http://m.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/loca ... -1-7000209

Well not really...

Textbook answers by the club and shoving the blame on everyone but themselves... Wankers!

As I expected, just a rehash of old programme notes.

Blaming FFP/SCMP and the Council as usual and the standard threat of them pursuing the ground sale regardless of what division we're in.

They just need to go now, it's getting beyond ridiculous.

Also, we're as good as down if we're still going to focus on free agents in January. We need to spend.

500k for James? Bloody hell!

We've let 2 shit hot young kids go for peanuts.




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Reading those answers has just pissed me off even more about the club.

Snap!!!!

How can Accrington be above us in the league on lower gates then ken? FFP or whatever the shit its called must be pulling there hair out. Does not compute, small gates, does not compute, FFP... HEAD EXPLODES!!!

Every answer is bollox, he's like a politician.

Load of bullshit.. One thing said that the buck stops with the chairman.. At least we know who to blame when were in the conference.. As for the solution of picking up "frees" don't make me laugh.

It's our own fault pools charged £20 for the Blyth game because they didn't know if we'd turn up. So by making it £20 they made sure loads wouldn't turn up!

You couldn't make it up!

He quotes them 3 frigging rules again like he's in bastard irobot, he's failed them all!

its the fans fault for not buying a £20 ticket, yet in previous answers say that the chairman accepted offers that would only generate 2 payments that could be utilised 1 for baldwin and one for james. the rest is going where? O yeah Kens sky rocket

Well, having read that, I asked myself two questions.
1. Have I learnt anything I didn't already know?
2. Am I more or less confident in Pools future under this regime?
My answers are 1. NO and 2. LESS CONFIDENT.
GET THEM OUT.

I will concede that they are at least willing to answer questions at last, at least proving they are a bit rattled at the current mood of the fans.
However they still have the superior attitude they have always had. They concede that the blame stops at the chairman yet sack underlings for failing. Based on that philosophy when are they going to replace the failures at the top. When is Hodcroft going to accept that the biggest failure is himself.

What KH fails to understand, or pretends to fail to understand, is that the Council haven't as he says failed to 'recognise the importance of IOR owning the ground'. Nor are the Council 'failing to support the Club over the sale of the Vic' . Nor are the Council procrastinating.

The fact is they've considered the matter and aren't willing to sell on KH's terms. In other words, they have said ,"No". It is very simple. There is no "importance" to IOR's owning the land, to anyone else but IOR.

"No", Ken. Do you understand that word? It is a very simple, frequently used, item of the English language. It is not a procrastinated "yes".

You have said that if the Council refuse to sell on your terms, IOR will go. They have refused to sell on your terms, so stop "procrastinating" and go. You "fail to understand the importance" to us that you vanish immediately
and preferably are never heard of in Hartlepool again.

When did a company operating in the oil industry become such wimps in contract negotiation? Bigger boys came and wouldn't let us negotiate different terms? If the terms weren't right James and Baldwin should not have been sold. They were under contract to HUFC.

Exactly splod.

Ken was more than happy to take billingham town out of business for the sake of 10 grand a few years ago, yet when it comes To selling a player he turns into mary bloody poppins.

We didn't have to sell James, so stand your ground.


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I thought the price of OIL going down would be one of his excuses.
Well 3 years ago the price of oil was double the value of what it is now and there was no investment so just another shite excuse.

The only good thing to come out of those answers is to get the protests speeded up.

To the fans who thought money would be spent theres your answers.

We all need to be UNITED against ior for the future of our club.
Do nothing and before u no it we will be spiralling down the football pyramid.

To the few ior lovers still around i tell u to FUCK OFF now i cant be arsed to explain my reasons anymore why we need IOR OUT.

The same vomit inducing answers as always, absolutely 0 responsibility taken by anybody in the club for what we're suffering through, if he thought this would shut the fans up he has got it horribly wrong. Time to go you snivelling Geordie shitbag.

Who was it on here stating that the £20 cost for the Blyth tickets will have been set by Blyth???

ken wanted it to be £25 gibson, no lie.

His contempt n arrogance towards us reaches new levels, his tone in those answers is disgraceful, why talk to us all like that?

Absolute disgrace. GET OUT OF MY CLUB HODCROFT.

