I tell you what

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Watching the stuff going on at pools today, reading about it n all that, the future, the contract for Ron etc etc

I'm feeling positive

Takeover day was great, then just like Christmas you have a bit of a lul on the night...

Now it's Boxing Day n I'm playing with my toys n I love em all!

The towns club is back!

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Aberdeen Pools · **Posted:** Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:25 pm

I've just caught up with this from Radio Tees earlier, about 7 minutes in, I really hope Mr Coxall is as genuine as he sounds. Great interview, fingers crossed!

http://bbc.in/1Jjl6SG

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

PaulL wrote:

I've been wary about this takeover, but I really am warming to it.

Looking at Gary Coxall's twitter, he just comes across as a normal bloke who's bought a football club. I particularly like his bio "Owner and co-owner of several things, including a dog.", no evil people have ever owned/co-owned dogs!

He seems to be saying all of the right things, hopefully he can actually follow through with them.

I do find it very odd that that he never supported and stuck to just one club though.

My dad never supported a club, n he's alright.

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pooliedan92 · **Joined:** Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:40 pm **Posts:** 187

Ronnie and Sam having some craic with him on Twitter too. He seems like a really down to earth bloke who wants us to do well.
looking forward to finding out his short, medium and long term plans

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

PaulL wrote:

I've been wary about this takeover, but I really am warming to it.

Looking at Gary Coxall's twitter, he just comes across as a normal bloke who's bought a football club. I particularly like his bio "Owner and co-owner of several things, including a dog.", no evil people have ever owned/co-owned dogs!

He seems to be saying all of the right things, hopefully he can actually follow through with them.

I do find it very odd that that he never supported and stuck to just one club though.

Hitler had a dog. Evil might be pushing it but he certainly had his faults.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:09 pm

Proper buzz going into next season.. We have a proper manager who has had a clear out and replaced with younger players and finally a chairman who communicates with fans. Devastated I miss the first game of the season, I'll be in London with our lass for my birthday, times like these I regret being in the August Birthday Elite (soz yubep)

Jonnym4 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:04 pm **Posts:** 103

I think everyone is is a bit anxious to be fair. That interview on tees is very good to be fair. I also can't imagine that he would openly admit to being the sponsorship which had been agreed with TMH if they were somehow connected.

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

He's very good at PR. I wouldn't have expected anything less. The people behind the takeover wouldn't put another Ken Hodcroft in front of us.

Hopefully it works out as good as it sounds, I'm not unzipping his trousers yet though.

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 885

A good salesman will always have good patter but it is a big change to have some one taking the time to communicate with us which as we all know has not happened for years.
So what difference does it make if he was Bankrupt sometimes things don't work out as planned that's just life in the Business world and at the end of the day they are the Owners of Pools. how ever what have we been asking for.......
A good manager we've got one
IOR to leave the club they have left
A good clear-out its been done.
New signings nearly completed
Reduced admission prices its been done
So when you look at the above what on earth are people still complaining about i know each and everyone has their own opinions but for heavens sake a rich arab is not coming our way so lets be happy with whats in front of us and let time take its course.

OddsOnPhil · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:27 am **Posts:** 674

poolie wrote:

A good salesman will always have good patter but it is a big change to have some one taking the time to communicate with us which as we all know has not happened for years.
So what difference does it make if he was Bankrupt sometimes things don't work out as planned that's just life in the Business world and at the end of the day they are the Owners of Pools. how ever what have we been asking for.......
A good manager we've got one
IOR to leave the club they have left
A good clear-out its been done.
New signings nearly completed
Reduced admission prices its been done
So when you look at the above what on earth are people still complaining about i know each and everyone has their own opinions but for heavens sake a rich arab is not coming our way so lets be happy with whats in front of us and let time take its course.

Maybe it's just that it all seems too good to be true, after the last few years you can't blame people for being a bit wary, we can only hope that everything works out ok and that the new owners can be taken at face value. Things are looking like heading in the right direction.

