Give him the job, get an English dinosaur in who knows how to setup a team and won't give a shit about player reputations. If nowt else it would make the colonel choke on his kebab.

Seriously though I'd have Big Sam or Glenn Hoddle over anyone else. Allardyce may have a reputation for hoof ball but when Bolton were at their peak they were good to watch and certainly over achieved. He's not scared of upsetting folk either.

I dont want to, but will put you on ignore, and some drugs if you mention Allerdyce ever again.

I thought he was on about Collins. What's his alleged job nowadays?

Dyche and Howe are both tremendous young managers - but neither has the CV/ wallet/ ego to front up against the media manipulating, back stabbing, overpaid, image rights holders (once referred to as professional footballers) and their partners.

Woy couldn't/ didn't stand up to them.

We all knew straight away that Rooney was unhappy at being dropped - who told who?

And the Mrs Vardy/ Rooney spat.

And over the coming days the media will report on the unhappiness and frustrations of our pampered superheroes!

My suggestion? EDDIE JONES.....

It's almost an impossible task motivating a group of young millionaires who don't give a shit. That's why teams like Iceland seem more of a team, it mean's everything to them and their fans. Unless the England set up is given a full overhaul nothing will change.

The problem with Hodgson is that he never knew what his best 11 was and kept tinkering so much that players were all over the place just so could accommodate Rooney.

Jurgen Klinsmann for me. Inspirational and deeply respected, even by the current pampered, shower of shit squad, and his teams play high tempo, entertaining football. The manager can be from Pluto for all I care, Southgate is just another Hodgson in the making and Hoddle, like Waddle, talks a great game from the sidelines - but so do I and I'm ruling myself out! And chose our next squad entirely from players outside "The Prem", the current spoilt fuckers probably have a backroom team to wipe their arses. If Herr Klinsmann has any sense, however, he will tell the F.A. (the most appropriately abbreviated organisation in the world) to shove it up their arschloch. The whole England set-up is just a gravy train of almost FIFA proportions and needs to be entirely rebuilt - but as long as the dollars, yen, rupees, baht and yuans keep pouring into the trough that's never going to happen.
Fuck the fucking lot of the fuckers.

You forgot roubles.

Klinsmann not a bad shout.

Doesn't Klinsmann live in California? Can't see him coming over here unless it was for some serious coinage. Also, I think his "success" was more borne to Joachim Lowe than it was him.

Yeah definitely as can be seen by how crap USA were under him?!

Allardyce, could this week get any worse!?

Might as well throw Mick Taits hat into the ring.


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Steve Maclaren and his brolly is available, I believe!!!!!!!

Could well be the big headed one..

https://www.safc.com/news/club-news/201 ... -allardyce

The Colonel will be pleased.

I think he may surprise a few people without being spectacular. He won't be as wet as Roy for a start and in all honesty he's about the level England are at.

He's the best english candidate, and IMO is a very under rated manager.

Done well with bolton, west ham and sunderland.

Worth a chance, hopefully wont pander to the FA or the big charlie players.

Read his book last month and he came across well.

I honestly don't think he'd be any better than Hodgson. I suppose he does have a reputation as being impressively gruff but, like Hodgson, he's fashioned his career with clubs who don't really have any sort of great expectation. There's a way to go about setting them up in a way that doesn't really apply to teams such as England who have realistic chances of, if not winning a tournament, then at least making a decent impression on it. Time will tell of course but it doesn't strike me as a good idea appointing Allardyce.

USA fans seem somewhat unhappy with Klinsmann. Decent read about their fortunes under him here https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jun/02/jurgen-klinsmann-usa-coach-copa-america.

After being disappointed by England regularly since 1990 I'm not really bothered but I personally think Allardyce is the best fit right now. At the very least he'd have a system and stick to it, rather than pissing around trying to fit square pegs in round holes.

Arsene Wenger for me.

Fantastically knowledgable, knows the Players including youth coming through and stubborn as fook. He also needs a new challenge.

Sam doesn't strike me as tactically astute, which is what I think we need.

He would probably be a good Wales manager - but England, nope, not for me.

Tactically i think the problem is we've tried to be too astute.

We need to be a bit more basic, football goes in cycles, 5/6 year ago it was all about possession, 1 upfront etc, i think its shifting again, becoming more direct, clubs like portugal n leicester having success with 4-4-2 show us this.

