Who stays and who goes?

Aberdeen Pools · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:46 pm

Not sure if a thread like this has already been started? Apologies if it has. Without knowing contract lengths given at the start of the season who would you release? For me I'd let the following go,

Jordan Richards
Ebby Nelson-Addy
Kudus Oyenuga
Rhys Oates
Scott Harrison
Harry Worley
Scott Fenwick
Rob Jones
Brad Walker

Assuming we won't see Gray and Jackson back who must be destined for a higher league next season then that's a fairly big change. We might see James back on a season long loan and I'd like to see Hignett work with Bingham to see if he can improve his game and get some confidence back.

Excited to see Hignetts recruitment during the summer. Not sure what others think regarding Walker and Fenwick but I don't see much of a future for them at Pools.

Blue Beard · **Joined:** Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:12 pm **Posts:** 694

There are a few on there I'd keep just in case we struggle to recruit...

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

You can't release Rhys Oates he's the best at jumping at the club.

Seriously though a few of those who you've listed I imagine are under contract. Ronnie Moore said only 5 senior players are out of contract. Two of those were possibly Hawkins and Carson.

alibarthez · **Joined:** Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1072

I would keep Oates his work rate is phenomenal and he is a perfect cover player. Walker is a difficult one for sure. and I would give up on Bingham his positional sense to me says he will never be a striker of any note. The rest I fully agree.

HonestPoolie · **Joined:** Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:46 pm **Posts:** 663

With the amount of players we signed I'd be amazed if only 5 were out of contract, I can't see him willingly giving himself such little room for manoeuvre this window if he'd still been here.

I think who does will also depend on how big of a squad Higgy wants for next season; if we got rid of 7 and the loans went back we'd still have 20 players which is still too big if you're wanting to add a fair few. The pretty sad thing is the likes of Worley, Kudus, Nelson-Addy go and we wouldn't even notice.

Given the fact we've had young keepers on trial for the reserves I'm assuming Denton will be gone at the end of the season and is this Nearney's third year as a pro? He has made 1 sub appearance in that time I think so I'm assuming he'll probably be on his way as well.

demented twig · **Joined:** Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:09 pm **Posts:** 1043

with the correct coaching all of those players are potentially good players

Lord_of_Stranton · **Joined:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:48 pm **Posts:** 1852

Aberdeen Pools wrote:

Jordan Richards
Ebby Nelson-Addy
Kudus Oyenuga
Rhys Oates
Scott Harrison
Harry Worley
Scott Fenwick
Rob Jones
Brad Walker

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:53 am

According to the mail today, we have a conveyor belt of young talent, they mentioned Luke James and Brad Walker alongside the newest model, Jack Blackford!

I would release Bingham, Worley, Oyenuga, Fenwick, Smith and Jones, Harrison and Walker may be improved by Hignett, Harrison was solid in his first spell, maybe just needs direction.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

Spot on. Hignett's comment on the OS about Hawkins contract extension sums it up: "“His attitude, commitment and willingness to learn and play the way we’re playing has been brilliant."

Not that the fans are necessarily going to buy into everything the coaches want. Second half against York when Pools kept passing it around at the back some folk were going their ends, demanding that the ball be booted upfield. York were defending very deep and the intention was obviously to draw them forward and give the likes of Luke James space to run into - but it's a test of patience and at our level there's always the risk that someone will stand on the ball or otherwise bollox it up.

Can't see Harrison, for one, adapting to this style of play, so it's on to pastures new for him.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

Chip Fireball wrote:

The manager spoke last week about the way he wants to play, and also about educating the fans so that they appreciate how he wants us to play so that a section of them don't start twisting like fuck when we are passing the ball about rather than just banging it long.

With that in mind there are going to be players who might be good players, or who might have the potential to be good players, but who don't fit the bill.

Defenders will clearly need to be comfortable playing the ball out from the back, or across the back, and everyone on the books will clearly need to have the intelligence to play the way the manager wants us to play. There will obviously be the need to play at a high tempo and work like fuck to press the opposition when they have the ball.

