...all well and good, but wasn't Sam Collins an integral part of their 'coaching' for the past years?

It seems austin is totally untouchable.

Quite embarrassing to read. Yeah just publicly criticise out best player in a transfer window. Hopefully he's not 1 of the players he's put on the list.

How many times has he actually seen duckworth play full back to come out with this anyways

Collins needs to go

I would love to know which of our players might go to a league one club Ronnie said possibly even two. Could only be duckworth and flinders.

Duckworth is a good player, one of our best in my opinion, however Moore is right at what he's saying. Duckworth and Holden have a tendency to attack, I know a lot of you like that but it leaves your defence open which puts a hell of a lot more on your two center backs. I think Duckworth sits back and is a decent defender but I've always said I would much rather have Holden on the wing! No offence to the lad but I can't see defending as a strong skill for the lad. He's got pace though, why not give it a shot, I've seen him play more of a wing role for the reserves and I thought he had a really good game. Time to give Franks a stint on the bench. Also, Austin can't really play at present, never mind defend. You would think he's been plucked from a Sunday leauge team!

Ffs

To be fair even ALB sat on the bench for a few Championship sides so no reason Flinders couldnt do the same in a League 1 side. Im sure if he was called on they would get an emergency loan in like rather than play for for a long length of time.

I am struggling to find the part of that article where Moore is slagging anyone off?

It seems quite constructive to me, if he can't bring in better players he has to try and improve the ones we've got. Duckworth is a great prospect and our best player, if he can improve defensively he could play at a much higher level.

Ditto, it's open and honest which is what I would prefer. All this bollicks about not naming names didn't work before. If some of our players can't see that he's saying they basically need to work harder at their game then fupp them. Several if not all of our players have been nothing short of an embarrassment to their profession for a good while now.
If a player cannot get his head down and work harder at improving his game, which he is being well paid to do, then he shouldn't be in this line of work.

Reminds me of someone on here

Honesty from the club,,,,,,erm here,s some Honesty for the club.

Actions speak louder than words.

So you're down at the training ground all the time are you? Seen Moore's lack of involvement for yourself?

You're entitled to take against member of the Pools' staff you like, but repeated comments about Moore "swanning about in his Range Rover" and "pissing about in the betting shop" are obviously intended to turn other fans against him.

Probably libelous too - just as well the football world's not full of Oystons!

Chip, you seem to mention Darren Holden quite a lot, I don't think he's blaming the lad, just that he's been instructed wrongly on some aspects of his game. As the whole team has tbh. He's a good player and Ducky is one of our best but how many times do you see our back 4 keeping a strong diciplined line?

Well, I make it three times you've alleged that Moore isn't spending much time on the training ground - twice here and once on another thread.

So I'll ask again - you know that for a fact do you? How come?

He isn't slagging them off, you have isolated one quote to make it look like he is;

“It’s not their fault, they haven’t been taught how to defend"

It’s down to the coaching they have had in the past which hasn’t been good enough.

So it’s wrong to say they can’t defend, they’ve not been taught how to.

We’ll make sure we get them back in the afternoons to teach them how to defend and play in a back four, they will appreciate it and be better players for it.

Both are quick, both like to get forward and both can improve their crossing in those areas.

“There’s a lot to work on but they are exciting going forward and can play that way."

Is what he is saying which isn't even approaching slagging either player off. You could also take the fact that he is talking about those two that Austin might even be dropped tomorrow if you want to look into what he's saying but I suppose that doesn't fit your agenda!

I thought the Oxford game was an improvement, the work rate was better and defensively we were better the less said about Morecambe the better! Realistically it's going to take anyone longer than 4 games to sort this team out.

Well if you read what he's saying he isn't actually slagging off either player, he is slagging off the standard of coaching.

classic case of chip putting half his chips on red and half on black

That's an optimistic estimation I'd say!

As for him not being on the training ground, he's got to have trust in his staff to get the team ready. We have a month to get players in and it's clearly proving nigh impossible to do so. Like you've said it's vital to get players in so he can't be criticised for trying to do exactly that. Ronnie will be in constant communication with the training staff and they'll be fully aware of what he wants the team to do.