Sam for me is unfairly portrayed as tactically poor, i think he's direct, but not long ball direct.

Jesus wept.

Just jesus bloody wept.

I give up. I wouldnt let Allerdyce run a sunday league team.

At least he will ensure England dont end up in the relegation zone.

And he is 61, and will be 63 at the next world cup.

Its Graham Taylor all over again.

Jesus wept.

His highest Premier League finish is 8th, in all the years of blowing his own trumpet and talking himself up that's the best he has ever done.

This is like when Mike Bassett got the job.

Did the 4 managers in the Euro semis have brilliant club records?

Serious question, I know Colemans is shite, Deschamps was at Juve was he? Portugals and Germanys managers I dont know what they did at club level tbh.

Were a bog standard national side, maybe a bog standard manager is best we can hope for?

So we've give up then?

Why not bring a bog standard manager with at a reputation at least of playing some half decent football to watch. England still have a nucleus of young exciting attacking players and some good technical players. We'll just lump to do Andy Carroll though eh? The man is bellend as well, a pure bellend. The only positive is the England job is a career killer and he might not be so full of himself after he gets sacked after a draw with Afghanistan sees us exit the next World Cup.

Just playing young/exciting/technically very good players etc doesnt seem to be getting us anywhere though does it?

Im not a big fan of Big Sam at all but maybe a blend of styles would reap more rewards than the tried and tested? Lets be honest, his team dont always lump up to a big man do they? at Sunderland I dont think he had one yet still managed to save them and lots of his signings have been technically very good/skillful players etc.

He was quick to jettison that big strapping lad Fletcher off to Marseille and he played Defoe up top. He gets a lot of unwarranted criticism.

His style doesn't reap rewards though he has hardly ever finished in the top half of the League. He went on when like he was massively over achieving at a small club at West Ham, well look at the season they had last year when they answered the fans prayers and got rid of him.

He's at a club now with probably the lowest ambition and small minded mentality in the League I think Sunderland fans would be alright finishing third bottom if Newcastle finished second bottom.

I'm all for giving it to an English manager but he should nowhere near the job, I'd much rather go for and stick with someone like Eddie Howe and give him time.

Maybe because he is absolutely garbage and Defoe is a proven goal scorer. Not exactly rocket science that one

Im not sure why you keep banging on about finishing in the top half of the Premier League and then say give it to Eddie Howe.

Neither will likely ever land one of the top 6 or so jobs in the country so I wouldnt expect either to be ever manage at the top of the Premier League.

But it still puts to bed a little the whole "hoof it" merchant portrayal he regularly gets. For Sunderland he's signed some very decent, technical players, such as Wahbi Kasri, that half decent Tunisian winger. He's got a good eye for talent, he proved it at Bolton. Heck, even Slaven Billic (whom I rate very highly) has persevered with Andy Carrol . If you'd have asked me about 4 years ago I'd have dismissed it out of hand but with the current candidates why not give him a chance? He might actually start picking players who want to play for England. Half of the Portugal team I'd never even heard off to be honest but they managed to dig it out and win the bloody thing.

Howe has managed one season in the top flight with a club who has taken from the Fourth Division, hardly comparable to Fat Sam.

An example of him is in his last season at West Ham they got an incredibly lucky 0-0 at Stamford Bridge at Mourinho accused him of playing 'dark age football' or something. Allardyce was giving it the big one saying he can't take being 'out tactic'd'. They put everyone behind the ball and didn't cross the half way line!! Great tactics. They went to Man City in the Semi Final first leg of the Carling Cup he tried the same tactical master plan and they lost about 7-0.

I look forward to seeing us appoint a manager who has never lost a game before in their career.

Great point well made you've really added to the thread.

It looks like he's getting the job, but I've never rarer him as a manager never liked his style of the play and never liked him so I'm not going to change because he's betting the England job.

We've had Capello and Sven, both huge names in management who've won plenty in their careers.
Maybe the problem isn't the manager?
Whoever said he's never finished higher than 8th needs to rethink their argument as the teams he's managed haven't been big teams. West Ham are the only team to improve after he left and they had brought in Payet amongst others. He will get the England team with fire in their bellies, that is what English teams should be about. He focuses on set piece a lot, nowt wrong with that.

