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 Post subject: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:18 pm 
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WEAK AS PISS at the back.

Duckworth needs dropping and play magnay at right back.

we need at least one winger on and a new enforcer in the middle.

gutted sadx


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Weve struggled with high balls into our box all season.
Today our luck ran out.

Blatant foul on Fenwick build up to there winner like!


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it all came from the wings ? well it did from where i was sat


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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4-3-3 does not work for us.


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Should have changed to 3-5-2 at half time if Magnay was injured.

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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:59 pm 
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4-3-3 does not work for us.


It can work against certain teams, but teams like Carlisle. Any team that gets it out wide and into the box as quick as possible are going to exploit us. Need a plan B

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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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The players we brought in are free transfers, not deemed good enough by their previous clubs. Yes RM produced the great escape but a lot was down to the others performing worse than us. I have never seen Sam Collins as an up and coming Coach, he had a few opportunities inbetween the manager merry go round but didn't really impress me. Yes I am being totally negative but judging by the other posts we are shite in midfield and suspect defensively. Onwards and upwards hopefully.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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The chairmans on Twitter saying the better team lost, is he having a laugh? If they took their chances it would've been embarrassing


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:19 pm 
Jamie1952 wrote:
The players we brought in are free transfers, not deemed good enough by their previous clubs. Yes RM produced the great escape but a lot was down to the others performing worse than us. I have never seen Sam Collins as an up and coming Coach, he had a few opportunities inbetween the manager merry go round but didn't really impress me. Yes I am being totally negative but judging by the other posts we are shite in midfield and suspect defensively. Onwards and upwards hopefully.



Aye, cause no club has ever brought a decent player from free transfer, have they?, RM should hang is head in shame and do the decent thing and walk, we should be top, why aren't we top, I want us to be top


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I think what he may be saying is if you have a team full of them chances are you may struggle. New owners you would expect a little bit more than just freebies from teams just as bad as us.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:25 pm 
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carlisle are all free transfers miles better than us.

him with the red hair was shit hot.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Brian Clough wrote:
WEAK AS PISS at the back.

Duckworth needs dropping and play magnay at right back.

we need at least one winger on and a new enforcer in the middle.

gutted sadx



No not if we are continuing 433...Magnay is the best player we have in the middle, the arse fell out our midfield in the second half without him. What we really need is an experienced CB to command the defensive line and give a bit of organisation there.

A winger would be handy to set up 442, I'd like to see Kudus fit to see what he is all about and have him and Connor Smith on the wings with Featherstone and woods in the middle. Then we could put Magnay at RB with Harrison, Worley & Carroll and Bingham and Paynter up top


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 6:42 pm 
I struggle to see what Paynter is bringing in the last 2 games, Bingham on the other hand is a real handful, just need another option!


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4-4-2 4-4-2 fucking 4-4-2


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Brian Clough wrote:
carlisle are all free transfers miles better than us.

him with the red hair was shit hot.
yeah and just won there first game this season against us. Says a lot last week it was Stevenage who hadn't won a game.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:35 pm 
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paynter should have been taken off went to 4-4-2 and played Fenwick and Bingham down the middle.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Changing to 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 is going to change nothing regarding the full backs and to do we have the wide players to play 4-4-2?

A couple of signings are needed to balance the squad.

Maybe a centre mid so Magnay can play full back and a natural wide player.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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At times we do play some impressive stuff and get in some nice positions. I wouldn't be aiming criticism at our forward players for our shortcomings, I think we are well covered there.

The lack of a proper winger leaves us bereft of switching to a 442 (plan b)- Bingham isn't a winger. At 2-1 maybe a switch would have provided us with more protection and we could have edged out Carlisle.

I think Carrol can be an asset and has the right body shape and size to be a successful league 2 left back, if he can improve defensively. Harrison has gone off the boil though. Hopefully we aren't at the very limit of our budget because we need some defensive cover and possibly a winger.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Thoroughly disappointed with that today. The manner in which we lost asked a number of questions about our fortitude - something I didn't expect to have to do this season. We backed off far too often and looked very hesitant to make a decisive challenge for the ball on various occasions. I was not impressed with Nelson-Addy at all (though I do realise he was playing vaguely out of position at times) and thought his composure was questionable when it came to basic distribution.