Chip all that you have just stayed about Duckworth being one of our few attacking players is correct, but when we are relying on full backs to attack that in itself is an issue isn't it? I have said this all along, we can't win games if we don't score goals. Last season I said if we don't get a striker in over the summer we would struggle, and low and behold, it's happened. He wasn't blaming the players for the predicament.

Plus, of course he won't be at training 24/7, it's a small club. We don't have the luxury of having a massive network of staff to chase us possible loans and signings. I'm glad Ronnies the manager now, his Impact had shown already. If you don't think we've inproved then there's something wrong. We all know there's higher problems with finance and players but I would of personally liked to have seen Moore in after Cooper left ( I would of loved to see Coops get the boot earlier too). I do fear it's too little too late, but as a manager I like what I see so far. Players are always going to have preferences, if they feel the manager doesn't respond to them, it's like any work place.

I agree with most of what chip says tbh. One reason why moore may well be so forward with his criticism of the players and coaches may well be to try and prevent himself getting pelters as the club falls into non league with barely a whimper. He isn't used to failing and I'm sure he has been taken aback by the standard of players he has inherited. He has in the main been a decent manager over his career and even he can't make a silk purse out if a sows ear. He is stressing this in my opinion with all the criticism. He can't just state that the players are not trying otherwise he would be blamed for giving them 90 minutes each week. Ergo tell people that your tools are shit and you may get another job that bit easier when you realise what a mistake you have made and need to get out.

I've got a feeling he hinted in the press a change to the 4,4,2 and Im giving you a heads up it may just change for tomorrow's game. I'm not saying there's been an improvement in the full 90, but we are playing better football in patches which is an improvement, yes? I think it is. Plus what beard has just said is a little contradicting; he's blaming the players or the 'tools' he has... Then later you can't make a Silk purse out of a soes ear. We all know that some players just don't cut the mustard, we've all said in in various forums on here. I know you are both guilty of this also.

So why criticise the manager for the same? When he knows a lot more about the players than you (granted not the ones you know chip ha)

I go to every home game bar the odd few I've had to miss, a few aways and even reserves and this is the first time this season I've been glad of abit of honesty and making the players take responsability. They can quite easily pull their socks up. It's effort at the end of the day. Do they want to play or not.

My mates lad is a striker for a leauge one side and he only got picked up 2 years ago at 20. It's the effort and the mentally of 'never say die' we used to have that. There's only a small few that remain at Hartlepool United with that attitude.

Moore is saying the right things, but at the wrong club, the worst job in football after NUFC. It is no use slagging players off indefinitely unless you can bring new ones in.

I'm not saying the lad doesn't try. If you look back at my previous posts I've said he's a good player. I just think he would be an asset on the wing maybe, I personally feel he's not the strongest defensivley and his man often beats him. I'm aware that could be said of a lot of players but seen as though you keep picking your lad Holden as an example, forgive me for doing this also.

I'm am certainly no advocate for Neil Austin and I would much rather Darren played left back than Austin. We need a left back, that's my point. I'd get a left back in, drop Austin and franks and have Darren as a winger, the lads got pase. I would keep Ducky at right back, the games Moore had him on the wings he sat too deep which tells you his natural instinct is to defend. Whether it's done in the right way is being questioned but nobody is questioning these young players effort. Ducky gives 110%.

I totally agree with confidence and I can understand that what he is saying could impact on the players. HOWEVER I know what the media's like, the headline isn't the same as the story. It's not criticising the lads.

You don't know Austin may not be playing tomorrow... Just think about that point! Plus these "non triers" will be in this list. I highly doubt the players even know they are on the list.

Alan Wells had pace as well. Shite footballer though,

Holden isn't shite though, he's got potential. I just can't see him as a left back.

I think Holden is very close to being shite.

He offers practically nothing defensively (pretty key for a defender) and has a marginally better final ball to Franks.

His biggest assets are pace (untill he dribbles it into touch) and a long throw.

I'd sooner play my missus at left back

Holden is the ideal footballer physically. Tall, quick, athletic & boundless energy. He also has the added bonus of a very long throw.

