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Sign or not?
Yes 54%  54%  [ 55 ]
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No. Never.

And suffer a town full of chavs buying a shirt and proudly sticking his name on the back.

I want no part of it.

This town gets ridiculed enough already.

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NO NEVER..and if ched evans is signed i would urge all supporters of hartlepool united to protest loudly at the thought of a convicted rapist being signed
and would also urge fans to boycott the clubs matches and hit them where it hurts at the turnstiles so they cannot pay a criminal rapist his obscene wages.
evans is still on tag and has only served half his sentence so he is still effectively in prison serving time for a crime.
and what kind of message does this send out to women and children that you can rape someone and go back to your job just because he,s a professional footballer.
it smacks of one law for them one law for us.
i think hartlepool united would rather be a non league club
with morals than a L2 club with no morals
we would not tolerate him at old trafford i hope the hufc fans make the right decision and other club fans comment on here this is when supporters need to unite
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NO NEVER..and if ched evans is signed i would urge all supporters of hartlepool united to protest loudly at the thought of a convicted rapist being signed
and would also urge fans to boycott the clubs matches and hit them where it hurts at the turnstiles so they cannot pay a criminal rapist his obscene wages.
evans is still on tag and has only served half his sentence so he is still effectively in prison serving time for a crime.
and what kind of message does this send out to women and children that you can rape someone and go back to your job just because he,s a professional footballer.
it smacks of one law for them one law for us.
i think hartlepool united would rather be a non league club
with morals than a L2 club with no morals
we would not tolerate him at old trafford i hope the hufc fans make the right decision and other club fans comment on here this is when supporters need to unite
manchester united supporter


http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-n ... oom-547230

Aye, you'd never sign a player that got themselves into that kind of situation, would you?


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AA grumpy wrote:
i think hartlepool united would rather be a non league club
with morals than a L2 club with no morals


easy to you for say when you where lucky enough to be born in Manchester


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Though the likelyhood of him / her being from anywhere near Manchester, is slim at best.

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AA grumpy wrote:
NO NEVER..and if ched evans is signed i would urge all supporters of hartlepool united to protest loudly at the thought of a convicted rapist being signed
and would also urge fans to boycott the clubs matches and hit them where it hurts at the turnstiles so they cannot pay a criminal rapist his obscene wages.
evans is still on tag and has only served half his sentence so he is still effectively in prison serving time for a crime.
and what kind of message does this send out to women and children that you can rape someone and go back to your job just because he,s a professional footballer.
it smacks of one law for them one law for us.
i think hartlepool united would rather be a non league club
with morals than a L2 club with no morals
we would not tolerate him at old trafford i hope the hufc fans make the right decision and other club fans comment on here this is when supporters need to unite
manchester united supporter


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Aye, you'd never sign a player that got themselves into that kind of situation, would you?


Did he get found guilty???? :?:


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is that your typical football thug answer judging my your picture its thug element that give the sport its bad name.
no wonder dads wont take their children
but i still ask would you rather be a non league with morals or a L2
that signs a rapist the fans will be split but it could cost hufc half their crowd capacity
and im not from manchester either


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MutleyRules wrote:
yloop wrote:
AA grumpy wrote:
NO NEVER..and if ched evans is signed i would urge all supporters of hartlepool united to protest loudly at the thought of a convicted rapist being signed
and would also urge fans to boycott the clubs matches and hit them where it hurts at the turnstiles so they cannot pay a criminal rapist his obscene wages.
evans is still on tag and has only served half his sentence so he is still effectively in prison serving time for a crime.
and what kind of message does this send out to women and children that you can rape someone and go back to your job just because he,s a professional footballer.
it smacks of one law for them one law for us.
i think hartlepool united would rather be a non league club
with morals than a L2 club with no morals
we would not tolerate him at old trafford i hope the hufc fans make the right decision and other club fans comment on here this is when supporters need to unite
manchester united supporter


http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-n ... oom-547230

Aye, you'd never sign a player that got themselves into that kind of situation, would you?


Did he get found guilty???? :?:


yes by a crown court jury and sentenced by a crown court judge


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 Post subject: Re: Ched Evans - a Simple Poll
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I think he meant the Mirror link rather than Evans.


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 Post subject: Re: Ched Evans - a Simple Poll
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AA grumpy wrote:
MutleyRules wrote:
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Aye, you'd never sign a player that got themselves into that kind of situation, would you?


Did he get found guilty???? :?:


yes by a crown court jury and sentenced by a crown court judge


He's on about Van Persie, his case got dismissed. I was just having a bit of a go because you're a fan coming onto our board and frankly I think we've got enough problems.

