ritchie

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:33 am

Bloody hell!

We lend a player to a team doing very well in a division above us.
But he's not good enough for our team.

It doesn't make sense.

Unless Wilson has someone coming in on loan........

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:41 am

Wilson: "He's a fantastic pro and I am sure he will do well at Port Vale but at this moment in time we just want to try and change it round a little bit".

I can see what he's getting at. It confirms what some of us were saying in that long thread. You can't break completely free of the losing mentality without making a complete break.
A short term gambit - and gamble - aimed at the long term good.

I know Ritchie's no bairn but Port Vale might do for him what Boston did for Boydy.

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

BUT didnt the loan window close at midnight last night

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

Dibble wrote:

Staggered.

Someone had better be coming in on loan. Never mind must be.

So.........................Brackstone is higher up wilsons agenda :shock:

than Humphreys.

If thats the case...............then WILSON IS A STUPID C-U-N-T.

Unless of course he sees Robson as his left back......then that would be OK. :roll:

didnt liddle come with the reputation of being able to play left back
if so ben clarke back in and liddle left back

Mute Witness · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 am **Posts:** 3568

I expect Liddle to play left back as without Robson we won't have a left winger.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:06 am

I can't really blame Wilson for wanting to mould HIS own team. I don't think he got a chance to do that at MkDonkeys.
Many of us won't agree with his choices but he's been managing far longer than any of us have so I'm willing to cut him a bit of slack and let him get on with it.

I'm sure this is just the beginning of his remoulding process and Bracca will probably not be part of his long term plans, although he might have seen something to suggest he can improve - after all he's still a bit of a rookie at left back in league games.

Dibble wrote:

After being left out in favour of robson and Brackstone wouldnt you ask for a move? :roll:

Nope.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:31 am

If he doesn't want to play for us then he is better not being on the wage bill.

I'm with Monty in letting Wilson crack on and mould the team that he wants- then we can judge him instead of making snap decisions now. After all, Boland looked good and helped us to our first league win, who is to say that the team won't be stronger still when he has finished?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:52 am

Come off it - when you get dumped at work you know it's going to be years before you get another chance. And going UP a division is hardly what you call being dumped. It's more like being loaned to a bigger company with a better job.

Looking at the Port Vale manager's comments on their site, he hasn't brought Ritchie in just to warm the bench - he fully intends to use him. He even hopes to keep him for three months. And I think he will rise to the challenge because he won't be affected by Hartlepoolitis. So when he does come back he'll be a like a new player.

Oh and by the way he's still only 28.

Dibble wrote:

And the fact that we have no quality left sided players seems to have eluded some of you.

Ah shit you're right, I never noticed that!

Not having a left side is a tradition at Pools, like doing well on Fridays!

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:55 am

Dibble wrote:

So Humphreys gets dumped at 30.

How old is Boland? :roll:

And the fact that we have no quality left sided players seems to have eluded some of you. :roll:

I am all for letting DW mould his own team, but.............................Brackstone and Robson the ONLY options???????? :shock:

and sorry guys.......................if you were dumped at work for someone clearly inferior, then you would also look to leave.

He hasn't been performing to his full potential of late, age doesn't come into it.

Again, like Monty says, if a change of scenery brings him back to us a better player then what is the harm.

True, I would have played him at left back this weekend, but I don't think that he is that much better than Brackstone in that position as some of you seem to and I think that Robson is a much bigger threat on the wing than the Humphreys we have seen performing in the last 12 months.

the mad one · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:05 am

he did not want to go and is gutted that he will not be playing for us this saturday

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:07 am

the mad one wrote:

he did not want to go and is gutted that he will not be playing for us this saturday

And you know this because... ?

BenCUFC · **Joined:** Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:08 pm **Posts:** 69

Now thats just silly :shock:

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:09 am

Let's face it - DW dropped Ritchie against Burnley and won 1-0. We left him out against Hereford and yeah we got beat but we did not miss him. We beat Boston without him. There's a bit of a pattern emerging, especially when you look at the previous 50-odd games when he was playing. If nothing else it will have shaken the complacent players up.

Don't get me wrong, Ritchie is one of the all-time Pools greats, but at the moment he is not the best option. Robson offers far more on the left wing, despite his erratic passing, and I think Liddle will prove to be an excellent left back.

the mad one · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:15 am

can't tell but two people on here know who i am and they know this as being the truth as i have proven it to them if you dont think i am being honest then that is up to you after all you can take it or leave it

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:27 am

Dibble wrote:

Right... ... :roll:

That's bolox Tubs, simple as that- just bolox.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:46 am

I'm not being sarky Dibbs. And at no point have I ever said that Humps is worse than Bracca/Robson, so I'm not talking about something I haven't seen. I'm talking about Danny Wilson's logic, and I can see there IS a logic in what he's doing, unlike his illustrious predecessor.
His strategy is different from what yours would be, that's all.

