Tunisia

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

This massacre in Tunisia, absolutely awful and yet what can be done

Do we just pull back from all these conflicts and let the Americans get on with it on their own. Should we just leave them all to it and kill each other in the Middle East.

I am going to Turkey in 4 weeks with my wife and kids and although clearly, I know it will be fine, it has put a little gremlin in the back of my head.

Is it now an acceptable part of the current 'age' that terrorist attacks can happen anywhere and at any time

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

Have stayed at the Rui belle vue and the royal kenz either side of the affected hotel and I really feel for the future of the hotels in this area, the locals who worked there are lovely people and don't deserve what's happening to them

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pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Why try to avoid something that could happen anywhere. They've won if you do that.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Can't imagine it be long before similar happens in UK. No point changing your life or plans for it.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

Can't imagine it be long before similar happens in UK. No point changing your life or plans for it.

I agree, in fact I am quite amazed one hasn't happened for 10 yrs. we will never know but maybe the security services have stopped attacks by the arrests made over the past few years.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:04 pm

Letting them (the Middle East) get on with it would be the ideal solution; the only thing is we should have started doing it 70 years ago. The genie is out of the bottle now.
Britain isn't exactly innocent in this matter. We were the ones who were policing Palestine and thought it would be a good idea to give it to the Zionists (there weren't any Israelis in the 2500 years between the Babylon conquest and 1948).
There's not much we can do now to undo the mistake though.

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:12 pm

I might be staggeringly naive here, but wasn't Israel set up so that the west (particularly the USA) could have a foothold in an area swimming in oil?

As for attacks in the UK, it's only a matter of time I think. The repercussions will be horrible for anyone who could be mistaken for a Muslim. Look at that poor bastard who was attacked in a Tesco by that white supremacist nutter in Wales.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:24 pm

poolieinnottingham wrote:

I might be staggeringly naive here, but wasn't Israel set up so that the west (particularly the USA) could have a foothold in an area swimming in oil?

It was no doubt an issue but I don't think it was the main one because the USA was still swimming in oil itself. But it was probably one of the reasons (along with their biggest city being largely Jewish) why the US--and therefore the rest of the Western world who weren't really ready for another scrap--just pretended Ben Gurion hadn't said "Oooh goody, the Brits have gone; I'm having some of that".

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

We fucked up by getting rid of gadaffi and Hussain even though these two were bastards they kept all these twats at bay.

BernardCribbensUSA · **Joined:** Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:48 pm **Posts:** 186

Kevin Dixon wrote:

We fucked up by getting rid of gadaffi and Hussain even though these two were bastards they kept all these twats at bay.

As one Reagan administration official put it, "Saddam Hussein is a bastard. But he's our bastard."

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 885

Totally agree Chip what we are dealing with is Sneaky Bastards and if them people on the Beach had Guns so they could fight back he would not of even been there. What saddens me we stand by our values in this Country but sometimes they are a weakness for instance if that fucker had done this Atrocity on Seaton Beach and a Copper shot him Dead the Copper would have been taken to court for breaching his Human Rights at least the Tunisians gave him what he Deserved.

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:16 am

Thats Tunisia,Turkey,Cyprus and Greece off my holiday list..Looking like it's Benidorm again for me.

RAY52 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:36 pm **Posts:** 932

You'll probably find now that Tunisia is the safest place to take a holiday

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex wrote:

Thats Tunisia,Turkey,Cyprus and Greece off my holiday list..Looking like it's Benidorm again for me.

Don't recall a single terrorist attack on a caravan park. You'll be fine.

Hartleblue · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:25 am

Chip Fireball wrote:

Going to London next week with the kids, see the Met are doing a massive counter terrorism exercise down there at present, think we will head to Brighton on the 7th July as its the anniversary of the tube bombings, and if the fuckwits are gonna do something thats the most likely date.

Your chances of being killed by a terrorist are probably still smaller than being killed by a bee sting or a walnut, and theres as much chance of being killed in a big city ( London, Paris, New York, Madrid, etc ) than at a beach location.

Where I think the Government is going wrong is in trying to stop British citizens going to Syria and Iraq to join IS. For me they should be providing complimenatary transport for anyone who wants to go. The priviso being that we will guarantee them safe passge to whichever shithole they choose, on the basis that in return they surrender their passport and any right to ever enter this country again. If they did try to get back in we should have the right to execute them on the spot. Humanely.

