Ched Evans

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

The story continues.......................

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34441348

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

[x] Thread will turn into chaos.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I'm not convinced one little bit that he's guilty. The conviction is very questionable.

It'll be along shortly, get your tickets while theres still a couple left.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

I think we should sign him...

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9789

A chance to get a proven goalscorer on the cheap.
I bet its crossed Ronnies mind seen as hes probably working under his worst budget yet.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I reckon this subject definitely needs revisiting, I mean it's not as if it's been done to death at all.......

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9789

Sign him.
Sell him in January
Keep the profits in the Boardroom.

Wonder if Russ Green has thought of that!

The Bishop · **Posted:** Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:03 pm

Story over, He.s signed up to present Top Gear, so cant do TFI Friday......... EHHHHRRRRR

I'll get me coat bbolt

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

[ x ] Ched Evans is unstoppable in the box...

The Bishop · **Posted:** Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:20 pm

pooliecrab wrote:

[ x ] Ched Evans is unstoppable in the box...

Appeal?

Worse then anyone else's humour!!!

allan · **Joined:** Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:31 pm **Posts:** 40

why not ignore a proven goal scorer so we can keep losing games . that's the way forward. sign him up for nothing he wont expect a top wage to get a club then sell him later for a nice little earner. job done.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

The story continues.......................

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34441348

If Pools sign this wapist I am stopping going.

He is just a wongdoer.

poolietim · **Posted:** Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:10 pm

a wapscallion

alybaba · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:02 am

Harewood was sh8t at most clubs he was with missed a ton and scored two.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:15 am

If it does get overturned then he will have his pick when it comes to which club to sign for, a league two club in the north east heading for relegation sounds massively appealing.

allan · **Joined:** Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:31 pm **Posts:** 40

Well that's why we need to sign him now before someone else does

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:19 pm

At the minute he is a convicted rapist who has been in jail for it, it's went to appeal so something major must have been missed. I've read through his website which is a bit of an interesting read. At the minute though I don't think it would be wise to sign him.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:52 pm

Can he play centre back?

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Well, I think the word 'ched' ought to be awarded place in the language. After all, it could apply to a growing number of people, so clearly there's a need.

Ched. n. An individual of such remorseless tackiness in character and inter-personal behaviour that they ought to be penalised whether they've technically committed a crime or not.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Rubbish.

It doesnt matter who scummy his behaviour was, or how close he was/is to deserving being locked up, if he is technically innocent then he is a good egg, and we should all love him.

grumpytheelf · **Joined:** Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 am **Posts:** 158

grabec wrote:

Well, I think the word 'ched' ought to be awarded place in the language. After all, it could apply to a growing number of people, so clearly there's a need.

Ched. n. An individual of such remorseless tackiness in character and inter-personal behaviour that they ought to be penalised whether they've technically committed a crime or not.

Of course showing remorse is part of admitting guilt.

If he's adamant it wasn't rape and there is evidence to support this, which there must be, then he wouldn't show remorse.

If his appeal fails I hope he will apologise, but if it succeeds I won't hold my breath for the professionally outraged to apologise for not allowing him to move on with his career.

The Fat Man · **Joined:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:03 pm **Posts:** 2107

Joe Mac wrote:

At the minute he is a convicted rapist who has been in jail for it, it's went to appeal so something major must have been missed. I've read through his website which is a bit of an interesting read. At the minute though I don't think it would be wise to sign him.

Most appeals fail. Particularly if the claim is that the jury made a mistake on the evidence.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

grumpytheelf wrote:

grabec wrote:

Well, I think the word 'ched' ought to be awarded place in the language. After all, it could apply to a growing number of people, so clearly there's a need.

Ched. n. An individual of such remorseless tackiness in character and inter-personal behaviour that they ought to be penalised whether they've technically committed a crime or not.

Of course showing remorse is part of admitting guilt.

If he's adamant it wasn't rape and there is evidence to support this, which there must be, then he wouldn't show remorse.

If his appeal fails I hope he will apologise, but if it succeeds I won't hold my breath for the professionally outraged to apologise for not allowing him to move on with his career.

I didn't say he remorseless about rape. I said he was remorselessly tacky in character and in interpersonal relationships. For that reason he (and other cheds) are likely to damage other people. Therefore something should be done to help him see what a remorseless ched he is.

Nothing to do with whether or not he ever plays football again. If a migrant Syrian had done what he clearly makes a practice of doing, the outrage bus would be here to take him back where he came from.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:06 am

He does seem to be remorseless about what he did though. I appreciate that this might be because he is innocent in which case why would he show remorse. However, everything that I've read points to it being because he doesn't accept that turning up at a hotel room and having sex with somebody you've never spoken to before and who is clearly way too pissed to give consent is rape. The law says it is though.