He catches himself out in Q5

Claims the rules state we have to count the income in the year of the transfer but we got it over 18 months for Baldwin
He then says the same about James ie allowed to spend 500k but only received 100k, BUT does not mention that the delayed Baldwin payments are coming in this season.

So we do have more than 100k coming in, he is claiming what restricts us is the combination of the rules and when we get the cash in, but basic Maths seems to contradict this

I like the comment about pursuing 95% of targets. May well be the case but it doesn't really count if they only offer peanut wages

The bloke is like a robot , no sign of all pulling together, also Russ Green has a fucking great job with zero responsibility it seems

In regards to the 500,000 he received for Baldwin, where he says the payments only counted towards that season blah blah blah..

What's stopping Ken putting the money in as a further sponsorship. I.e. come January 2015 when we receive another 100,000 from Peterborough, he takes it out, then puts it back in and sponsors the strip for more money?

I'm no accountant, so might not be possible, but it sounds very easy if it is possible.

On top of that - he could surely use the money from the Baldwin sale to act as the money that we received for James. i.e. he will have received 300,000 from Baldwin by the time January 2015 comes around. Although the money from James has not been received, this counts towards this seasons FFP - therefore he has 300,000 from Baldwin, plus 100,000 from James in January 2015, and FFP says we can spend 500,000 this season?

Fuck off Hodcroft

Exactly, surely nothing stopping IOR sponsoring a board or whatever for a decent fee then reclaim that money back when the installments started coming in.

Two questions.

Is anyone surprised or shocked here?

And

Anyone still think it was worth having that meeting and concluding that we should give the club a chance to answer?

More questions than answers.

So once they have ownership of the ground they will kick on an invest in the ground?

Are they just going to let things drift until they get ownership?

It's the chairman's responsibility, so why does he blame everyone else?

Why aren't they getting more sponsorship money from within DNO/IOR/DOVE ENERGY to pay for an improved playing staff.

How does relying on free agents get you out of a relegation fight? If they were good enough they'd not be free agents.

How does blaming the hard core of fans who have stuck with club since the glory days help? Weren't IOR effected by the 2008 financial crisis?

If fixing low season ticket prices hasn't helped the club financially why do they continue to do it?

What does the club spend their money on other than the playing side? What are KH and RG paid?

Ultimately put your money where your mouth is and cough up the money to buy the ground and let's see the transformation to the playing squad and facilities which is going to attract 2-3000 more fans per game.

If Accrington can do it with a crap ground and no fans then why can't Pools.

The sad thing about this is half the fans will believe him, a few on here spring to mind.

Exactly he seems to be claiming the Baldwin money is non-fungible

Using his logic it Peterbro paid us 100million for Baldwin but only 100k up front, then that 100mil would have to stay in our account and we'd never be allowed to use it !

On another note I just needed 'VAT' to be mentioned for a full house on Hodcroft bingo !

Next week at pools me n my friends are taking a bottle of jager n shot glasses, we are going to play the hodcroft shot game, for every mention in the programme of FFP, council, fans and police we are to all have a drink.

I have a feeling we'll be very drunk

I,m sure the james fee was 900k plus add ons.
someone must be able to trace it back on the peterboro side

We balanced views now. You have to hear both sides.

So where are GeoffN, FetishB, and Jonathon from ITB?

I think the best possible outcome was that the question-asking would create a 'give the man enough rope and he'll hang himself' situation. And it worked. There's no plausibility at all in any of Hodcroft's answers.

He's now exposed as a man without a leg to stand on, with his reputation (if there was any of it left, anywhere) in tatters. How long will he want to stay in charge of HUFC, if the publicity is kept up?

Why the F*%! bring me into it. I'm as pissed off as the next man, and more so than you as I watch more of the crap on the pitch than you do. I'm on no-ones side i simply give an alternative viewpoint. And until answers are forth-coming from those who want action then I'll stay on the fence. I'll call Chip a liar as he stated I didn't want meeting and said I wouldn't go, made up by him on both accounts in fact he actually stated I'd want the meeting with an agenda and minutes. He's had long enough to find the posts and put them back on here.Which he hasn't.

If you wanted a meeting so much why did you turn up pissed?


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Anyone sitting on the fence now wants shooting right between the eyes.