Our name is now dirt across the football and non football world because of a comment by our manager. I'd love a player as good as Evans and before I'd looked into everything and realised the uproar I'd have said yes sign him.

There's no way we can even think of going through with this, as nice as it would be to have a 30+ goal striker the cost of that on both a moral and public relations level would be way too much.

If he wins his appeal then yes, however I think there'd be much bigger clubs in for him should that happen.


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Aye it's a non-starter for me. Whether it would be justified or not our reputation would be dragged through the dirt. Not worth it.


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Aye it's a non-starter for me. Whether it would be justified or not our reputation would be dragged through the dirt. Not worth it.


its not just your supporters wherever hufc went they wouldnt attract the gates as home/away supporters
would also boycott the match.
im not having a go but your hufc supporters have to decide wether its right or wrong and let the management
know your feelings without fighting amongst yourselves
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Let us do that then and kindly leave us alone. You've said your piece despite it having nothing to do with you.


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AA grumpy wrote:
NO NEVER..and if ched evans is signed i would urge all supporters of hartlepool united to protest loudly at the thought of a convicted rapist being signed
and would also urge fans to boycott the clubs matches and hit them where it hurts at the turnstiles so they cannot pay a criminal rapist his obscene wages.
evans is still on tag and has only served half his sentence so he is still effectively in prison serving time for a crime.
and what kind of message does this send out to women and children that you can rape someone and go back to your job just because he,s a professional footballer.
it smacks of one law for them one law for us.
i think hartlepool united would rather be a non league club
with morals than a L2 club with no morals
we would not tolerate him at old trafford i hope the hufc fans make the right decision and other club fans comment on here this is when supporters need to unite
manchester united supporter




Oh and he isn't on tag. If you had a brain instead of being a bandwagon jumping moron with a ooo look follow the twitter crowd hat on you would understand why he isn't on a tag.

Telling someone he can't go back to work after his sentence smacks of one law for everyone but this particular footballer. I love how people show themselves to be so dumb when it comes to things like this.


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AA grumpy wrote:
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Aye it's a non-starter for me. Whether it would be justified or not our reputation would be dragged through the dirt. Not worth it.


its not just your supporters wherever hufc went they wouldnt attract the gates as home/away supporters
would also boycott the match.
im not having a go but your hufc supporters have to decide wether its right or wrong and let the management
know your feelings without fighting amongst yourselves
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Other teams fans simply would not boycott games because Evans was playing against them. That's just silly talk!


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What would motivate a Man united fan to join a pools message board other than some sad media led sheep mentality?


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What would motivate a Man united fan to join a pools message board other than some sad media led sheep mentality?


ok i,ve said my peace on your own head be it
i cant seem to get a sensible conversation from football anyway and by the way i like mufc although i,ve never been to old traff.
but dont forget you,re only a stones throw from bankrupcy what your management decide will shape your future take a leaf out of sheff united book or victoria park could become victoria housing estate
but manchester united jokes aside and to be honest i prefer horse racing my aim on here was to encourage the supporters to turn their back on ched evans as he would damage the clubs reputation and its morally wrong not just to the older fans but younger fans who look up to the players to have a convicted rapist stepping out for hufc on a saturday afternoon.
remember lester piggott was jailed for tax evasion and he
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AA grumpy wrote:
NO NEVER..and if ched evans is signed i would urge all supporters of hartlepool united to protest loudly at the thought of a convicted rapist being signed
and would also urge fans to boycott the clubs matches and hit them where it hurts at the turnstiles so they cannot pay a criminal rapist his obscene wages.
evans is still on tag and has only served half his sentence so he is still effectively in prison serving time for a crime.
and what kind of message does this send out to women and children that you can rape someone and go back to your job just because he,s a professional footballer.
it smacks of one law for them one law for us.
i think hartlepool united would rather be a non league club
with morals than a L2 club with no morals
we would not tolerate him at old trafford i hope the hufc fans make the right decision and other club fans comment on here this is when supporters need to unite
manchester united supporter[/quote



Oh and he isn't on tag. If you had a brain instead of being a bandwagon jumping moron with a ooo look follow the twitter crowd hat on you would understand why he isn't on a tag.

Telling someone he can't go back to work after his sentence smacks of one law for everyone but this particular footballer. I love how people show themselves to be so dumb when it comes to things like this.