I'm not his biggest fan but there's not a single better candidate for me.

Good for you.

Just when you think the country can't get any worse and you've finally reached the basement of despair you find a whole chasm of misery opens up below you.
Big Sam! Big fucking Sam!!! his nickname say's it all - why not exhume John bastard Wayne?
At best he's like Woy with attitude - can manage limited sides to achieve their, equally limited, ambitions. When he took over at Sunderland I told my Mackem friend that he wouldn't get them relegated but that was all he was capable of doing. This is all about the F.A. appointing someone they can "work with", i.e. he won't rock the boat and tell the whole shower of wank to resign en masse like they should. We will have officially accepted that merely qualifying for future tournaments is the limit of our hopes, and that is a disgrace for a country where this game of footie we invented means so much.

Sounds like a good place to start to me!

So, I assume, you'll be happy with a repeat of our performance at the last two tournaments? That is what I meant by "limited ambitions". The F.A., however, think we should be reaching the semis at least. How they expect Allardyce to deliver such ambitions God knows.

That's an extremely confusing sentence, you meant our poor performance against Iceland was our limited ambition? Nobody wanted to perform poorly against Iceland.

The majority of the Premier League teams are made up of imports with a sprinkling of home grown talent who are made to look good playing alongside the imported players. When they play for England they are lost with out their Premier League teammates and bearing in mind the more successful Managers are foreign, makes me wonder why it called the English Premier League ?

At least John Wayne could keep us entertained with his hilarious epilogue speeches.

"And they'll keep on living as long as the squad lives. The pay is a hundred and thirty thousand dollars a week; their diet, caviar and oysters. Maybe foie gras before this campaign is over. They'll Fight over Hugo Boss or D&G but share the last drop of champagne in their bottles. The faces may change... the names... but they're there: they're the squad... the regular players... now and fifty years from now. They're better men than they used to be. Big Sam did that. He made it a command to be proud of."

Anyway Victor McLaglen would have knacked JW in a real foight.

Eddie Howe would be a big gamble by the FA. The next world cup qualifying group is not what you'd describe as dangerous but it certainly looks problematic to the extent that a novice could easily come undone. Or a manager like Allardyce for that matter. The qualifying group we got for the 1994 world cup didn't look particularly hard on paper given the top two qualified (Holland, Norway, Poland, Turkey, San Marino) but under Taylor's guidance you'd think England had been given the toughest draw going.

We have enough good young players that need a manager prepared to give them the chance to shine in their proper positions.

If only Hodgson had done it, like he did in the friendlies.

Its ridiculous to suggest w eare that bad we may as well appoint a bad manager. Thats what you are all saying.

Stones, Ali, Dier, Kane, Rashford, Barkley, Buttland, Walker, Rose all quality players. Then others that could get to be as good, Sterling, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ibe, Shaw, Linegard.

Cant see too many of them getting a game for Allardyce.

Most of the players are going to be playing for Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Wenger, Pochetino, Conte, Koeman, and Ranieri,

Then suddenly, at what should be the pinnicle, they are going to have to play for Allardyce.

Is it April 1st?

Replace 'Allardyce' in your second last sentence with any manager linked with the job and it will be a let down from the top names you mention. Southgate, Pardew, Bruce et al.

A top, top manager ain't gonna want the job.

Keegan summed it up perfectly in one of his articles, all overrated and overhyped due to the quality of foreign players playing around them.

Loads of top, top managers would want the England job it's one of the best salaries in World football for a start. I think Mourinho has said previously if the time was right he'd interested. I think Wenger would also be interested. Capello was interested. I don't even think it takes a massive name it takes someone who can get the best out of the young exciting talent we have and remove that fear factor when we get to tournaments. I don't see anything on Allardyce's cv that makes him a good candidate in the respect I don't see a situation were he needs to save England from relegation.

If it's possible to win any tournament on dour goalless draws, he's the man.

They have seen Portugal win by boring everyone shitless and see it as the way forward.

His face is fooking massive. Not sure if that is strictly relevant to the job but it is huge.

The only difference between him and Steve McLaren is that he'd have done without the brolly and got soaked - 'cos he's just sooo butch!

Sam discovered it years ago, the Portugese are novices. Ronaldinho was a twinkle in Max Headrooms eye when Sam had perfected his formula.