It's refreshing to have a manager with that philosophy who will be looking to sign players that fit the blueprint, rather than just going out and signing anyone who has a half decent game in a friendly, then trying to fathom out how to accommodate them.

Of the list put forward by the OP I wouldn't be shocked if the lot went, though suspect Oates may be kept. I can also see the likes of Nerarney, Denton, Bingham and Dan Jones going.

Watch the highlights on Pools World from Saturday, there's a section in the middle of the first half where first Bates, then Jackson, run with the ball skipping past York Midfielders like they aren't there. Refreshing indeed.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:49 am

I think the ones that will definitely see the door are Josh Nearny, Jordan Richards, Ebby Nelson-Addy and Kudus Oyenuga. I think the rest will depend on if we manage to keep hold of James, Jackson and Gray.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Its Oates first season in professional football, he is young and will no doubt be able to play the kinda of football Hignett wants us too. Plus the fact he works hard and tracks back will be a big plus presuming Hignett wants to carry on the current formation. I imagine its a difficult balance between attacking/tracking back and knowing how wide to be in the role either side of Paynter. Will take time and im sure Oates will pick it up.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

I think you should all just let Hignett choose and then back his judgement.

Thats another thread closed.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Alright buzz killington

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2478

Nearney has just signed a pro contract and is seen by the manager primarily as a right back. Our collection or right backs is rising nicely again...

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Presuming he sees Duckworth more in the role he fulfilled on Saturday then.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:57 pm

This indecision's bugging me.

HonestPoolie · **Joined:** Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:46 pm **Posts:** 663

JohnnyMars wrote:

Nearney has just signed a pro contract and is seen by the manager primarily as a right back. Our collection or right backs is rising nicely again...

Have to say I'm surprised by this one, when we played a 'strong' reserve side a few weeks ago he was on the bench, I thought he's be going the journey after that.

As for Duckworth I wouldn't be surprised to see him go, he's not had the best of injury records this season and Magnay is the preferred choice at right back. Having said that, with Fleming's work, he could hopefully improve the defensive side of his game and have some real competition.

chunky1988 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:33 pm **Posts:** 1066

duckworth could easily still be argued is our best right back. what he offers going forward is definitely the best at the club and I can't imagine he is on a lot of wage. Plus hignett was around when he signed and he was excellent that season so it's definitely in him to be that standard again

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I think Duckworth has improved defensively already at the time he got injured this season he was about the only one playing consistently well. It's just unlucky for him that Magnay has took the right back slot and that coincided with our upturn in results. Nothing down to Duckworth just unlucky really.

It would absurd releasing him, ridiculous, the problem could be him wanting to stay if he isn't getting much game time. Hopefully we have an option on his contract.

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2478

Can't see us letting Duckworth or Magnay go - they are both decent players in their own way. Duckworth is a good attacking player, although I'm not convinced he has a future in a more forward position. Magnay always looks like he has a mistake in him but he shows a level of commitment unmatched elsewhere at the club and can play in a few different positions. If I was Richards I'd be worried though come the end of the season.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Is Carroll a doubt? I personally wouldn't like to see many changes tomorrow play as a strong a team as possible the last four games are a great test of where we are for next season.

I think the back up left back would be Duckworth now he's fit, him or Magnay can play in either full back position. This young lad Nearney is also a full back and you also have Dan Jones. Richards did ok in a couple of games this season but you have to think his days are numbered.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Duckworth played left back quite a bit last season and did pretty well maybe it was just rustiness coming back after a long lay off?

Richards did very well in a couple games you are right but then had one of the worst halves I've seen a professional footballer have in that nightmare first half against Notts County albeit in
horrible conditions. He's been here a while and never established himself as a first team player and we are over subscribed in his position. I would actually play Magnay left back and Duckworth right if Carroll was out due Duckworth offering more going forward on the right than he would on the left.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

I saw Josh nearney play for the reserves a few weeks back and he was the one surprise in the side.

