Big Sam expected to be appointed tomorrow. His last game in charge of Sunderland will be at the Vic tonight.

Sweet baby jesus. The richest football organisation in the world comes ip with this crass decision.

Barking fucking mad.

The new england manager is a failed relic of an outdated football mentality.

I actually want him to fail. At the group stage. To save any further embarrassment.

Fantastic appointment. Hopefully we can get a a big target man on the field and stop trying to do fancy shite and play with flair or whatever they call it these days.

Steve Howard, your hour is nigh!

Whoever manages England, it's always going to be a bit like Handel's Water Music with 100 million quid's worth of wet fireworks.

Just watching this Sunderland friendly game, it's endless hoof balls up to the target man Defoe. Abysmal, outdated football.

Andy Carroll will be pleased with the appointment

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I suppose, for a country where Boris Johnson can be made Foreign Secretary, the appointment could makes sense. In the real world, of course, it's fucking madness and just seems designed to piss off as many people as possible. We are decades behind Germany, France, Spain and Italy - they are all similarly sized countries but who regularly PERFORM at tournaments. With the money swamping the Premiership and the attendances at games, at all levels, we should be the same, fuck all this "pressure" and "the fans expect to much" crap. To do this we need not to just catch up with, but to take a leap ahead of the above teams. Will Allardyce do that? Just what has "Big Sam" ever achieved? Is avoiding relegation thanks to the incompetence of those below a new "must have" for England managers? If so Ronnie Moore's available and he'd be a lot fucking cheaper. Even West Brom and Fulham under Woy avoided relegation with a bit to spare, and played some decent football in the process. The F.A. have accepted we're the international equivalent of Bolton, happy just to hang on in there and keep the tills ringing.
Will Sam make England more "resilient"? Probably.
Will he make it less likely that a country with a population of Bjork, Magnus Magnusson and 300,000 herring will humiliate us? Maybe.
Will he deliver the World Cup/Euros semi-final appearance that was expected of Woy? No fucking Chance.
Will England be tooth wrenchingly bloody awful to watch in a way that will make Sven's teams look cavalier to the point of insanity? Too right!
Despite the Euros debacle I still think England have some very promising players and a Jurgen Klinsmann or Eddie Howe may have got the best from them. All we can look forward to with Sam is that Hart, Rooney and Milner need not bother hanging their international boots up any time soon, fucking hell!!!

We were decades behind those nations you mention, why don't we make that light years now!

The FA have officially given up.

Good appointment.

I'm happy with it


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Can you expand on that opinion?

I am finding this quite funny and it also reminds me of the post brexit debate.

Those shocked by that result gave many many good reasons why it was wrong. Those that supported it just said things like "things couldnt be any worse, and we all need to come together and support the decision"

Now we get Allardyce. Reading the many threads on various message boards, incl the BBC, most have been shocked by it and gave many reasons why, others that have supported it only seem to say "things couldnt be any worse so why not, and we all need to get behind him and support him"

Is that really why some say its a good appointment?

Things couldnt be any worse? Its where we are etc etc.

Its always a race to the fucking bottom in this country, with everything.

We never look up, always down.

Allardyce has pissed off fans of nearly every club he has managed, except Bolton. His win record is quite frankly laughable.

And like I said previously, most of the players are going to come from clubs managed by Mourinho, Guardiola, koeman, Wenger, Klopp, Pochettino and Billic.

And when they get chance to play at the piincle of their careers, international football, they are gonna be managed by Allardyce. You couldnt make this up.

I dont believe a single one of the England players playing under those managers class England appearences as the "pinnacle" of there careers no matter who is in charge. Most of them couldnt give a shit.

I can't believe you still read bbc message boards, and value people's opinion on it.


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You have said you are happy with the appointment. How can anyone value that opinion?

Like I said, its a race to the bottom. It seems some have given up. At the Euros we had good young players, with a shit manager.

He destroyed some of them and didnt play others. Preferring the old guard.

Just wait and see how many of the old guard Allardyce prefers.

You might as well of said, lets just give up and not bother.

Like someone said somwhere else:

Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Everton have all recently change manager. Its amazing that none of them approached Allardyce, as he is seen as the way forward for England.

I am happy with the appointment.

so am I

Why?

Its another excuse he can use not to watch them.

I see.

I am happy with it.

Andy Carroll is very happy

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who's got the biggest napper?

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I'm happy with the appointment!

The fact Sam hasn't been given a top job for me says more about our game than it does him.

British coaches don't get given big jobs, n when they do (moyes) they get 8 months.

If allerdyce, Bruce, Martin oneill, Hughes etc were foreign they'd have been given a top 4 team by now

(Hughes was at city pre top 4 n money so I'm not counting that)

Allerdyce gets given flak for being a dinosaur, not sure why. He was way ahead of his time with sports technology at Bolton, signed cultured foreign lads like jay jay, djorkaeff etc n had about 40 sports scientists on staff.