Unfortunately when it comes to his footballing intelligence, he's as thick as pig shit.

I took what he said about Holden and Duckworth as saying that they have potential, that they put the effort in, and they have a heart, and he can improve them defensively. It wasn't slating them, it was saying that they will improve under him.

It's a bit of a shock though considering that our ex-boss was an England international full-back and a well-respected coach...

Reading between the lines -
Austin wasn't mentioned - meaning that he does know how to defend, but he just can't / doesn't do it anymore.
Collins is a coach and has been coaching them all season - meaning that he doesn't rate his coaching ability, wouldn't be suprised to see him leave in the summer. (Strange that Moore was crying out for someone with a heart as "big as Sam's" in the team, but he didn't actually play Sam.)
Talking about moving to wingbacks means he doesn't have confidence in the wingers.

Looking at the squad at the moment, I would expect that the list of players available that he's sent out would be Austin, Parnaby (even though injured), Compton and a bunch of the kids. I don't think we can afford to lose anyone else from such a tiny squad.

In the summer, i'd chase everyone but Flinders, Walker, Fenwick and Duckworth. They are the only 4 with the ability / potential to succeed, but would put Walker out on loan at Darlo to give him a vision of where he is going to end up if he doesn't sort himself out, and give Fenwick a full pre season to see what he can do when he's at Football league levels of fitness.

If you had 3 decent players at the back you could compensate for Holdens lack of positional sense/forages up front, in fact in a good side it may sometimes bear fruit. He is a cross between Matty Robson and Ian Clark, both of whom weren't great players but who played in better teams. In this team where there is only one good defender ( Harrison) there shouldn't be room for Holden at the moment. But in the absence of a replacement we are stuck with him.

One of the only potential successes from this season could be Dan Jones, he's done well since he moved to centre back he wins a lot in the air (in both boxes) and competes physically well for a kid, he struggled at left back so it's good he's got a chance to play in his proper position. I can never understand managers throwing kids into the team out of position, it's hard enough making your way at this level without that.

Moore has already said, amongst the praise, that he'd drop Jones if he was able to bring in a more experienced defender. There's one or two I'd drop before him personally

Amongst all the negative vibes, the form of Jones has been impressive. Hope he can keep it up and fans start to notice his good performances rather than every other players bad ones. Cant be easy coming into a struggling side and playing half decent.

He's also praised Jones performances.

Ideally we would sign an experienced commanding partner for Harrison as that is what the situation requires, it doesn't mean the lad hasn't done well.

Read what I said again!

You said there's one or two you'd drop before him, his position only has two places and you'd have to pick Harrison before him.

Any formation doesn't really matter if the players aren't up to it. A 0-0 draw is the best I can foresee tomorrow

you do seem like a bell end

For some of you who claim to know people at the club, you don't know very much. Sam Collins May no longer play professional football.... Think about it. As for formation who are the 3 Center backs that have played recently. Tbh I thought Bates and Jones did well together; Bates using his experience, and he actually put more effort in and Jones using his fitness and willingness to impress. I know he got slated at left back but he's always been a center half so surely that is another look to the previous manager. I'm a big fan of Scott Harrison too worked well with Jones last game and he loves the club. I called the move to holding mid for Bates. Which we have been missing since the departure of Walton..... Big mistake in my view letting go that type of player. Another look to the previous.

I'm just worried at a 3 5 2, what impact will it have on defenders with little experience. I hope they carry on performing well but this will test their defensive discipline. Especially with the arrival of the young Liverpool lads to the opposition.

And to clarify Moore said he would play any player on merits in any position, not that he would drop any player just because of experience. It's who's performing better.

One or two in the team not his position.

That doesn't make sense


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But think about it anyway

I didn't think I would have to spell it out. Ever considered he's retired?

This

It just didn't really have much to do with your previous point. And as it was in the same paragraph I assumed it followed on.

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Hasn't Dan Jones played lb all through the youths n reserves?




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MadJohn will probably better to speak on this than me but I'm sure he's centre back who has played left back.

Add Jones and Woods to that, and sign Harrison and Tshibola. All superb today.