Username:  
Password:  
Register 
It is currently Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:28 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ] 
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
 Post subject: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:21 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:43 pm
Posts: 2256
Location: EX Hartlepool now in sunny Billingham
Fenwick needs to start up front ,Bingham is a playmaker not a massive goal scorer and the midfield needs another Tommy miller in there cause our midfield sadly lacking that goal scoring atempt.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:02 am
Posts: 478
Location: Maidstone - sometimes Hartlepool
The only midfielder with goals in him is Brad Walker someone should be sending him on a 1 hour run having to achieve 9+ miles at least twice a week then some passing and shooting practice as a 1 hour cool down as he has real potential !

_________________
Life has ups and downs take Kenneth Wolstenholme '66 World Cup Final, 1974 Hartlepool v Workington on Shoot!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm
Posts: 15342
I do think Fenwick is massively over rated by some, he's a goal scorer no doubt but his all round game needs big improvement. I can see, especially away from home, why he's not a guaranteed starter.

If you could combine what Bingham offers and Fenwicks knack of sticking it in the net you'd have a hell of a striker!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:50 pm 
If half the team had the spirit and determination of the right back loanee, we may get in the play offs!

Have you noticed when the strilers are shooting at the goal during warm up, we have 3 players and other teams have 6/7, maybe this is a reason we are afraid to shoot, not enough practice, or is it only the front 3 who are allowed to score?


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm
Posts: 15342
You can have as many shots as you want warmingup it doesn't replicate a chance presenting itself in a match especially when you've gone ten games or so without a goal, Bingham just needs one to go in for him off his arse end or something and he'll be fine.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:09 pm 
PJPoolie wrote:
You can have as many shots as you want warmingup it doesn't replicate a chance presenting itself in a match especially when you've gone ten games or so without a goal, Bingham just needs one to go in for him off his arse end or something and he'll be fine.


So why do they do it then and when we are so shot shy, do you not think it may pay to practice the things we are dire at, corners that constantly go to the keeper, remember years ago when a big centre half came from the back post with a bullet header?

We had chances yesterday to pull the trigger and didn`t, is that confidence or is Ronnie saying walk it in?


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm
Posts: 15342
You can practice and improve set pieces without a doubt, you can't compare that to finishing which is instinctive, some have a knack for it others don't. Bingham has missed a lot of chances to the detriment of his confindence, nothing on the training ground can replicate that. He just needs a goal.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:11 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm
Posts: 9804
Considering a game of football lasts 90 mintes we create very few chances for our forwards.
We need proper wingers in a 442 system for this to improve.
Ronnies tried using the full backs n forwards as makeshift wingers to no effect..
I would go with Fenwick n Paynter up front Smith on the left wing and bring a right winger in on loan.
Keep playing 3 in midfield and up top then we gunna struggle to win games.
I think the 600 missing fans from cambridge game will agree.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:41 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm
Posts: 9804
3 Lucky wins followed by 1 point from 15.
Down to 200 pay on the day fans.
Time to change it me reckons!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm
Posts: 25266
Fenwick is just a modern day Kev Hendo. He's been hyped as he has a good back story n he's a passionate lad on the pitch and on Twitter but I think he's very much over rated by the majority.

Don't get me wrong he's a good finisher, but I think his touch is poor n the rest of his game needs work.

Pretty clear Moore doesn't rate him either.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

_________________
Michaelbarron ‏@Mickyb22
@9howie yes defo I need my mate for golf and social ‪#bessiemate


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:32 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:07 pm
Posts: 2082
Location: British West Hartlepool
monkeybutt wrote:
PJPoolie wrote:
You can have as many shots as you want warmingup it doesn't replicate a chance presenting itself in a match especially when you've gone ten games or so without a goal, Bingham just needs one to go in for him off his arse end or something and he'll be fine.


So why do they do it then and when we are so shot shy, do you not think it may pay to practice the things we are dire at, corners that constantly go to the keeper, remember years ago when a big centre half came from the back post with a bullet header?

We had chances yesterday to pull the trigger and didn`t, is that confidence or is Ronnie saying walk it in?