If his appeal is successful he shouldn't be called a rapist anymore. He might want to show some remorse about behaving like a sleazy misogynist who preys on drunk women though.

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

I think a strong part of his defence is that the woman in question was not as drunk as she has has claimed, based on the amount she drank, and CCTV footage of her

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

born toulouse wrote:

If his appeal is successful he shouldn't be called a rapist anymore. He might want to show some remorse about behaving like a sleazy misogynist who preys on drunk women though.

That's exactly my point.
I remember when this all blew up, BillinghamPoolie saying that none of his sons could ever dream of taking advantage of a young woman who had simply happened to have had too much to drink that night.

That's the difference between a ched and a decent individual. One preys on the vulnerable, the other doesn't.

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

PoolieTom wrote:

I think a strong part of his defence is that the woman in question was not as drunk as she has has claimed, based on the amount she drank, and CCTV footage of her

I'd be very surprised if, having got up in the middle of the night because a mate offered to share a woman he'd just found in the street, Evans troubled to find out whether she was drunk, needy, depressed, troubled, or vulnerable in any other way.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

According to the account of the trial I read the woman in question accosted a complete stranger in a takeaway pizza shop, asked him where he was staying and when he said he had a hotel room she said she was going back to it with him. The man in question was the other footballer, Evans' acquaintance, who texted Evans to say that he had a woman and was on his way to the hotel. Both men had sex with the woman. Evans was tried and convicted of rape, his pal wasn't.

Whatever the outcome of the appeal, there is no question that the whole episode was 'sleazy' and that none of the protagonists deserve any credit for their behaviour.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I'm with grabec on this one.

His mrs who has stood by him is clearly as daft as him, i know for a fact my wife would chop my balls off if this was me, rape or no rape.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Chip Fireball wrote:

Ultimately I guess it depends on how you were brought up, and your attitude towards other human beings, in this instance Evans general attitude towards women.

Irrespective of whether what he did constitutes rape in the eyes of the law, the bottom line is that he views women as a commodity to be used and traded for his personal gratication.

It shows a complete lack of respect not just for the victim ( and at this point that is what the law dictates she is ) but moreso in my opinion for the woman he was meant to be in a long term relationship with. The fact he had his mates outside to film the episode clearly shows he was not in the least bit concerned about her feelings.

Throughout he has come across in the manner of a young man paid ridiculous sums of money and stuck on a pedestal who thinks he can do what he wants, when he wants, and that the world revolves around him. Unfortunately in that respect he does not appear to be alone, far too many in the profession are arrogant pricks with a pisspoor attitude.

Which is basically what we have been saying since this sordid affair first reared its ugly head.

Anyone that thinks because that because he gotoff with the rape charge he is OK, is as scummy as Ched himself.

And anyone that would still sign him that has a daughter, should be strung up along side him.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I've had this conversation with fathers who said they would sign him, yet i'm sure if it was his daugher would want him strung up.

Baffling.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Its probably the same people that think fighting in the street, representing your team, is perfectly acceptable behaviour.

There more I think about that, the more I am baffled as to why I actually follow football.

There was a match last weekend, on the TV, where some team scored, and their fans just goaded the other teams fans, rather than just celebrate the goal. Weird.

I just dont get it. But neither do I want to be within a mile of these people, ever.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

and the context of my little rant there was that these people would sign Evans, because making their team better, is far more important to them than any sense of morality.

Just like those fans that celebrated Lee Hughes goals after he showed no remorse whatsoever, and still did that fuck awful celebration in front of opposition fans, incl Pools.

Some football supporters are lower than the low.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Utter bollox Colonel.

If this and if that, these are completely irrelevant comparisons.

It is complete nonsense by the outrage bus dwellers. He is a young lad who went to a hotel room with a lass who later screamed rape and bragged about the cars she was going to buy her friends from her payout. This is the main reason I believe that it is Evans who is the victim and not the woman involved.

I hope you're back after the appeal to condemn whichever party is found to be telling the truth.

Gangbangs are not a lifestyle that I'm familiar with but it is for many people including all these swingers that seem to be everywhere but never invite me! It's a sexual preference in much the same way as homosexuality or blokes wearing a frock. I look forward to some of you condemning them too.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

‘Remind me never to tell @XXXXXXX when I win big!..... She’s going to kill me! #scaredformylife! Haha!’

‘@XXXXXXX I will get us matching pink Mini Coopers! Haha! Just seen them pictures on Facebook, I forgot bout XXXXXXX! Haha! X’

‘@XXXXXXX I’ll make all your dreams come true XXXXXXX haha.’