We lacked a lot of mental strength when we were in the lead and, after working so frigging hard to get ahead, we conceded very weak goals. The goals were well taken by Carlisle, but the defending that lead to them was very weak and limp.

Even at 2-2, I still thought we had a chance as we were playing well in midfield and Rakish was looking determined to put one away. However, as soon as we kicked off after conceding that goal, there was only going to be one team who would score...our heads dropped, we looked tired and we really appeared deflated. It was inevitable. I've not expected to see us capitulate in a manner like that for a long time now, especially under Ronnie. Billy was very, very quiet today and did not look himself at all. I was quite disappointed in his leadership today. His touch was fab at times and his retention and knock downs were excellent, but he was very insular and didn't verbalise much.

On a side note...how frigging stupid is Jason Kennedy?

I literally could not believe my eyes when he gave that penalty away. You've been caught basically man-handling Fenwick in the box, the referee is staring right at you when he blows the whistle and has categorically warned you that he will give a foul if he sees you do it again...and what do you do? You wrestle Fenwick to the point that you may as well be riding him around with a ball gag in his mouth.

Footballers are frigging stupid at times. sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Just fucked off.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Oh yes and that trilby wearing fuckwit in their end really does need a fucking good hiding.

And I'm not a violent bloke.

In his case though, I very much am.

Twat.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Surprised no one has mentioned Nelson-Addy. He was very poor. Difficult for the lad to be thrown in the deep end today, but I honestly don't think he's up to League 2 standard. Doesn't seem strong enough and look a bit lost at times.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:05 pm 
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Surprised no one has mentioned Nelson-Addy. He was very poor. Difficult for the lad to be thrown in the deep end today, but I honestly don't think he's up to League 2 standard. Doesn't seem strong enough and look a bit lost at times.


He played well when he came on at Stevenage, is ok going forward but not got a defensive bone in him!


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Having had time to reflect, not going to go overboard as some posters are ( I have done it myself many a time ) but a big influence on the game IMHO was Magnay going off.

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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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I agree with Chip regarding the keeper by the way as well, he's done well and won't let us down but he's too small. A bigger keeper would have saved the Bouremouth free kick on Tuesday as well. We need Carson to get fit. Way, way overrated by some.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Bartlett reminds me of a lad called Paul O'Conner we had in mid nineties when Stephen Pears was crocked. He was a canny keeper as well but soon teams cottoned on every cross or corner goes deeper and you concede headers from close range. Five inches taller and he's a World beater but just too small.

Jim Provett is another who I'd compare him to.


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I thought Boyce was decent today. Featherstone was anonymous. Duckworth totally exposed constantly with no one in front of him. Oates tried but only had scraps to feed off he does remind me though of Jon Daly. We definitely need a plan B it's worrying that we don't appear to have one. I thought they dominated and could should have embarrassed us. I was Impressed with them overall and surprised by their progress. I too would love a nasty central midfielder.


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I can't firkin believe that people are pointing the finger at Adam Bartlett rather than the shoddy performances of those in front of him today. None of the defensive quartet came out of that game with any credit, the midfield failed to support them when under pressure and the forwards failed to hold the ball up sufficiently when in possession. The management duo also failed inasmuch as they made the WRONG decisions at key times during the game the lack of options on the bench could and should have been mitigated by a chance of tactics rather than introducing the embarrassingly inadequate Nelson-Addy into midfield. The whole lot need to take a long, hard look at themselves following the three poor performances over the past week.


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I don't think anyone's pointed the finger, he's played well but in the long term teams will cotton on that he's small which puts different pressure on the centre backs of the keeper doesn't come out of his six yard box. Harrison's form has been commented on, could these two things be linked?


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Carroll needs to improve his set play delivery; that has been evident since the Newport game. Although we scored from a corner yesterday, it was over-hit & we did well to keep it in play.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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I the games I have seen this season so far I would say we have not been the better team in any of them apart from arguably the York game!

Morecambe passed us to death in the 1st half and could have been a couple up before we scored, we edged the 2nd half.
Fleetwood - wasn't there
York 50 -50 game we took our chances they didn't but Bartlett kept us in it.
Newport - Again goalkeeper kept us in it and we took our chance.
Stevenage- wasn't there
Bournemouth - different class but could not close them down need to pack midfield more in my opinion
Carlisle - wingbacks tourtured us and left hole for the brillo pad headed no 10 to link everything up, if they put their easy chances away that they missed it could have been 5 or 6 yesterday but in fairness we should have had another 2.