Rinkender · **Joined:** Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:36 pm **Posts:** 797

My reservation is that they have barely got their feet under the table and are wanting discussions with the council over the ground ownership.

A bit like meeting the woman of your dreams and on the first date her saying, you do own that top of the range Merc don't you?

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:02 am

His interview on Tees went some way to explaining why us but I'd like to hear more.

There also doesn't seem to be a clear vision of where they want to take us,. Do they see us pushing on back into league 1 or have they higher ambitions. They have said they both they and us want to be the best we can be but that's not giving much away.

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Joe Mac wrote:

Proper buzz going into next season.. We have a proper manager who has had a clear out and replaced with younger players and finally a chairman who communicates with fans. Devastated I miss the first game of the season, I'll be in London with our lass for my birthday, times like these I regret being in the August Birthday Elite (soz yubep)

Take that back!

Thankfully my birthday is on season eve so I can make the game. Should have thought of that 26 years ago joe! (Just guessing your 26)

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Joe Mac · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:34 am

Correct, my birthday is season eve eve. I just assumed we would be away first game of the season. We are staying in Shoreditch so my beard/thick glasses combo will come in handy so I can be hipster as fuck and keep up my cool guy image.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:39 am

Did anyone ask him about the bankrupt issue?

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 885

I agree if its to good to be true it probably is however at the moment they are selling themselves and the club on the feel good factor at the moment.
The ground is a big issue how ever its common sense you wont spend money on some thing you do not own and if the Landlord (HBC) does not spend on the facilities then you get Decay which as we all know has been going on in the last couple of years.
The ownership of the ground should not be a problem provided a Covenant has been placed on the Land it stands on for the use of Sporting Events and Facilities now in the past ive tried to overturn a Covenant and change of use for Business and got absolutely no where the Covenant was on the Land in Question was for 200 years.
I believe alltho HBC are Labor even they are not that stupid to understand what a motive maybe and take the appropriate actions to safe guard the Land

Ritchies birthmark · **Joined:** Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:31 am **Posts:** 5637

I agree fully with chip on this. Asking questions shouldn't be considered being narky or having a go etc it's simply because trust is earned. You don't just immediately trust folk without knowing anything about them. Everything they have done so far is top drawer but what else were they gona do, come in and piss people off??

Only time will tell if everything is as good as it seems. Personally I have my doubts which im hoping are just me being daft.

End of day Iv wanted rid of ior for years, so I can't whinge they have gone. I just hope this chairmen dosnt turn nasty.

I would like the ground to remain as it is until these owners have proved themselves, jumping in with 2 feet could end up with us doing a darlo amd playing elsewhere.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:20 am

PJPoolie wrote:

Hitler had a dog. Evil might be pushing it but he certainly had his faults.

Congratulations. You've just invoked Reductio ad Hitlerum. (To be fair, it was begging to be invoked.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:23 am

Just listened to the interview. I wasn't expecting him to sound like Henry Cooper.
Anyone who pronounces Artlepool correctly can't be all bad.

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 885

I am not saying Questions should not be asked off course they should that's why we have a process in the Football League to Vet new owners and obviously they have passed the required standards or they would not be the Owners of Pools.
Any business can go wrong with what ever turn over how ever if your business is to survive and prosper you have got to Maximize your Income and lets be honest they haven't bought pools to lose money so really if pools are to prosper in the future its HBC who hold all the Aces at the negotiating table for the continued future of pools irrespective of who owns the name and status cos that's all they have Bought at the Moment

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 885

If IOR just gave away the club then that would tell us we had no future under them whats so ever.
I agree people can Fraud a system for their own ends and to be honest we have got to ask what do Cockneys want with a Low football league club like Pools.
It probably is the land but what can we do as supporters do we support our club or do we say @uck that i don't like them cos they look a bit shady and we don't know their Intentions all we can do is take it as it is at the moment which looks not to bad on the field and go from there.
A good local company like Niramax as being good owners have been mentioned how ever they and others have had the Opportunity to be the Owners of pools and obviously they have declined.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9824

IOR bled the club dry with there cutbacks over the last two years and in the process almost killed our club.

