He must be skating on thin ice after another woeful display, he picked the same 11 after Tuesday`s bilge, how Walker, Featherstone and Paynter get a game is beyond me, yes Paynter scored but what else did he do, mis control, doesn`t challenge when the ball is lumped up and as captain, where is the leadership?

Somebody somewhere, please help us out of this shithole we are in, my passion is tested when I have to watch that crap and listen to his lame excuses, they were shit and we were shitter, oh and the ref was shitterest

Agree about the midfield. Vehemently disagree about Paynter (he wasn't great today mind) and couldnt agree more about the ref. Bad decision cost us the game

I don't think his position is under threat but I've been totally underwhelmed by him and the team he's cobbled together. You might say that his budget hasn't been what it should with the crowds we are getting but the squad is not good enough for anything more than 20th place in the league. With the bluster of the 'great escape' crap and that army team building boot camp you'd have thought we'd hit the ground running. Well we did but since then the team's woeful weak underbelly has been exposed and it's a poor side with little quality and no leadership at all.

Not putting away either Barnet or Crawley shows our level and with the fixtures coming all the way up 'til Christmas, you've got to fear for us. Luckily it may appear that Dagenham and Yeovil are even worse than us. Be mindful of who we have the last three games. What a shocker. I hope we're secure in 22nd by the time those three games roll round.

Paynter had a decent game but was undone by the ref having a hundred pounds on the away win.

Tactically inept again. Awful line up choice. I have no confidence in Moore to pick a winning team. He would get a 0/10 for me today.

As for the players, Carson looked okay, Jones looked okay Hendrie didn't do a lot wrong. Harrison is a complete liability, woeful defender. First time I've seen Magnus, but he was shocking. 2 games, 2 mistakes and 2 goals I make that. Oates was our only half decent player today. Walker gets a -1/10, ship him out to Horden so he can find his level. Featherstone, Carrol both bobbins. Paynter and Bingham tried, but had 0 support from the worst central midfield pairing I've seen in a long time.

What the fuck does Ian Moore do on his scouting missions? He's getting paid to find our next opponents weaknesses and strengths. Either King Ronnie The Messiah isn't listening to him, or he doesn't have a clue.

Total total embarrassment today. That was another game that rivalled the dross of last season.

3 Year contract.
He will celebrate his 1000th game as a league manager with us.





If we stay up.

Really, what did he do that impressed you?

Shite.

Utter shite.

Can't see us doing better than 20th this season.

That central midfield pairing is an embarrasment.

Great post. Couldn't agree more. Awful decision to leave the team as is. Confirmed by two being hooked off at half time. Paynter may well score but his all round effort and contribution as captain is not good enough. He's lazy and a bad example. I said before the game that we just need an extra 5% out of the side to make results go our way. Wrong again. 25% maybes. No challenges, no urgency, not closing down quickly enough, poor decisions, lazy players, lazy attitude. The loan players look decent but they aren't the whole answer.

Were you even at the frigging game?

As a target man you don't expect them to doing the running, you want them to get some decent service but he isn't getting any which hardly helps moral but still managed to get his 7th of the season today. Yes Bingham has missed a lot of chances this season but very few have been laid on for him. I don't have an issue with the front two really its what's behind them I find more concerning.

Too many of the signings have been a waste of time so doesn't help when it comes to making changes but still. The centre midfield was poor but we only really have Woods who we can bring in. Defence we are again short with a suspension for Harrison and the big lad presumably going back to Luton in a few weeks. Ronnie says Dan Jones isn't a left back but he is preferring to play him there than Carroll; surely that says a lot about his own signings as yet again we need a left back.

Finally I know we signed players on loan but Smith went straight from the starting 11 to not in the squad. Is he injured? if not he is still another option for the bench

All i can say its a most disappointing state of affairs the way the team is shaping up looks like another relegation scrap ahead of us , the worry is that we might not be so lucky this time

Were you ?

