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 Post subject: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:41 am 
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Sounds like one example were suicide can be described as selfish;

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo ... rrer=&_r=0

Scary as fuck really if that is what has happened.


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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:19 am 
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PJPoolie wrote:
Sounds like one example were suicide can be described as selfish;

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo ... rrer=&_r=0

Scary as fuck really if that is what has happened.


Just read all about this, it is bloody frightening. After seing varying degrees of air disasters on the news over the years the woman and I have decided to give planes a big fucking wide berth and instead go on nice boring (but 100% safe) holidays in the car, on the ground, in the UK. It's enough to make you go a bit Dennis Bergkamp all this.


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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:32 am 
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It's not really when you think about it, I'd imagine more people die around the World every year in cars than in planes (mind the last 12 months might go against the grain! It won't though) but it is not something you consider when you board a flight, that your and everyone else on board getting blaked on little cans life is in the hands of two people, or in this case one if he locks the other one out. But it only takes one idiot one a road to kill you. Some daft twat full of drugs caused absolute carnage on the A19 the other week going the wrong way up it.

It's incredibly rare and you'd have to be unbelievably unluckily to be on that flight, if you get scared by shit like this, even though it is scary, you'd never leave the house.


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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:37 am 
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Quick Google, 1.3 million worldwide road deaths per year on average 100% safe!? Malaysian Airways would even go well to match that!


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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:54 am 
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Yeah I can see what you are saying, I'm aware of the road stats etc. what I meant was your destiny is in your own hands a little more driving than it is up in the gods. You could set off early when there's ball all on the road, and negate risk that way. Suppose if you were ultra cautious you could travel by train but then there's derailments!! Fuck it, let's just all stay in the house ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:35 am 
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PJPoolie wrote:
Quick Google, 1.3 million worldwide road deaths per year on average 100% safe!? Malaysian Airways would even go well to match that!

How many car journeys worldwide compared to how many flights...?
Trouble is there are no hard shoulders st 30,000 feet.

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:37 am 
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I see they have made a significant discovery at his home but wont say what apart from it aint a suicide note.

Hope it aint depression as can see another 5 pager coming on which will eventually be locked.

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:48 am 
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Better lock it now.. The break on his training is being reported as depression in some news sources.
So stupid that this could've been prevented by not leaving the cockpit with only one person in it..

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:52 am 
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Better lock it now.. The break on his training is being reported as depression in some news sources.
So stupid that this could've been prevented by not leaving the cockpit with only one person in it..



And when two pilots take a plane down do we then start having 3 people in the cockpit and so on?

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:03 am 
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Wommers wrote:
PJPoolie wrote:
Sounds like one example were suicide can be described as selfish;

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/wo ... rrer=&_r=0

Scary as fuck really if that is what has happened.


Just read all about this, it is bloody frightening. After seing varying degrees of air disasters on the news over the years the woman and I have decided to give planes a big fucking wide berth and instead go on nice boring (but 100% safe) holidays in the car, on the ground, in the UK. It's enough to make you go a bit Dennis Bergkamp all this.

i'm in dennis' camp on this one,no more planes for me,you can't trust anyone these days

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:04 am 
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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
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Better lock it now.. The break on his training is being reported as depression in some news sources.
So stupid that this could've been prevented by not leaving the cockpit with only one person in it..



And when two pilots take a plane down do we then start having 3 people in the cockpit and so on?

Thats a fishing statement if ever I saw one

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:16 am 
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The lockout option was put on cockpit doors following the twin towers attacks. Up until then whoever had the code could open the door - pilot, co-pilot and head of cabin crew. The idea was to give the pilot at the controls the choice to keep the other one out if they had been grabbed during a bog visit. Bit of a damned if they do and damned if they don't situation for the plane makers really.


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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:17 am 
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It's tragic if he was suffering from depression and this was his solution.

But it can't be used as a justification for taking the lives of 149 men, women, children and babies. I'd imagine most people who commit mass murder have some mental health problems this appears no different. Stan Collymore said on Twitter last night that he's never known anyone with depression harm anyone but themselves which is utter horseshit didn't he try to justify battering Ulrika Johnson by saying he was in the clutches of it?

A lot of good work is being done to remove the stigma attatched to admitting you are suffering and need help this shouldn't damage that it should actually reinforce the importance of that. Collymore thinks the media even mentioning that he was depressed is in some way harmful and damaging again what utter horse shit, considering the magnitude of what he's done it's fairly unlikely that he was in a good place mentally is it?

I have sympathy for anyone who is or ever has suffered depression but why should the media put cotton wool around the facts of that is what has happened?


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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:50 am 
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One instance of a pilot going berserk in 80 or so years of passenger flight seems like decent odds to me.

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:59 am 
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Snowy wrote:
PJPoolie wrote:
Quick Google, 1.3 million worldwide road deaths per year on average 100% safe!? Malaysian Airways would even go well to match that!

How many car journeys worldwide compared to how many flights...?
Trouble is there are no hard shoulders st 30,000 feet.

It doesn't matter how you measure it Mr Snowy - passenger miles, passenger hours, boardings - the two just aren't in the same league.
Planes are 1-3 deaths per two billion passenger miles depending on what you define as an aeroplane death (e.g., the guy whose head the plane falls on).

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:29 am 
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Montpoolier wrote:
One instance of a pilot going berserk in 80 or so years of passenger flight seems like decent odds to me.



Theres actually been quite a few. Just reading about one from 2012 where the pilot started shouting about Iraq and Al Queda coming to get them as he walked up the plane! The Co Pilot locked the door so he couldnt get back in and the passengers jumped on the pilot.

Quite a few others an all.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:55 pm 
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Right Mr Hamster, so that means in nearly every case but this one, the precautions have achieved exactly what they were meant to. I give the airlines about one week before they implement something to guard against what happened here.
In the USA the senior flight attendant must go into the cockpit if either of the pilots leaves it. Sounds to me like a free option that it would be stupid to pass up.

Well, to each his own fears I suppose but I won't be shitting myself on my next flight.

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 Post subject: Re: This weeks plane crash
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:15 pm 
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Montpoolier wrote:
Right Mr Hamster, so that means in nearly every case but this one, the precautions have achieved exactly what they were meant to. I give the airlines about one week before they implement something to guard against what happened here.
In the USA the senior flight attendant must go into the cockpit if either of the pilots leaves it. Sounds to me like a free option that it would be stupid to pass up.

Well, to each his own fears I suppose but I won't be shitting myself on my next flight.


A fair few companies have already put the 2 persons in the cockpit at all times policy in place in the last 2 days.

Its actually quite surprising how many pilots/co pilots/ flight attendants have had mental episodes up in the air.

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