‘@XXXXXXX aww,well obvs I’d treat us to an amazing holiday x’.

All these tweets were tweeted by the complainant between 8 October 2011 and 15 November 2011.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

‘Remind me never to tell @XXXXXXX when I win big!..... She’s going to kill me! #scaredformylife! Haha!’

‘@XXXXXXX I will get us matching pink Mini Coopers! Haha! Just seen them pictures on Facebook, I forgot bout XXXXXXX! Haha! X’

‘@XXXXXXX I’ll make all your dreams come true XXXXXXX haha.’

‘@XXXXXXX aww,well obvs I’d treat us to an amazing holiday x’.

All these tweets were tweeted by the complainant between 8 October 2011 and 15 November 2011.

I'm at an absolute loss what that could possibly prove.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I hope he's basing his appeal on more than that, she could have been Tweeting about anything.

Also however distasteful even if she was bragging about potential compensation it doesn't prove that she wasn't raped.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:36 pm

Is that the sort of new evidence that forms the basis of Ched's appeal then?

I can't see how it makes any difference to what they know happened before any of those tweets were made. I'm not a legal expert by any stretch of the imagination but, given the social media campaign run by Ched's nearest and dearest that hounded her into moving house, I wouldn't have thought her anticipating some compensation and displaying a bit of bravado would count for much.

If he hasn't got more than that he's just wasting money, not that his lawyer will be discouraging him on that score.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

I'm at an absolute loss what that could possibly prove.

Don't worry, nothing for you to see here. It was aimed at those with a rudimentary grasp of the law.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

We'll see at the appeal stage. But she claimed rape only after talking to her mates the next day. The same mates she promised cars to when she got her compensation.

The conviction is at the very least unsafe.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We'll see at the appeal stage. But she claimed rape only after talking to her mates the next day. The same mates she promised cars to when she got her compensation.

The conviction is at the very least unsafe.

Who's mentioned compensation? confised

Bossa Nova · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:51 am **Posts:** 376

"It's a sexual preference in much the same way as homosexuality"
I'm not joining the outrage bus as I'm just saddened by the whole affair, but the above statement need's to be challenged by a card-carrying nancy like me - homosexuality is no more a "preference" than heterosexuality and I've got the scars to prove it. So there!

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We'll see at the appeal stage. But she claimed rape only after talking to her mates the next day. The same mates she promised cars to when she got her compensation.

The conviction is at the very least unsafe.

The conviction he has already done several years in prison for is very unsafe :laugh:

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We'll see at the appeal stage. But she claimed rape only after talking to her mates the next day. The same mates she promised cars to when she got her compensation.

The conviction is at the very least unsafe.

The conviction he has already done several years in prison for is very unsafe :laugh:

As I see. So if someone has been imprisoned for a crime there is absolutely no chance that they might have been innocent. I won't bother with the very long list, you know where this is going.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Bossa Nova wrote:

"It's a sexual preference in much the same way as homosexuality"
I'm not joining the outrage bus as I'm just saddened by the whole affair, but the above statement need's to be challenged by a card-carrying nancy like me - homosexuality is no more a "preference" than heterosexuality and I've got the scars to prove it. So there!

Ok, point taken.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We'll see at the appeal stage. But she claimed rape only after talking to her mates the next day. The same mates she promised cars to when she got her compensation.

The conviction is at the very least unsafe.

The conviction he has already done several years in prison for is very unsafe :laugh:

As I see. So if someone has been imprisoned for a crime there is absolutely no chance that they might have been innocent. I won't bother with the very long list, you know where this is going.

Of course but I find it very amusing that you find the conviction very 'unsafe' based on that twaddle you've copied and pasted above.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Not just that but it is an aspect. Her mentality in the immediate aftermath was one of how rich she is going to be. When you look into the details of the case its all very unsatisfactory. Besides, Evans has become the poster boy for the militant feminists. They could have picked a better target, how about this stain on humanity for starters:

http://www.herald.co.zw/uk-police-launc ... iv-rapist/

grabec · **Joined:** Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:45 am **Posts:** 830

Mr I, you are on an outrage bus. This is why you aren't able to take on board the perfectly calm points by other posters about what counts as proof of complicity.

I've noticed before that 'being on an outrage bus' is simply an attempted belittlement you use for anyone whose view differs from yours. Fortunately we are all intelligent bods and see though that.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

I get outraged when there are things that are clearly questionable. Some people are making this case out as if he dragged her into the bushes. It is not anywhere like that simple and I do not believe that it was a case of rape. Distasteful certainly and in the best traditions of modern day footballers but rape, nah!

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Even if the rape charge is unsafe, it was without doubt that Ched is a thoroughly awful human being.

Thats all I need to know.

Ched Evans

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