I can understand the cautious approach from fans after the TMH debacle.
The season ticket sales will give a good indication of whether the fans have faith in the new owners.

As for Hodcroft handing it over for free you dont have to be a mathematician to work out were the transfer monies went.

Anyway all that shits in the past.
Onwards n Upwards.

loan_star · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:26 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

The thing is Poolie some of us highlighted the dodginess of TMH within 24 hours and were largely ignored by people saying how great it was to have new owners that wanted to talk to the fans. None of the local journalists asked any of the difficult questions, until 2 months after, when it went tits up, and we had wasted a transfer window.

Nobody is " complaining " as you put it, people are very rightly in my opinion wanting answers to a few basic questions.
The alleged bankrupcy, yes everyone makes mistakes, most of us will have got into a bit of debt, but not to the extent we end up in court over it. That suggests if nothing else he has made bad business decisions, and been reckless when it comes to running up debts.
Likewise Goldbergs liquidated companies, there may be a genuine reason for those, but we wont know unless someone asks the question.

Coxhall himself said they have been looking at the football club for 5 months, maybe a bit longer, and were talking to previous potential owners about shirt sponsorship. I'm sorry but that does suggest if nothing else discussions took place at the start of the year between TMH and JPNG, and I would be interested to know what instigated them. Cant imagine Peter Harris picked up the Yellow Pages and started randomly dialling numbers looking for shirt sponsors.

Like TMH they have no connection to the area or club, they have no long successful trading history that I can see, their offices if you look at them in Google Street View do not suggest they are the sort of company used to running a business with a £3 million turnover, and having got the club on the cheap, it now appears they want the ground on the cheap as well.

As I say they may have legitimate answers to all of the above, but the only way we will find out is by asking the question. For me thats not complaining thats just giving a shit about your football club and wanting to know exactly who owns it and what their actual intentions are.

What stood out to me in the interview was the mention of developing the land around the ground. Heard that one before more than once regarding the arena and surrounding land. Sounds like a typical property speculator / developer. All the more reason to keep backing the trust idea, just to be on the safe side.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:14 pm

Rinkender wrote:

My reservation is that they have barely got their feet under the table and are wanting discussions with the council over the ground ownership.

I really wouldnt say that was anything to worry about at all. If you were wantign to buy a club then surely in light of previous owners who had been refused the ground (albeit on account of a derisory offer) then you would want to know the state of play re buying the ground and developing it.

I would say it would have been more worrying had they bought the club without making such enquiries first as it would suggest not only a lack of preparation but a lack of ambition.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Chip Fireball wrote:

Have they bought the club, or has Hodcroft given them it because he wants rid ?

Rumoured bidders like Fircroft or Niramax I could understand people being happy if they took over, local companies, with a long trading history that we know have got some poke.

JPNG I know nothing about. Their Head Office is Forest House, Forest Road, Ilford I believe. I've looked at it on Google Street View. It could well be two rented rooms above a garage on a trading estate in the middle of nowehere.

That in itself doesn't make them bad owners, and they may well turn out to be very good owners, but if you believe dodgy people have never got past the fit and proper test then you aint living in the real world.

Yet people would have been 'happy' if Niramax took over

No thanks.