Andrew Cole famously used to do extra training sessions where he would repeatedly run through finishing techniques which trained his body so he could use muscle memory when in the positions in a game so he didn't need to think about a finish, he just finished.

His most common was ball played onto his right side and he would swivel and lift the ball over the keeper into opposite corner, without looking at the keeper or the goal.

He had practiced that finished day after day hour after hour so knew he didn't need to look.

Decent goalscorer was Cole

_________________
If it wasnae fur yer wellies, where would you be.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:07 pm
Posts: 2082
Location: British West Hartlepool
Chip Fireball wrote:
I thought Walker looked quite sharp when he came on yesterday, must be pushing for a start, especially when you have someone like Bates in there not doing a lot.

Fenwick is a strange one. A couple of times he's scored a goal and then been dropped for the next game. Not convinced Moore really rates him.


I was talking to a couple of ex-Pools players recently and asked about Fenwick.

They both told me that he is becoming increasingly more pissed off by not starting, especially as we are not exactly scoring for fun.

One of them talked about how they have spoken to Fenwick and how he needs to respond because he is sulking and brooding over it at the moment and doing himself no favours.

I don't know Ronnie but imagine he would have little time for a sulky player who, as has been pointed out, isn't consistent enough in his all round game

_________________
If it wasnae fur yer wellies, where would you be.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:10 pm
Posts: 11141
Location: Hartlepool
kevin pooles gloves wrote:
3 Lucky wins followed by 1 point from 15.
Down to 200 pay on the day fans.
Time to change it me reckons!

You can cut all this 'lucky win' shite out like. We won end of.

3 of the 4 games we lost were hugely unlucky by all accounts and the draw we were unlucky not to win...it works both ways...

_________________
Aka Masturbate2001


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm
Posts: 4198
Chip Fireball wrote:
I thought Walker looked quite sharp when he came on yesterday, must be pushing for a start, especially when you have someone like Bates in there not doing a lot.



Bit surprised by this Chip. You've pointed out several times that Featherstone can't tackle to save his life, and though Walker is a big lad he's not the type of player who gets his foot in either. A midfield of Walker-Featherstone -Woods would offer zero protection to the back four.

Bates is doing a decent job filling in while Magnay is suspended and will surely drop back to the bench after Saturday's game. Walker might come in at some point for Featherstone or Woods (especially as Woods still looks to be carrying an injury) or possibly get a game in a 4-4-2.

Then again, if Ronnie signs an attacking midfielder on loan this week, as he says he's trying to do, Walker will know he's a long way from ever getting a run in the first team.

Brad looked real class in the half-time knock around - it's past time he added some bite and determination to his footballing qualities.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:22 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm
Posts: 4480
If you don't put the ball in the net you wont win games stating the obvious I know, not playing a lad as centre forward and had a record of something like one in two at the start of the season was a strange decision for a club like pools. What exactly do people want of Fenwick? His job is to score goals. He is a poacher he can be quiet do absolutely zero for 85 mins but give him that chance and he normally takes it. Leaving match winners out the team could end up costing Ronnie at the end of the day.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:46 pm
Posts: 7331
Location: East Durham Riviera
PJPoolie wrote:
I do think Fenwick is massively over rated by some, he's a goal scorer no doubt but his all round game needs big improvement. I can see, especially away from home, why he's not a guaranteed starter.

If you could combine what Bingham offers and Fenwicks knack of sticking it in the net you'd have a hell of a striker!


This time last year he was playing in Northern League. If he is going to improve his all round game he needs to be getting game time.

_________________
Social Media - giving idiots a voice since 2015


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:46 pm
Posts: 7331
Location: East Durham Riviera
PJPoolie wrote:
You can practice and improve set pieces without a doubt, you can't compare that to finishing which is instinctive, some have a knack for it others don't. Bingham has missed a lot of chances to the detriment of his confindence, nothing on the training ground can replicate that. He just needs a goal.


But if he hasnt got the instinct he is not gonna score, at least not many. No good a goal going in off your ar*e, if its only every 10 games. Bingham needs to do the simple things,such as shoot on sight rather than looking for a touch to tee shot up. Of course doing that is the instinct you talk about.