Like Jones, I think he can also play in the middle and so maybe his versatility puts him above Henderson.

With similar type players, who are not particularly outstanding coming through year after year, maybe it's just a money thing and although Henderson has done nothing particularly wrong, he just hasn't made sufficient progress and so time for another young lad to try to win a regular spot.

mib1975 · **Joined:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:02 pm **Posts:** 308

Surely you mean Harrison! !

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2478

I agree with the Dan Jones comments - always looked a decent defender to me, although improvements could be made with his distribution. I can't understand why he has been overlooked so often - definitely one to persevere with.

ernie python · **Joined:** Sun May 26, 2013 9:02 pm **Posts:** 88

Lord_of_Stranton wrote:

Aberdeen Pools wrote:

Jordan Richards
Ebby Nelson-Addy
Kudus Oyenuga
Rhys Oates
Scott Harrison
Harry Worley
Scott Fenwick
Rob Jones
Brad Walker

Is that red for stopping here and green for on yer bike?, or red for danger and green for OK stopping here?. Just asked the missus what she thought and she said that reminded her and she gave me a paintbrush and a pot of paint and pointed to the spare room.

Lord_of_Stranton · **Joined:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:48 pm **Posts:** 1852

It's actually just my list of suspects for the threesome injunction.

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:58 pm

Chesssington wrote:

I saw Josh nearney play for the reserves a few weeks back and he was the one surprise in the side.

Like Jones, I think he can also play in the middle and so maybe his versatility puts him above Henderson.

With similar type players, who are not particularly outstanding coming through year after year, maybe it's just a money thing and although Henderson has done nothing particularly wrong, he just hasn't made sufficient progress and so time for another young lad to try to win a regular spot.

I didn't realise Kevin Henderson was still at the club, must be in his forties now, does he room share for away games with Jordon Mellish?

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Chesssington wrote:

I saw Josh nearney play for the reserves a few weeks back and he was the one surprise in the side.

Like Jones, I think he can also play in the middle and so maybe his versatility puts him above Henderson.

With similar type players, who are not particularly outstanding coming through year after year, maybe it's just a money thing and although Henderson has done nothing particularly wrong, he just hasn't made sufficient progress and so time for another young lad to try to win a regular spot.

I didn't realise Kevin Henderson was still at the club, must be in his forties now, does he room share for away games with Jordon Mellish?

He clearly didnt mean Kevin Henderson did he?

Was obviously talking about Damien Henderson.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:16 pm

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Chesssington wrote:

I saw Josh nearney play for the reserves a few weeks back and he was the one surprise in the side.

Like Jones, I think he can also play in the middle and so maybe his versatility puts him above Henderson.

With similar type players, who are not particularly outstanding coming through year after year, maybe it's just a money thing and although Henderson has done nothing particularly wrong, he just hasn't made sufficient progress and so time for another young lad to try to win a regular spot.

I didn't realise Kevin Henderson was still at the club, must be in his forties now, does he room share for away games with Jordon Mellish?

He clearly didnt mean Kevin Henderson did he?

Was obviously talking about Damien Henderson.

Don't be daft Tree

Clearly meant the Poolie goalscoring legend... Liam Henderson

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Joe Mac wrote:

Don't be daft Tree

Clearly meant the Poolie goalscoring legend... Liam Henderson

No he didnt.

He meant ex physio Brian Henderson.

(That may be utter bollocks but i seem to remember a physio with a tash from about 1990 who I think had the surname Henderson?)

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Gary Henderson I think?

He meant Damian Henderson anyway.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

PJPoolie wrote:

Gary Henderson I think?

He meant Damian Henderson anyway.

Was Damien a centre back turned striker or striker turned centre back? I remember he was useless at both like however his "thighs the limit" celebration sticks in my mind more than it should.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

Oops

Fook me, I had Jordan Henderson in my head rather than Jordan Richards.

Good job nobody noticed bbolt

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