Chip, the only rotation in the last three games has been in the striker line-up. Plus Boland getting his game which is hardly illogical.
Similarly, when Gibb replaces Eifion that will also be logical.
I think Wilson has tried just about all the striker options and will probably now settle for a standard line-up of Brown and Porter, with Daly coming on in the last half hour.

We're playing a team tomorrow who are likely to give us a hard time whoever we select. That'll make three out of the top four teams we've played in seven games. Should we win it will be a very positive sign and will make three out of four.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:49 am

Dibble wrote:

I forgot about the savage one.

Have you also forgotten about all the duffers Cooper gave trials to which came to nothing?
Quoting the Savage incident is a straw man argument.

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6470

the mad one wrote:

he did not want to go and is gutted that he will not be playing for us this saturday

So why did he agree to go then, at the end of the day he has the fianl say as to if he goes or not.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:39 pm

Should've gone to Specsavers :)

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:52 pm

chip fireball wrote:

...different starting striking option every single game. at what point is he going to work out what his best option is?

Pretty soon I would imagine. I'm predicting as I said earlier that he'll settle on a first string strike force of Porter and Brown in a 4-4-2, which (coincidentally I'm sure) is as near as we'll get to the Boyd-Porter-Sweeney trinity, with Daly as his alternative weapon. And to be honest those three should be capable of getting plenty of goals once they get their eye in.

chip fireball wrote:

If you can see wilsons vision and long term direction then thats fair enough. perhaps i need glasses.

Plans take time to come to a head. In two or three months we'll either be pulling our hair out or we'll be laughing at how high we are now considering the dodgy start we made. Or we might simply be telling ourselves OK we aren't going to break any records this season but I like the way the new-look team is shaping.
No I can't see what it's leading to in Wilson's mind but I'm beginning to understand how he reasons and I'm convinced he does have a vision, unlike Scotty who seemed to just hope he could chuck a couple of new players in and it would somehow work out.

Judging on what you see rather than the scores, do you think this team is shaping up better than Scotty's?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:17 pm

Two goals more (two penalties for example), and a couple of daft goals avoided against Hereford and we'd be sitting in eighth place.
We are as close as that to showing reasonable form.

Maybe tomorrow we'll get three points we absolutely don't deserve. What will that mean as far as form goes?

Salty · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:32 pm

imho, i think mr wilson has lost the plot years ago
we were warned

dibbs, remember we talked about this on a field in saltburn?

personally i think were in big trouble
i hope it comes back to bite me on the bum in a biiiiiiiiiig way, but i just gotta bad feeling about all this

Salty · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:42 pm

i'd settle for a draw cos i cant see us winning away

thats how bad its got innit

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:08 pm

Dibble wrote:

Hands up who is confident tomorrow?

The last time I was truly confident was probably the away game at Chesterfield in 2004/2005.

The way I see it we are not playing MkDonkeys tomorrow we are playing Martin Allen.
Last time we played against his team we knacked his promotion up. Now he has an arguably worse team, while ours couldn't really have got any worse.
He'll no doubt have turned them into butchers, but we should be used to that by now. If Gibb plays then there's one experienced winger I doubt will be intimidated. But the likes of Nelson and especially Sweeney have to show some bottle and some discipline, and James Brown needs to remember to wear two pairs of shinpads.

Dibbs, Allen has brought a lot more players in than us; that's what's changed about them.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:25 pm

chip fireball wrote:

we still need a solid left back.

Hartlepool United don't do left backs, but if they did they would probably be the best left backs in the world.

poolpower · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:29 pm

JUST PICKED UP ON THIS THREAD
and i honestly now believe we are in bother
not just for dumping the only player we have who can play left back he is splitting up the centre backs we have not hit any form what so ever and the one way you can do that is to keep a settled side what does wilson do the opposite
this has got to be personal as he did the same thing shortly after he took over the Wendies to Humphs.
he is signing players older than what he is releasing (gibb, boland) and did the board not say we would only bring in players better than what we have got ?
players are not getting a chance to fight for places just dumped straight away
we complained that scott stuck with the kids looks like we will have to do just that and they are not good enough
it is going to be one hard season
if Richie is not good enough for us why send him to a club in a higher division ?

Mick Tait's Head Bandage · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:14 pm

Just got in from work and heard the news....well thats fookin it for me, sending Humps out on loan is a clear signal of intent...he wants rid.

If Mr Wilson wanted to "change things a little bit", as he put it, he could have relegated (hope i'm not using that word again at the end of the season) richie to the bench, instead of farming him out on loan.