Spot on clappp clappp clappp its all getting a bit stupid now! Let him try to make a wage by doing his job simple really :roll: And the new owners and manager must make sure we survive and this lad will get the goals that are needed to avoid relegation. :wink:

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AA grumpy wrote:
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What would motivate a Man united fan to join a pools message board other than some sad media led sheep mentality?


ok i,ve said my peace on your own head be it
i cant seem to get a sensible conversation from football anyway and by the way i like mufc although i,ve never been to old traff.
but dont forget you,re only a stones throw from bankrupcy what your management decide will shape your future take a leaf out of sheff united book or victoria park could become victoria housing estate
but manchester united jokes aside and to be honest i prefer horse racing my aim on here was to encourage the supporters to turn their back on ched evans as he would damage the clubs reputation and its morally wrong not just to the older fans but younger fans who look up to the players to have a convicted rapist stepping out for hufc on a saturday afternoon.
remember lester piggott was jailed for tax evasion and he
never rode again evans should face the same


NOT INTERESTED GO AWAY AND STAY AWAY rakxe rakxe rakxe

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I wouldn`t want the name Chedwyn on the back of my shirt, however based on that report, I would sign him.


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Ah, its the slightly famous Mr Mnokeybutt. Star of the Daily Mirror, Guardian, Daily Mail and a plethora of other papers who take in the same wires.


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Ah, its the slightly famous Mr Mnokeybutt. Star of the Daily Mirror, Guardian, Daily Mail and a plethora of other papers who take in the same wires.


I was thinking of changing my name to Mnokeybutt to deflect some of the attention!


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Lets just take the moral high ground and tumble into the conference and maybe out of existence.

Its a yes from me.

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Because he is the only footballer out there that can save us?

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I'm amazed how many people feel the need to jump on-board the outrage bus regarding this issue. What he did wasn't something to be proud of, regardless whether it was rape or consensual. There is no doubt he was a silly boy, who made a big mistake and error of judgement that cost him his liberty, reputation and footballing career.

He has been judged to have done the crime and he has done the time, whilst still protesting his innocence, although his stupidity is not in question.

He should as the criminal justice system permits be allowed to re-enter society as a rehabilitated offender.

I don't care too much either way where he goes next, but it really is time to stop this piousness on the issue.

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So a 50/50 vote would leave us with a crowd of 2,000, if the outraged group stick to there guns and stay behind the couch, Dibble better get a bigger house and get his arse round to DFS!


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Ask yourself a simple question if he was a binman would this still be rampaging on?

Evans chosen career is a Footballer he's served his time and "debt" to society and should be allowed to continue his life.

The morals of all the participants are debatable in this case .

Trial by media is not a legitimate option in this country as far as I'm aware.

As for another scenario.. If in this appeal he's found to be innocent and he's contracted to pools we could be onto our biggest payday ever....

He's hardly going to have massive wages people rant on about a pools is he? ..

Finally as for being a "role model" I don't think there are many Div IV footballers who can say they are that realistically..

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No. Cheb, not needed at our club. If the new owners want us out if our current position, convicted rapists are not the only option. A situation that will, and is, splitting opinions. I'm only glad that we have such an icon of sense and reasonableness as the erudite Mr Monketbutt to speak for us all in the nations press.


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Think the argument is irrelevant , no footballer previously earning £1000's a week will come to pools fit £500 a week.
If it gets to the stage he is seriously talking about signing for us another club will step in.
All this discussion is a waste of time


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Ask yourself a simple question if he was a binman would this still be rampaging on?

Evans chosen career is a Footballer he's served his time and "debt" to society and should be allowed to continue his life.

The morals of all the participants are debatable in this case .

Trial by media is not a legitimate option in this country as far as I'm aware.

As for another scenario.. If in this appeal he's found to be innocent and he's contracted to pools we could be onto our biggest payday ever....

He's hardly going to have massive wages people rant on about a pools is he? ..

Finally as for being a "role model" I don't think there are many Div IV footballers who can say they are that realistically..


I think that you're being far too rational and sensible here. Get on that outrage bus and be angry.


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As offshore says he's done his time and should his retrial overturn his guilty conviction, pools will be in a great position.

Evans could play out of his skin to prove a point. He'd maybe want to stay with pools for a bit or sign a decent contract so that we get a nice pay packet as a thank you. If Ronnie Moore gives him the chance he'll play for the manager too. His heart will be on the sleeve to prove a point.

Yes there will be a shot storm at first, but once we start to climb to safety tomorrows news will be Tuesdays chip wrappers.

Supporters saying they'll stay away, well maybe they will until we're firing on all cylinders and they'll soon come back through the turnstiles.

As has been said, there are many players served time for crimes they've committed - one back to pools - admittedly rape is as serious as it gets, but he's done the crime and served the time.


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I don't want to labour the point about Bob Newton but he was given almost universal support from the supporters when he came out. A bloke died because he drove a car pissed but no one seemed to mind. Admittedly it was in a very different era but Dave Wiggett still lay dead.

