even then I don't think that Toto did, he connected with the ball.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Yes, and with hindsight and about 3000 camera angles you are probably correct.

But the ref got one view.

He will have seen what I said above.

Toto let the ball bounmce and turned like a carthorse and was slow to react, and then kicked the ball, with his foot very very high.

If he had left it, I doubt their player was in a position to scaore as he wasnt looking at the ball.

Toto made it possible, due to three actons, for the ref to give a pen.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Im not a referee, n I've never played footy at a high level, but I've played enough Sunday league football to know what high foot is and if you go in for a ball with your foot head height your asking for trouble, even if you win the ball.

To do that so late in the game is freakin stupid

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The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Exactly Yubep. I have played at a very high leveland I know it too.

poolietim · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:03 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

His mistake didn't cost us anything on Saturday the referees did. I don't really get this comment about him giving the ref an opportunity to be guano!? We should be supporting our player not blaming him for a bloke clearly out of his depth.

Also his underhit back pass against Colchester didn't cost us a goal they didn't score. Collectively poor defending from the corner after did. Yes he had an mare against Newport but you can't says he's cost us 6 points!? How can you? That's nonsense, so without his perceived errors we'd be joint second!? So we might have beaten Newport yes but nobody knows that we would have.

Oh and we did great defensively in the game he missed didn't we!? It's a good he wasn't playing at Stevange he might have cost us some points there!?

He is raw, he does clearly have a mistake in him but he often has enough strength and a bit of pace to get himself out of troubled. The good outweighs the bad and he has potential to get a lot better.

He's hardly raw ffs. He's 24 and has played about 150 games at league and conference level.

He doesn't make that awful back pass v Colchester we don't concede that goal.....and he could have defended the corner too.

His error of judgement on Saturday cost us the victory.

I want the bloke to succeed and I'm not just making the stuff up. He is at present a liability who has cost us too many points and it seems at his current rate will do so again and again.

I'm not someone who shouts at players during a match but I think my point here is valid and I guess if you disagree you disagree.

But in my view he is too error prone and I don't see it in him to change as the rate of mistakes he is making suggests he will continue to make them.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9741

I agree.
But its the piss easy chances Laurent keeps missing thats costing us dropped points.
The main reason we not higher up the league is down to not converting relatively easy scoring opportunities rather than defensive mistakes.

Hopefully that changes tonite.

Its a 6pm meet in the CLARENDON tonite if bunkerites can make it.
The start of a good nite for Parmos Birthday!

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

The Colonel wrote:

Exactly Yubep. I have played at a very high leveland I know it too.

Are you talking Machu Pichu high or Roseberry Topping?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Sutton bank mate.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Feck me that is a high level, did you have to build up to it with appropriate altitude training?

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Its not that high.

Just had to be better than most numpties around me. Which wasnt difficult.

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