Martin Foyle obviously knows a good player when he sees one. Good enough for a league one side but not good enough for us...WHO THE HELL DO WE THINK WE ARE??? :evil:

poolpower · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:05 pm

much bigger threat on the wing than the Humphreys we have seen performing in the last 12 months.

tell me ripper how many times over the last twelve months has richie played in the left wing position ?

it was obvious last season he carried matty and bracka when they played at left back the term useless comes to mind for the pair of them in that position

BritishWestHpool · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:35 pm **Posts:** 1243

Same here Mick Tait. Been at work 24 hours and just come back. Got a text during some training and was staggered.
Obviously he's our best left back and our only other natural option is suspended. The timing is awful.
Surely it has to be one of the following:
Humpty has had a major strop on after being dropped because
a) he considers himself to be a better player than those picked ahead of him..or
b) He considers himself undroppable, given his number of appearances and the fact he wasnt dropped in the past when he should have been.....or both

Humpty is considered by Wilson to be an aggravating factor in the dressing room - one whom needs to be made an example of.

Wilson and Humpty simply dislike each other

Whatever, I dont think the decision has been made for footballing reasons.

I'm on my second bottle of Leffe. Going on holiday for a week tomorrow, but only to a cottage in Middleton in Teesdale so hope to be able to get to a match on Tuesday, Saturday or both. Just havent tested the water yet.

Mick Tait's Head Bandage · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:11 pm

I personally think DW will look back at the end of this campaign and rue the day he scattered one of our most consistent performers, cos let's not kid ourselves, this is the beginning of the end for Humps :cry:

I too have started drinking......

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:15 pm

Dibble wrote:

BTW I have started drinking. :laugh:

And I'll be starting in 20 minutes!!!! :sweet: :| :laugh:

poolpower · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:16 pm

i might have a shandy i am so mad :evil:

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:16 pm

chip fireball wrote:

i think you would have got very very good odds pre season on the only 2 players going out on loan being darrell and ritchie.

boydie was the clubs leading goalscorer and a maverick. before wilsons appointment he was told he could leave. then he was told he couldnt go until wilson had settled in and had a look. then hes off to luton for less than he was supposed to be worth.

darrell is the joker in the pack, the one who picks the lads up when they are down. he may not be the player he was but hes 110 per cent pools. wilson told him after 45 minutes first team action he didnt figure in his plans and he might as well go out on loan. you have to ask if this is because of his football or because of his popularity.

ritchie was the club captain, and something of a spokesman for the players. first he lost the captaincy. then he was offered to grimsby and finally given an ultimatum, go out on loan or sit in the stands.

ben clarks status in the dressing room and among the fans is legendary. with boyd you could argue the club had to take the money. with darrell and ritchie you could argue they were players past their best. what clark has done to deserve benching is a complete mystery to me. him and nelson have held the team together for the last 8 months.

i may be wandering into the realms of conspiracy theory but isnt there just a possibility that wilson is removing anyone who he considers popular with the players or who is outspoken ? im still inclined to give the guy time but there has to be a very real possibility that he is employed by the devil as scott was and is going to drag the club even lower. anything less than 6 points in the next 3 games and hes suddenly on borrowed time.

Or perhaps, and this is an odd one, quite spooky as well, DW wants his , own players and get rid of the shite, hangers on, average players and spuds who have spent the past 16 months being cack?

Perhaps Darrell is a good laugh, ooh me ribs and that, but he has been out with injuries for an age and is at best a makeweight in the squad

Is your judgment being clouded by the fact you are mates with some of the players?

Jonny · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:54 pm

TalbotAvenger wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

i think you would have got very very good odds pre season on the only 2 players going out on loan being darrell and ritchie.

boydie was the clubs leading goalscorer and a maverick. before wilsons appointment he was told he could leave. then he was told he couldnt go until wilson had settled in and had a look. then hes off to luton for less than he was supposed to be worth.

darrell is the joker in the pack, the one who picks the lads up when they are down. he may not be the player he was but hes 110 per cent pools. wilson told him after 45 minutes first team action he didnt figure in his plans and he might as well go out on loan. you have to ask if this is because of his football or because of his popularity.

ritchie was the club captain, and something of a spokesman for the players. first he lost the captaincy. then he was offered to grimsby and finally given an ultimatum, go out on loan or sit in the stands.

ben clarks status in the dressing room and among the fans is legendary. with boyd you could argue the club had to take the money. with darrell and ritchie you could argue they were players past their best. what clark has done to deserve benching is a complete mystery to me. him and nelson have held the team together for the last 8 months.

i may be wandering into the realms of conspiracy theory but isnt there just a possibility that wilson is removing anyone who he considers popular with the players or who is outspoken ? im still inclined to give the guy time but there has to be a very real possibility that he is employed by the devil as scott was and is going to drag the club even lower. anything less than 6 points in the next 3 games and hes suddenly on borrowed time.

