Northampton manager, obviously doing a good job this season in the cyclical world of football management (give it a couple of years he'll be doing the same thing and be getting sacked) the man is clearly and a geniune proper, bell end. An utter cock.

I've just listened to an interview where he mentioned the pitch and pitch then said the players 'didn't run about for Ronnie Moore.' Fuck Me. If they have won 10 games in a row this division is even shitter than I thought it was. Does he think we were set up the same? Arsehole. Plus we tried to play far more than they did.

But today was massive from our point of view, we were actually better than them. We were compact, organised, well drilled. We had a game plan. Paynter was class, that 11 today as ridiculous as it sounds with us being 3rd bottom of the league is probably one nasty bastard in the middle of the park from being a decent team.

He also said we were excellent.

He did and he was right.

He talked loads of shit as well. That game he was at we played 4-4-2 and were wide open, it's not all about 'running about' is it? His comments are as shit as taking 400 away fans when you have won ten games in a row.

Think his point is that we played very well yesterday and if the players tried a bit harder under RM, we wouldn't be where we are now. Can't disagree. We should be lower mid table with this squad.

The only thing he seems to not know much about is that RM's set up never gave the players much of a chance and a lot of them had already given up under him, sick of being treated like bell ends.

Maybe if his players run around more tbey'd have extended their impressive run

I do know where he is coming from but has conveniently only blamed the players and not the manager

He's questioning our players integrity implying that they weren't trying. We've been shit this season but at no point have I felt that. We were better set up tactically yesterday.

Yes we were awful in that game he saw but he has no right to say that, managers are also responsible for a teams performance.

I'd agree with Wilder. The game against Stevenage was absolutely embarrassing especially when we could have dragged them into the scrap with us, the players didn't try. Why? Because they weren't playing for the manager, Ronnie had lost the dressing room and was tactically inept. I like Wilder, he's another Keith Curle. An absolute shithouse of a guy but a good manager. Nice guys don't make good managers.

Pep Guardiola seems a nice chap and on a trophy per season basis he must be top.

That Sir Bobby Robson was canny.

Are you honestly saying you've seen us give that much effort under Ronnie Moore this season? The Derby performance was on par with it, but other than that I haven't seen us come close.

Back to 'the ward' you go.

Or maybe....Ronnie hadn't got a clue and the players were not being properly managed.

I can't recall sitting there and thinking that any of the players aren't trying. I've seen us struggle to get into games because we've been outnumbered in midfield. I've seen players making mistakes and lacking confidence. That is very different to not trying.

Where is the evidence that Keith Curle is a good manager?

The majority of footballers are shouty meat heads or "proper football men" as they like to call themselves hence more of these characters will pop up in the game. I would argue that non of these are really successful to any real extent? If you have the resources you should always employ a coach who can organise and improve players not an idiot like Sherwood, Moore, Curle et al……

Almost no professionals in England go into games not trying they might not want to play for manager or have low moral. Its easy to blame players for no effort, the type of thing someone who wanted Keith Curle in would say.

Agree with Pirlo - and let's not forget that it also looked like they'd all met sometime before kick off, had a plan, and an enthusiasm to make said plan work.

Say hello to Nursey on you way back in.

Do you honestly think the team would be better if they 'ran a bit harder' for Ronnie.?

You are contradicting yourself it's not as simplistic as 'running about' is. You have just said that.

It's the managers job to make the team enthusiastic, give them a plan that suits there strengths and to make them look like a 'team'

Players are responsible for their own performances of course they are but they also need to be managed or clubs wouldn't spend millions on managers would they? So it's not a case of what Wilder is suggesting that they weren't 'running about for the manager' and that's why we lost that is absolute nonsense they were running about but chasing shadows largely due to the formation and picking the wrong players in wrong positions. 'Not trying a leg' was his actual comment. Just look at the Salford away game (when my serious doubts started) Moore almost distanced myself from the performance on the telly at the end, due to him be clearly and rightfully embarrassed by it. I didn't see any inclination from him at that time that he believe he was even partly responsible for the shite we produced. Where they not trying that night as well it was he just not getting the best out of them?

Is anybody allowed to say pool aren't trying or just Chris wilder? I thought they have not been trying in some cases for the past several seasons. Looking for some guidance on weather I should remove these thoughts.

Anyone's allowed to say it. I don't have to agree with it though.

It's an accusation I'd associate with clueless people phoning radio phone ins saying. Footballers when they take the field are playing for there livelihoods and futures especially at a club like Pools so I doubt any professional takes a field very often and simply doesn't try. You'd have to be a pretty big idiot for that to be the case. It's sport you have people playing directly against you who might be better, you might be down or confidence or even luck. You might be out of position or carrying a knock loads of factors effect performance.

Name some players who haven't tried?

Likely 1000's over the years. We've all been in the position when we haven't given out best for a boss we don't like. To suggest footballers don't do this is naive

I'm sure they have but I think it's probably less common than is implied especially at Pools level. You aren't just playing for a manager you are playing for yourself and career. So if you get binned by Pools where do you go from that? You can't compare everyday jobs to professional sport, another phone in cliche.

Wilder had it spot on. It was obvious to anyone who didnt have pickled onions for eyes that the players are more comfortable and enjoying it under Hignett so only natural there will be extra effort/hunger.

Luscombe, Howard, Donaldson, Gibb, Parnaby, Bates, Oyenuga. Just for a few in my idiotic mind. Never phoned a sports radio station get enough arm chair supporters asking why pools then not listening in my personal life. PJ have a opinion just don't feel it necessary to ram it down our throats. The team wasn't trying as hard as they could collectively and individually looking to blame others. I feel the same as Danny mills put it when Newcastle where playing Liverpool. Losing form miss placing passes is acceptable but not closure down a man making tackles and attempt to win the ball in the air is not acceptable. Under Moore these basics where lacking all over the park if you accepting no responsibility is not trying no matter how much you kid yourself.

You appear to have confused effort with ability.

Dean Gibb, that's going back a few years

Ali gibb was the one in mention been a professional sportsman who cannot keep himself fit is not trying well for me.

Pittington you are missing the point being made by Wilder he said in a specific game that our players didn't try, a game most of us were at and I didn't see a single accusation of not trying after.

Lack of professionalism and ability is a different matter completely.

Chips post was spot on agreed with all of it. But a lot of the factors that effect a players performance can be traced back to the manager, Wilder seemed to think our players got Moore sacked on purpose and he didn't put a foot wrong because we had the cheek to not be as terrible as we were against Stevange and gift them three points.

In the Derby game that has been mentioned under Moore we set up with a similar system and played just about as well. That Stevange we played 4-4-2 with young Gray as one of the two in midfield. That's nothing to do with effort.