Brian Clough · **Joined:** Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:39 pm **Posts:** 282

Oh this sounds very suspicious indeed .... Mr Gary Coxall has a reputation for becoming Director or Chairman of a Ltd Company and usually within 2 years that very Company is then Dissolved after it has been ran very poorly . Why do certain people in this Town not do checks to see if certain people have a good History of running Companies? The mind boggles. http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/1817876 ... ohn-coxall

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Brian Clough wrote:

Oh this sounds very suspicious indeed .... Mr Gary Coxall has a reputation for becoming Director or Chairman of a Ltd Company and usually within 2 years that very Company is then Dissolved after it has been ran very poorly . Why do certain people in this Town not do checks to see if certain people have a good History of running Companies? The mind boggles. http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/1817876 ... ohn-coxall

Here we go again everyone, it's t roll O'Clock.

You just said all of that, word for word, in another thread you started.

Lord_of_Stranton · **Joined:** Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:48 pm **Posts:** 1852

Brian Clough wrote:

Oh this sounds very familiar indeed .... I have a reputation for becoming a member or poster of a fan's forum and usually within 2 days that very forum is then bored after my posts have been piss poor. Why do certain people probably not in this town not do anything else with their time? The mind boggles. http://www.feckoffwouldya.co.uk/profile/1817876 ...brian_clough

He makes a good point though.

stupoolie · **Posted:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:37 pm

PJPoolie wrote:

Brian Clough wrote:

Oh this sounds very suspicious indeed .... Mr Gary Coxall has a reputation for becoming Director or Chairman of a Ltd Company and usually within 2 years that very Company is then Dissolved after it has been ran very poorly . Why do certain people in this Town not do checks to see if certain people have a good History of running Companies? The mind boggles. http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/1817876 ... ohn-coxall

Here we go again everyone, it's t roll O'Clock.

You just said all of that, word for word, in another thread you started.

Which has been promptly deleted :-o

charco · **Joined:** Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:24 am **Posts:** 885

Brian Clough wrote:

Oh this sounds very suspicious indeed .... Mr Gary Coxall has a reputation for becoming Director or Chairman of a Ltd Company and usually within 2 years that very Company is then Dissolved after it has been ran very poorly . Why do certain people in this Town not do checks to see if certain people have a good History of running Companies? The mind boggles. http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/1817876 ... ohn-coxall

And listed under Gary Coxall he is the Director of Stewart Property Maintenance Limited, Company address identical to JPNG ... from March 2013 to current date of endole website, earliest April 2015 (although the company now seems to be dissolved)

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37823

Brian Clough wrote:

Why do certain people in this Town not do checks to see if certain people have a good History of running Companies? The mind boggles. http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/1817876 ... ohn-coxall

Because the only person whose opinion counts for anything is the person selling the club, we're just powereless bystanders. Get used to it and hope it works out, you don't have a choice in the matter.

poolie · **Joined:** Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:31 pm **Posts:** 885

Lets just see how we go from here with IOR they only had Paper Debt which didn't really exist simply because to Borrow money you need an Asset as Security against the Loan. So if this new group buy the ground they can then take out Loans against the Asset which would mean then that the Debt is real and re payable to the Lender so if the money is not paid back in Cash the Lender then sells the Assets to recover the loan. what would happen its called Administration to recover Losses of the Lender.
So HBC need to be very careful and on this One no way would i sell this lot the Ground going on their Previous Track Records of Business Dealings

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:17 am

Would the Asset have any real value though if it has a restriction to only use as a football ground.
It probably couldn't be borrowed against or sold

- except for scrap and Howard has gone, my sister has one of the turnstiles in her garden and didn't Billingham nick the grass cutter.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:23 am

poolie wrote:

Lets just see how we go from here with IOR they only had Paper Debt which didn't really exist simply because to Borrow money you need an Asset as Security against the Loan. So if this new group buy the ground they can then take out Loans against the Asset which would mean then that the Debt is real and re payable to the Lender so if the money is not paid back in Cash the Lender then sells the Assets to recover the loan. what would happen its called Administration to recover Losses of the Lender.
So HBC need to be very careful and on this One no way would i sell this lot the Ground going on their Previous Track Records of Business Dealings

Have you really just felt the need to copy and paste that on 2 separate threads? Attention seeking at it's finest.

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