Really don't get the problem with him.


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I'm keeping an open mind on this. If you look at the many areas in which England have failed, one of the biggest is that they don't seem capable of playing as a unit like the teams that win stuff do. Allardyce seems to be able to get teams to do this.

In his previous roles at unfashionable clubs he has worked with shit hands, and got results. As has been pointed out, he isn't a stranger to flair players, and was a pioneer of the stats stuff.

The main thing we need is getting players who want to play for the team and each other, not fannying about trying to take individual glory. He will have a lot better quality at his disposal than he did at previous clubs, and I don't think he will try to accommodate stars like Hodgson did.

He also has decent man management skills. There is lots of praise for how he gets the best out of each player and how they are always willing to work for him. From memory he didnt have any bother dealing with Okacha, Campo, Hierro, Djorkayeff and even Anelka? Tempremental players but all seemed to do a job for him and cant remember any speaking out against him or being unhappy with tactics etc.

Concurring. Can someone post these messages to dibbles mates on the 606 forums that people stopped reading in 2007?


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He will also bring some of that Welsh passion to our national side.

and you can never have enough passion. We will be like Wales at last.

So you ignored every other point and picked up on one word to make your response?

You are a pathetic pathetic man and should be at the very least sat on by Sam as punishment.

couldnt agree more

The whole thing is laughable.

Roy Hodgson does such a terrible job at two consecutive tournaments that people seem to be forgetting that England should be quite good. They're not some piss-poor Premier League side battling relegation, it's a squad with talented young players in it, who have to get past the titans of Slovakia, Scotland, Slovenia, Lithuania and Malta to reach the World Cup Finals. We don't need a manager like Allardyce to get us there, and he's certainly not the man to outwit oppositions and get the most out of the squad when we are there.

Big Sam isn't a dinosaur, but he's not far off. He does deserve credit for adopting data analysis, but just because somebody does it first, doesn't mean they do it best. Tactically he's still miles behind the majority of Premier League managers, and that's what you need to go deep into an international tournament. Look at the Italians, they finish above us in 2014 but still sack their manager and appoint Conte, a known tactician. At the Euros, with a poorer squad than England, they're unfortunate to go out in the quarters on penalties to the world champions. England for some reason stick with Hodgson for two more years, go out to Iceland and are now appointing a man fresh lifting Sunderland a whole two places in seven months.

He's such an average manager and while his giant ego means his tenure will be entertaining, it's going to be two or four years of footballing mediocrity with a squad that's capable of better.

Viva Allardici.

Anutha old timer laughing all the way to the bank with his early retirement fund.

He 'adopted data analysis' in 1999, 17 years ago it's hardly visionary now really all of the top clubs actually employ several people to implement it these days. Plus the/his theory isn't too far enough what Graham Taylor called 'percentage football' back in the 80's. For all the years in the top flight the pinnacle of his achievements has been finishing 8th with Bolton a couple of times.


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Keeping an open mind on this one.
But one thing for sure, He will build his team around a defensive
core/spine. And hit teams on the break.

The Italians have been doing it for years with SOME success.lol
Leicester also last season.

Make yourself difficult to beat and you have every chance.

Big Sam has lost more games than he's won in three of his last four jobs.

How many of them clubs have had a manager were this doesnt apply?

Err the one he left 12 months ago (universally disliked by the fans.) Bilic transformed the quality of football and improved results in months, and in his first season managing achieved a higher finish than Sam has in 20 years as a manager.

seriously, I dont contribute on the food thread as I know nowt. There are a few that shouldnt contribute on a football thread for the same reason. Tree?

I also wouldn't be surprised if David Moyes came in and improved Sunderland.

ahh so 1 at West Ham.

My point is that to use a stat like "lost more games than he's won in three of his last four jobs." at the sort of clubs he has managed means fuck all. If he had been managing Chelsea/Man U etc then it would mean something.

I don't think it means fuck all.

For a manager who supposedly makes his sides hard to beat, and has just been given a massive job because of that, it does suggest that thinking is a little flawed.

A crude stat yes, but it's not irrelevant.

Managers with actual decent records(not just ones who like to tell everyone they have great records) win more games than they lose, generally ones who lose more than they win, like Allardyce, manage teams who finish in the bottom half of the League. That's not just Chelsea and Manchester United.

I don't see anything in his record that qualifies him for the supposed top job in the country.

He has never had the chance to manage Man U, Man C, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham.

Ask yourself why.

and of course he will go through the same honeymoon period as his predecessors, in that we have an easy qualifying group, and he will look better than he really is.

Thankfully the next world cup is in russia so not many will care about it.

Finally confirmed, I think we'll be pleasantly surprised with Allardyce. Don't get people writing him off already, think he is a good choice and straight talking who can manage big players.