I don't remember a single word of anti-Newton feeling in fact there was a full scale riot when Darlo fans had a pop at him during a the Derby game.

Like I said, a different era but Hartlepool United don't have a monopoly on the moral high ground.


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That was over 30 years ago....and I'm not making excuses for him!!!!
But one question for you....when you went to Argentina did you go off it with every one you met about them invading the Falklands and killing British soldiers???? :?:


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Not once. It was a thoroughly interesting, pleasant and cathartic experience.

In that post I tried not to judgemental about Newton, I was commenting on the fanbase rather than the man himself.


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Just based on the uproar alone I would have to say no. I really think that it will stop the owners making much needed inroads with the fans before they have even properly began, and the longer term risk to the club in terms of losing support, sponsorship and therefore revenue can't be gambled.

I actually think that Ronnie's comments were a bit of testing the water as well, see how much uproar there is before deciding, so I have a feeling a comment from the club withdrawing the offer may come tomorrow.

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No, and I will stay away from Pools if he signs.


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Spot on again Chip!!!! clappp


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Would people cheer if he scored or even when his name is read out before kick off?

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Some of this " outrage bus " crack is a complete fucking embarrassment.

Rather than jumping on an outrage bus, I'm merely refusing to support a rapist.

I think you need to revisit your ridiculous comment from last night Mark.

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And what happens if he's cleared ?..

Look he's been punished he deserves a second chance.

Or does everyone who's committed a crime deserve hanging..

TBH chip I would've put MrI in the hang em and flog em brigade before you..

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Chip Fireball wrote:
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Would people cheer if he scored or even when his name is read out before kick off?


Of course they would. A lot of people genuinely believe that because someone is good at kicking a ball about, that makes anything they do off the field acceptable.

The irony here is that some of the people saying the bloke has a right to go back into his job, are exactly the same ones normally saying normal criminals should be strung up, or locked up and the key thrown away.

As for anyone who thinks a major company would invest in a club that hires a rapist...are these people brain dead ? No shirt sponsor is going to want to see their brand splashed across the front pages of all the national newspapers being worn by a rapist. And that's what will happen the very first time he plays for us, it will be on all the front pages.


Give it 6 months and they won't care.

You mentioned your daughters lots, if Ched was your son would you sport him in getting back to football?


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I am having serious difficulty reconciling how important it is to be in the football league versus what is morally the right thing to do here....I was quite prepared for the club to go non league if it meant getting rid of IOR, and I feel the same about this

I read a post by the lad called And on another thread called "Making the right Noises" - he makes a very interesting point indeed

If the supporters turn their back on HUFC in large enough numbers, it could have the effect of the club's demise not being of any great magnitude as it might have been - as many fans became alienated to the club to a large degree... possibly even leaving the way open for redevelopment of the area... anyway the cynic inside me can see why the signing of Evans could eventually generate such a situation

Cos let's face it the signing of one player isn't going to keep Pools in the league anyway is it?

It is clear to me - DO NOT SIGN THIS BLOKE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, for so many reasons

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At the end of the day. We do not make the laws of this country.

I'd have made him serve 10 years minimum, but he didn't, end of story.

And you can't start dictating which criminals can and can't play football.

It's time to move on. He will be here for one season and sold.

After the first club have signed him, all will be forgotten.

Sign him, I couldn't give a fuck what irrelevant and ignorant perceptions people have of the town because of it.


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I wonder what the players all think of this. It's hard for some people to work with people who have wronged them in a much lesser way. Working alongside shirkers, thieves, cheats and liars can be difficult enough but working with a convicted rapist (and until such a time he manages to clear his name he will remain so) would be a major major challenge. I took my time over this, read trial reports and his defence on his website and still can't decide if I was a juror which way I would have went, all depends on the additional detail in the court that will always be conveniently left off net. But he was judged and sentenced and now is being judged all over again. Should he apologise if he thinks he is innocent? Not normally a trend of people who believe they are right. For me my opinion is that he should have waited to see if he could have cleared his name before looking to play football again. In a profession that is exposed so much by the press, he's fair game for all the stick. We know the names of all criminals who played the game when released. Would he be getting thought of differently if he was remorseful. Still don't understand how the other lad got off of judge reckoned lass was beyond decision making.

I would like a player of his calibre at the club, but not one with his track record. I think people should be given a second chance, but time is not right for this person at this club. Lots of questions still to be asked.

As I said earlier will split opinion and it certainly has. Alas the's a lot of bad shit flying around, worse than norm, from people who should know better.

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Breaking news on sky pools have backed off he will not be coming to Hartlepool


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Now on th OS


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