Paynter scored and dropped deep after Harrison went off and he linked up quite well.

The issue is our turgid, utterly immobile, pace less and vision less midfield. Utter fuckin shit. No one breaking and supporting the forwards and no service.

Only Oates comes out that midfield with any credit.

Paynter has scored 7 in a team that creates very few opportunities for him.

Our central midfield is amongst the worst I have seen in 35 years

Paynter scored his 7th goal of the season today, he'll score 15-20 this season. He had one of his poorer games today granted but he's not one of the problems, far from it. To question his position in the team is fucking ridiculous, who was the last striker for us who has scored 7 before the end of October?

We have players in the team who offer nothing. Paynter certainly isn't one of them.

Really don't get this anti Paynter shit it just makes people look clueless about football.

I'm not expecting Paynter to cover 20km in 90 minutes. Goals are important obviously, but so is challenging for the ball, making the effort to jump and put defenders under pressure. Not standing waiting for the ball to come and crying when defenders either lean over you and head it or outmuscle you and clear the ball 59 yards down the pitch. Goals only count when we win unfortunately. The central midfield area was wrong from the start and that's the managers fault as much as the players. They show no intent to win the ball then get it on the floor and play football. They should be able to do that at least. We just want to see effort and application. It's not unfair to expect that.

He's scored 4 of his 7 in 1 goal wins. We'd be on a par with last season without those goals. I think you do see effort but a lot of the service into him today was utter tripe launched from deep and he did cut a frustrated figure at times. If we actually had a midfield that could dictate a game and link in with a player like him I'm sure he'd look better than he does competing for balls that are 80:20 in the defenders favour.

come back when your balls drop. and i think you meant 'fucking game'.

We had quite a bit of luck early on scraping 1-0 wins for sure but that has stopped now. Paynter is the captain and a senior player. I expect more from his all round game. I agree he'd have to do less if we had the luxury of a decent midfield but we don't. I Just want to see him apply himself more and lead by example. I've said the whole team should be doing that. The midfield pair were shocking. Walker is not a footballer. He isn't interested. He's got a canny shot and that's it. Featherstone needs to be at his best to be effective. He had a good run last year but has gone off the boil.

When I heard the starting 11 I couldn't believe that Woods was on the bench again and Featherweight and Walker were still there and Carroll too. What does he see in those 3 from the recent games to think it was worth sticking with?

The subs at half time were basically Ronnie correcting what he should've done at the start, and then with the Jones injury it meant we couldn't respond to the red card or tactical changes.

Surely we'll appeal Harrison's red card so he's not banned too, and then bring Duckworth back at right back, and possibly try Hendrie in the middle alomgside Woods, Oates and Banton. Surely can't stick with what we have.

Why were Banton and Duckworth on the left though? Banton looked really right footed, Featherstone was playing as a token gesture right back and could done that on the left and Oates has played on the left this season. I reckon they could have linked up really well and caused a threat on the other side of the pitch.

Sadly that's 2 games in a row where Hendrie looks like a little boy in a mans game. Need Duckworth to stay fit desperately.

Have to say I've watched the red card incident and it hits his shoulder, not his arm and its pretty clear. At the time I just assumed it must have hit his arm seen as he didn't argue. If we don't appeal that red card I will be amazed.

Why the fuck would he do less if we had a decent midfield???

With a decent midfield he'd get more service and be able to be more involved by virtue of his ability to link with players coming from deeper and get more service in the box to get on the end on. That's the fucking point why people should stop focusing their rage on Paynter, cos he is as far away from being the problem with the team as the team is to being a serious promotion threat.

It's not that he isnt trying or isnt showing ability, more he is feeding on scraps, and the fact he has managed to score 7 goals so far, and has a few assists, in a really very very average side demonstrates he is a decent player in a fucking awful team. His team mates are letting him down, as is his manager by the way

we thought that at the time but the stupid 'lovely lovely person' with the whistle indicated that harrison had deliberately moved his arm to block the ball. we should not only be appealing but also puttting in a formal complaint about the crank of a ref.