_________________
Social Media - giving idiots a voice since 2015


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:07 pm
Posts: 2082
Location: British West Hartlepool
I would imagine Walker wouldn't get into the team to be the tough tackling type, more to add a goal threat and support the front men.

With Bates, Featherstone and Woods we probably will score 5 goals from centre midfield all season, and I suspect Walker would score more than that himself if given 20 games or so to get his appetite back, and by that I mean for the game not fried food

_________________
If it wasnae fur yer wellies, where would you be.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:24 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:20 am
Posts: 18484
Location: Up Jack's Arse in America
Goal scoring practice? Yes, in the course of time maybe. But have you thought that because of all the sloppy goals we've conceded recently that most of the training time has been spent tightening the defence up in the last couple of weeks? We kept a clean sheet on Saturday.

_________________
Deep down inside you know I'm always right

NOTE: Any statements made by me are, for the avoidance of doubt and arseyness, my opinion and not necessarily absolute fact nor are they necessarily shared by the people who own and run this board


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm
Posts: 1589
You need a goal and a goalie to set up a bit of shooting practice, I'm sure they're able to squeeze a bit of that in.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:46 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm
Posts: 15342
Do you not think they probably practice shooting in training!?

As I said Bingham has lost a bit of confidence because he hasn't scored since the opening day of the season and has missed a lot of chances. He just needs a goal. I'm not sure I agree that he's not a goal scorer or that he won't get goals because he gets on the end of and creates himself a lot of chances. Once he's playing with more confidence he might go on a run were he scores 4 or 5 in no time. As he's missed both clear cut chances and been unlucky with some efforts he's created himself (Carlisle for example)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:27 pm
Posts: 8125
Location: Another planet
Joe Allon often credits Pop Robson with coaching the best out of him. If I remember rightly his theory is that you can't replicate exact situations but you can train in basic elements of play that help. Don't commit until the keeper does in one on ones. On the other hand, in a crowded box hit loose balls first time and hard - ricochets and deflections will often beat the keeper so just getting a shot away will do. Maybe Bingham needs a bit of that type of coaching from an ex-striker?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:33 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm
Posts: 4198
Joe Allon is a long way from being the most complete striker Pools have had and was similar to Fenwick in a lot of respects, though quicker. Got to agree that when we are not scoring freely, Fenwick should be given more opportunities.

From what I've seen of Oates he is a good prospect with a top class attitude, but there's not much end product as yet in terms of goal threat and I don't think he's had any assists either. His time will come, meanwhile Scott should go back into the starting 11.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm
Posts: 15342
I'm not sure how you can say someone who has been on the pitch at some stage of every game this season isn't getting the opportunities.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22676
I was coached in goalscoring by a fantastic teacher at school. He was reputed to be one of the best in terms of secondary schools. Unfortunately I was utter dog shite at football but I was a decent thug - I mean defender. So I formed a centre back pairing with another lad who was not really much better than me except he could head a ball, he was much taller and was also a thug. Funny enough he ended up playing for Pools and Arsenal.

The moral is that natural ability is the foundation that coaching is built on and without it you're wasting your time. Fenwick has the former and with the right coaching will do very well. The Premier league is littered with players who weren't great but had the knack of being in the right place at the right time. Rush, Aldridge Cole, Wright etc.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fenwick and other issues
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:09 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm
Posts: 9804
Joe allon owed a lot of his goals to superb wingplay from Dalton n Honour.
We havent had quality like that since Paul Smith good wingers a dieing breed these days!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Gadgies online

Dodgepots browsing this forum: Arthurpoolie, Bluestreak, bobby lemonade, CathMc70, Corner Flag, Essex poolie, Gerry Mandrake, Infidel, JBPoolie, JohnnyMars, Kettering Poolie, Mute Witness, Ozzy Saltburn, paulus the woodgnome and a side salad, poolie1966, SomethingClever, Splod, stevven, UKP, WindyMilitant and 470 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  







The Bunker. The only HUFC forum with correct spelling and grammar.