Or perhaps, and this is an odd one, quite spooky as well, DW wants his , own players and get rid of the shite, hangers on, average players and spuds who have spent the past 16 months being cack?

Perhaps Darrell is a good laugh, ooh me ribs and that, but he has been out with injuries for an age and is at best a makeweight in the squad

Is your judgment being clouded by the fact you are mates with some of the players?

Its time the players did their talking on the pitch, we simply have to back Wilson in my opinion. HUFC will not improve if managers are changing every 6 months.....

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:10 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

Cough....Ahem.....

And the manager is ALWAYS right isn't he!! :roll:

Sack the bounder eh?, Three managers now have voiced concern over the players attitude and all three have gone, with very few changes to the squad

Get the dressing room mafia out now or should we keep very average players like Darrell and the shop stewards in place till they help another manager along the way?

Mute Witness · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 am **Posts:** 3568

I've had a think about all of this and now...I'm a bit worried. Dunno why though, could it be because I've seen Ben Clarke dropped to the bench, Boyd bugger off (which would have happened eventually) and one of the few players that loves this club, Humphreys, go out on loan.

If we win tomorrow, these worried will be eased a bit but if we lose my alarm bells will start sounding out...I'm starting to go down the same path that I went Martin Scott...although we're not at breaking point yet, Wilson will have to start winning me over quickly.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:42 pm

offshorepoolie wrote:

TalbotAvenger wrote:

offshorepoolie wrote:

Cough....Ahem.....

And the manager is ALWAYS right isn't he!! :roll:

Sack the bounder eh?, Three managers now have voiced concern over the players attitude and all three have gone, with very few changes to the squad

Get the dressing room mafia out now or should we keep very average players like Darrell and the shop stewards in place till they help another manager along the way?

Didn't say that did I?? If he is right I'll be the first to congratulate him but good players don't become useless overnight. A clash of the ego's it may be show him whose boss I suppose, but its scary when you start to ditch your better player and have no natural replacements.

but it hasnt been overnight has it?

its been a year and a half

poolpower · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:51 pm

so where would we have been last year without RH ?

it was a bloody shambles and he was one of the few to come out with any credit
but i suppose if you are a target for the boo boys nothing you do will be right

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:56 pm

poolpower wrote:

so where would we have been last year without RH ?

it was a bloody shambles and he was one of the few to come out with any credit
but i suppose if you are a target for the boo boys nothing you do will be right

i never boo our players

as for where would we have been without him, where we are now, because it matters not where you finish in the relegation places, you still go down!

poolpower · **Posted:** Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:59 pm

you are missing or avoiding the point
which is of the players last season that got us relegated he was one of the few that did more than his bit
a double award seems to back that up

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:09 am

MutleyRules wrote:

And I'll be starting in 20 minutes!!!! :sweet: :| :laugh:

And Mr.Mutley is raring to go with 'Post Bollox'!!!! :sweet: :laugh:

This is where my post count goes up!!!! :sweet:

Where's Mr.Gloves???? :? :? :|

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

Marvellous news :grin:

I hope he didnt forget his Guitar on the way out.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:40 am

3Quid wrote:

Marvellous news :grin:

I hope he didnt forget his Guitar on the way out.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36241

As nobody knows ALL the 'facts' surrounding these things, I suggest we suck it and see. Performances on the pitch are just part of the picture. :wink:

Mick Tait's Head Bandage · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:01 am

MutleyRules wrote:

3Quid wrote:

Marvellous news :grin:

I hope he didnt forget his Guitar on the way out.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:57 am

bloody nora, it took ages to read that lot

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:08 am

poolpower wrote:

you are missing or avoiding the point
which is of the players last season that got us relegated he was one of the few that did more than his bit
a double award seems to back that up

For fecks sake man, THEY WERE ALL SHITE, thats why we went down

I think no-one deserved anything last year, OK it was 95% scotties fault, but somewhere along the line, the players have to shoulder some responsibility

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:53 am

Good Job Mr Avenger can see things simply. No one else seems to be able to.
We had six good seasons but now that's come to an end.
Time to start again. Starting again takes time.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:02 pm

nobody is bigger than the club - and like somebody said earlier, on the face of it, it's bad timing - but it might just re-focus the attitudes of the other players. i.e. NOBODY IS SAFE FROM THE AXE!!!

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:03 pm

All right all right, Parmo can see things simply too :laugh:

ritchie

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