Spot on! Let them have their own little haven and the rest of the world barricades them in. No contact, no trading, no fucking help in a crisis, nothing just let the dirty bastards rot!

born toulouse · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:25 am

poolie wrote:

Totally agree Chip what we are dealing with is Sneaky Bastards and if them people on the Beach had Guns so they could fight back he would not of even been there.

Absolutely! Arm everybody to the teeth and then nobody gets hurt. It has worked a treat in the US where shootings virtually never ever happen and across the Afghanistan and Iraq regions where arming any dodgy fooker who was our enemy's enemy has clearly ushered in a period of peace and prosperity.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

born toulouse wrote:

poolie wrote:

Totally agree Chip what we are dealing with is Sneaky Bastards and if them people on the Beach had Guns so they could fight back he would not of even been there.

Absolutely! Arm everybody to the teeth and then nobody gets hurt. It has worked a treat in the US where shootings virtually never ever happen and across the Afghanistan and Iraq regions where arming any dodgy fooker who was our enemy's enemy has clearly ushered in a period of peace and prosperity.

Of course that's not the answer but I get what he is alluding to.

If we did just pull back, including the yanks, would the world be at peace / would innocent holiday makers be safe from being massacred whilst laying on their sun loungers

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

We have 225 Nuclear missiles sitting idea. Use them. Ask Japan if it works.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We have 225 Nuclear missiles sitting idea. Use them. Ask Japan if it works.

I'm all for it if you can guarantee no innocents will be killed. If not then what would make such an attack any better morally than any terrorist attack?

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 885

Toulouse your missing the point im not saying give every one a Gun but you need a Deterrent if you were out some where with your Wife and kids for instance and you are in the Vicinity of a Coward with a Machine Gun whos only aim in life is to kill you and your Family and as many others as he possibly can what would you do, would you simply talk to him i know what the out come will be. You canrt reason with these people they are just Cowards with Guns and should be dealt with Accordingly

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:25 am

I would be more inclined to ask how this guy from a relatively poor area of Tunisia was able to get his hands on an expensive deadly weapon, and who supplied him with it?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:27 am

But if the terrorists said where they were going to attack they wouldn't be very good terrorists and it would be piss easy to beat them. The only way to make sure the intended victims have a gun is to arm everybody. You'd then get lots of people killed in accidental shootings and anybody who wanted to cause bother would have a gun to do it with. Think about all the aggressive arseholes you've ever known and imagine them with guns.

I can understand why you're saying it but it really isn't a solution.

Blue and White · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:39 am

pooliecrab wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We have 225 Nuclear missiles sitting idea. Use them. Ask Japan if it works.

I'm all for it if you can guarantee no innocents will be killed. If not then what would make such an attack any better morally than any terrorist attack?

I can see where your coming from but the people under their control have no standard of life whatsoever, for example the women they capture are treat horrifically. I'm not saying I'm agreeing with Mr I on this but those who are trapped by them haven't got much of a chance of getting free besides the UK and the U.S. rolling into the Middle East again.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:17 am

Rolling into the ME has been soooo effective in the past; what are we waiting for?

As soon as that guy came down from the mountain, Europe should have ring-fenced the whole region and wished them the best of luck.

I'm sure 1400 years on they'd still have been willing to sell us oil.

But no, we couldn't resist hoying the odd crusade at them.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Blue and White wrote:

pooliecrab wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We have 225 Nuclear missiles sitting idea. Use them. Ask Japan if it works.

I'm all for it if you can guarantee no innocents will be killed. If not then what would make such an attack any better morally than any terrorist attack?

I can see where your coming from but the people under their control have no standard of life whatsoever, for example the women they capture are treat horrifically.

Sounds like you're saying their lives are shit so might as well kill them too. I'm sure you're not though...

Blue and White · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:59 am

Not at all, the way I look at it is there is no chance of outside intervention from the rest of the world. Unless the Iraqi army and the militia are able to defeat them the rest of the world won't step in physically until they think is necessary

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:04 am

We are planning on going to Turkey in September, our lass is a bit concerned with all the crack that's being on recently but as it was mentioned these complete nutjobs can attack anywhere in the world. We off to London in August and the risk will be equal of anything happening as Turkey.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

We have 225 Nuclear missiles sitting idea. Use them. Ask Japan if it works.

Am sure North Korea would oblige if ISIS ever did an attack there.

Compo · **Posted:** Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:19 am

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

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