The main priority for now is that THEY choose an experienced manager, give him funds in January, and hopefully we can climb the table !!!!!
Sod the ground & do we want IOR as owners for now. Whether we stay up/go down, it has been a horrific season hasn't it, but hopefully IOR can buy the ground and invest PROPERLY in our club (if that's what's stopping them), or sell Hartlepool FC if not. It's not rocket science is it, surely if you are the owners, you want what's best for your club (yeah even Venkys @ Blackburn). Any club can make 'bad decisions' but unfortunately theirs seem down to 'penny pinching'. If we get relegated, then IOR should put us up for sale, but how much genuine intererest there really be ? (at the price they'd be asking).

You'd be surprised


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They way I read it is "give us the ground or we will run the club into the ground".

You then have to ask yourself do you trust owners who would do that to even have the ground and hopefully the only answer you come up with is never in a million years.

IOR must be driven out as unless they get the ground for nothing they don't care what happens to the club, and even if they get the ground do you really trust them? I certainly don't!


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Utterly predictable stuff but my favourite part was about the Blyth tickets!! They had to charge us £20 because they'd have had to charge the Blyth massive (who had to send some of the 1,200 tickets they got back) the same.

That is utter Horseshit. 100% fibbing or cluelessness.

I'm fairly sure that the rules dictate that you can't charge more for an away fan for an equivelant ticket. Around 4,000 spaces are available standing at the Vic, all for home supporters. A reduction might have taken someone available at the club with a brain cell to implement that though.

How the fuck has a seating and standing ticket price ended up the same?

Its took a long time but were now all on the same page. Fighting amongst ourselves won't solve anything. There is now only 1 fight and that is to save our club. We must do this as 1, no egos or personality clashes just join as a whole and prove what was said on the shirt

THE TOWNS CLUB

Fuck ken hodcroft and ior, they have finally proved that they are in this for themselves. Those answers are what iv been waiting to read for some time now. We finally have the proof, now we have to act and get these out.

Nobody can foresee the future, this could go completely tits up but at least well go down fighting. If we end up like darlo then so be it. At least well have the derby games again. If ld rather look forward to those than what's coming.

Ior cannot get the ground, that's pivotal in this fight. They would then own everything and could completely kill us off. We cannot let this happen. The council were obviously onto these long before us.

Clouded judgements and blinkers seem to be gone now and most are now completely against ior. The good times are a distant memory and only the future is there to be discussed. Still have no confirmation innate protest group bit hopefully there's no personal disputes between fans on there. We have to put that to 1 side and take them head on as 1. Between us all and hopefully that's fans in the hundreds we can drive these bastards away. As i say like everyone else our actual destiny is a mystery to me but I want to at least try and stay in the football league and if we are to go out, do it with a fight.

If the town didnt have a football club what would it mean to thousands of people. All we would have is memories. Imagine Saturdays with no club to support ever again. Hopefully that thought will run deep through everyone and we don't let it happen

IOR OUT

Why does Dibble seem to be obsessed with me? Just because I give a different viewpoint with regard to how things could change doesn't mean I am happy with the way things are going, far from it. Every weekend at the moment I am having my Saturday nights ruined by Pool.
You seem obsessed - oh yes, just remembered those shares. Wonder what todays value is!!!!!!

“The Luke James money is treated exactly the same for SCMP purposes, i.e. all income in season 2014-15 and we can spend £500,000 – the problem is, we only get £200,000 cash this season (£100,000 last August and £100,000 in January 2015), the other £300,000 will not materialise until season 2015-16 but the Football League will not treat it as income in that season, so if HUFC are at, or near to, the SCMP limit it can’t be spent on players.”

All very convenient if you ask me. So when are they allowed to spend the money?

I know a fair bit about the Baldwin and James transfers all of which the board come out of it as not knowing there arse from their elbow and alledgedally giving promises they didn't keep. Not like they ever did that to managers they employed! I knew about the transfers a month before they happened and I have nowt to do with club or indeed football so his excuses on that are horse shit

Who is this director on accounts that no one knows about or has met???

isn't he a solicitor from Aberdeen.

We all know where the money's going, and it sounds like IOR need it from what I've read of their situation at the minute. The only question that the club answered was "is the club going bust so the parent company can claim back some of the loans" and it was a clear yes... All of this over a fucking ground sale.