This midfield 3 we seem to be persisting with are getting simply overrun, time and time again yesterday their wingbacks were given 20 yards to play in and then when Featherstone or Woods went to pick one of them up the number 10 who was a very good player was unmarked. A point that was lost on some idiots in the Town End, They had 5 we had 3 in midfield its not hard plus 1 of them is an insurance policy sitting in front of the back four and also our front 3 don't have a defensive bone in their body none of them are going to chase back and help out too often.

I say a little thank you everyday that we have gotten rid of some of the deadwood from the last couple of seasons, but I think that Ronnie has some big changes to make, we haven't played any of the expected 'big hitters' in this division yet and time and time we are getting torn apart by pretty basic midfield movement.

For me I would go:-

Bartlett
Worley,Harrison, Boyce
Magnay
Duckworth, Woods, Featherstone, Smith
Bingham, Paynter

Come on Ronnie change it up a bit, but then again how much better are we than last year as someone said on the way out.


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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Carson, Walker for featherstone and Carroll for Smith and I'd agree with that

I think Walker will give us more in terms of height, pace and goal threat than Featherstone, and Carroll is a wing back type player so I'd give him a go in his best role, plus Connor Smith is a forward not really a wide man who could defend.

Although I have no real evidence to back that up so he might be the answer

1 in 6 is not a great return from Bingham and he has been unlucky not to have a few more to his name, but playing through the middle with Paynter closer too him should play more to his strengths

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Does anyone know if is Mirfin injured by the way?

Not in the Scunny squad today!!

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Borthwicks-Tash wrote:

For me I would go:-

Bartlett
Worley,Harrison, Boyce
Magnay
Duckworth, Woods, Featherstone, Smith
Bingham, Paynter



Good luck with Conor Smith as a left wing back, will definitely sure up the defence that


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We looked pretty bad playing 3 5 2 in pre season as well.

I thought we were the better team yesterday until Magnay went off. He for me has become our most important player. He's doing a job in midfield that we have missed for years. Breaks everything up on the floor and wins plenty of headers. After he was gone we really struggled to get a foothold in the game and as has been pointed out got totally overrun on the flanks.

For me Carroll has a lot to prove he hasn't quite done anything yet despite looking to a decent signing in pre season. He hasn't looked good defensively and really doesn't help out much in attack. There's no real threat to his position either though so cant really change it.

I don't think its quite time for panic stations yet but we are definitely still a long way off a top half team.


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Brian Clough wrote:
WEAK AS PISS at the back.

Duckworth needs dropping and play magnay at right back.

we need at least one winger on and a new enforcer in the middle.

gutted sadx


Carroll was exposed a lot too and it's all down to the formation. When you play 4-3-3 you need your two wide strikers to track back. I can't remember Bingham tracking back once to help Duckworth out, thus causing him to be outnumbered every time they attacked. People are happy to blame players but not point their finger at the tactics. Should it have been changed once we went 2-1 up so we weren't as exposed? In hindsight, probably yes.


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We looked pretty bad playing 3 5 2 in pre season as well.

I thought we were the better team yesterday until Magnay off.


Really? We may have been winning but a fair score line would have been about 4-2 to them or something. Game was crying out for a change in formation and that the Injury should have enforced it even more in Ronnies mind.

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 Post subject: Re: Today Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:08 pm 
Play Harrison in midfield while Magnay out, Worley in his place, Jones at left back and voila, a decent defence!


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PJPoolie wrote:
Bartlett reminds me of a lad called Paul O'Conner we had in mid nineties when Stephen Pears was crocked. He was a canny keeper as well but soon teams cottoned on every cross or corner goes deeper and you concede headers from close range. Five inches taller and he's a World beater but just too small.

Jim Provett is another who I'd compare him to.

And Steve Jones. And Martin Hollund.


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Chip Fireball wrote:
Duckworth was one of our best players today.

Their first goal came from a bloke getting in behind the left back, and the second from a bloke waltzing through the left back area, but hey, lets blame the right back.

Anyone suggesting taking Magnay out of the centre of midfield at present, wants fucking sectioning.



Totally agree with above, also agree with MonkeyButt about Paynter's poor performances in the last two games.


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