Paynter has to remain in the team purely because he is the only one capable of regularly scoring goals even if he is 80% ineffective. However RM must take a large share of the blame today for selecting an unchanged side despite the fact that three players, Featherstone, Walker and Carroll should have not have been allowed anywhere near the Vic following their abysmal display on Tuesday. Why the fuck can he not see what is patently obvious to anyone with an ounce of football knowledge? Perhaps he can - but make no mistake this kind of arrogance (or maybe ignorance) will inevitably result in a return to the relegation places in a matter of weeks.

Okay, everyone that is Moore bashing here I seriously want to know the answer to this question. Who would you name as a manager that would come to us who is going to do a better job?

The red card was an absolute joke, surely your arms have to at least extend beyond the width of your body for it constitute any sort of intention as Chip you can't lose your arms the ball was struck hard as well. The game was shite enough without the arsehole ref spoiling it, oh how he looked like he enjoyed producing that red card.

I'm not even sure if that's even a penalty? No intent whatsoever unless you are expected to avoid the ball completely.

I'm not sure which official it was that changed at half time but if it was still Heywood he sent 3 off last Saturday and one of them has been rescinded as well.

Up until now he is 'living of the back of The Great Escape' which OK he won a few games but lost others. If it wasn't for the 2 teams below us last season hitting 'rock bottom form' we would have been in the Conference now.
New season,new team but not much better than last years loads of signings but quantity rather than quality.
He was 'slagging' the players off again in the Mail, it's like a gramophone record, the needles stuck. The crowd was less tha 3500 yesterday, poor considering the Boro were away and the other 2 don't play until today.

Nail on head.

3200 is not a bad crowd after watching 6years of complete rubbish. Not weeks of it, years. We are bringing cheap in who can play ok for one or maybe two games and that's it. Moore certainly isn't helping himself with some bizarre decisions and team selections, its ok thanking the owners for backing him in the mail. How about the owners get thanks when good quality players are brought in and not cheap rubbish that was on show yet again yesterday.

You would think the word was 'fucking' due to your limited vocabulary. Why not ask your boyfriend to buy you a frigging dictionary for Christmas!!

Now, now. No adjectival warfare, please.
Anyway, I prefer 'sodding'. There's no ambiguity about 'sodding'.

Correct

The bit about banging on about areas to strengthen is a smoke screen, as is the constant ref to Mirfin.

Not long ago Mirfin was made available for transfer and for whatever reason we didn't do a deal. Now all he talks about is a Mirfin type player, when 2 months ago he could have got him. And surely for the love of god there are better players out there in midfield than the utter crap we have to choose from, apart from Magnay.

To call the centre of midfield one paced and one dimentional is to exaggerate the strengths in there. When Woods danced through a couple of challenges to get into the box I didnt react because I knew he wouldnt score, I just had no confidence in him in an advanced position. There's not a defensive bone in Woods, Featherstone and Walker and they can't tackle, have a limited range of passing, have no pace and offer nothing going forward. Magnay can't come back soon enough. Even then it'll be like pissing into the wind partnering him up with one of the others.

Like many who watch now I just assume we won't do anything positive. This long run of shit seasons of shit football, devoid of hope and expectation has drained the positivity out of me. The euphoria of the great escape has long gone now. We are losing at home on a depressingly regular basis, a habit we have formed in the last 5 or 6 seasons, and you will only get away with that for a limited time.

The thing is what is going to be done about this depressing period that's lasted six years? Up to the owners to bring in better quality players. Have they the money?

When Ronnies praising the Chairman for being allowed to bring in unproven loanies then there lies the answer.
I think hes just happy seeing out his longish contract into his retirement retaining our league status.
Which certainly is not a foregone conclusion.

If the midfield is left like it has been all season we will go down. We seem to have more up front at least this year.