Baldwin rumoured to be target of a bid.

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/chairman-reveals-2-million-bid-for-a-posh-player-1-6061747
Peterborough Evening Telegraph

Anyone still think we got a good deal?

Looking at MacAnthony's twitter he all but confirms it was Baldwin in one of the conversations.

I think MacAnthony likes the sound of his own trumpet. I see he decided not to disclose how much he received from Boro for Lee Tomlin.

It was almost criminal what we got for Baldwin. Fuckin redic


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Yeah chairman that communicate with fans totally suck! I prefer kens silent approach


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Posh are in a much better situation to demand a higher fee. For one he's more settled and other clubs know the posh chairman isn't skint and won't bite at the first bid.

Baldwin was shite against Orient in the playoffs though so whoever it was can't have been watching him then.

All their fans are raving about his performance in the play offs on Twitter, said he had his best game.

That must have been in the away leg then. I watched him in the home leg and he got turned inside out.

Any hint of Pools getting any sort of sell-on fee?

He looked shaky in the first leg but second leg he was very good


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I believe we do have a clause in, probs a Tenner


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goes to show how much of a stigma is still attached to being a Hartlepool player

If Adam Boyd had played for Tranmere and not Pools, does anyone think he would still have been sold for only half a million?

Or the football world knows we're a selling club so will make shite offers?

He's been moaning about lack of support from his own fans this season and saying how shit league 1 is. If Posh don't get promoted next year I reckon he'll be off.
A lot of fans also complaining about having to pay 25 quid at the gate.....

other teams usually negotiate about 20-30%.

that is "other" teams, however.

What was Jack Baldwin's contract situation with Pools if he had say 18 months how much were we really going to get ?

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I think Darren MacAnthony revealed the Baldwin fee because he knew he had got a bargain. Of course Hodcroft was pissed off because he likes to keep thd fans in ghd dark and was embarrassed at the low fee we received for one of the best players in the lower leagues. One million plus add ons would have been a more realistic fee.

I'm sure any sell on fee won't be allowed to be spent anyway.

It's FFP you see.

Ken will make sure he's sold on August 31st so any sell on money can't be spend


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Well I heard Liverpool are club and will get him.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for ... 63877.html

They are so confident about him coming that they have already named a street after him.

My sauce told me.....

Liverpool and West Ham are interested. The bid is £2n but they'll probs get £4m-£5m but that doesn't mean we sold him cheap.

He had 6 months left on his contract (with an option year)

He was on about £400 a week.

Pools sell on is 25% of anything above the £500k

If they'd kept him for his option year and lost him for free the tribunal is based on:

Division of both clubs - league two to league one. (Maybe champ if another club came in)

International recognition - none to date and definitely none when if was still at Pools.

Offer of contract to stay at Pools beyond option year - Probs wouldn't have been more than a grand a week for 2 + 1 years.

Means they'd have only got about £200k for him. The business they did was good.

The only reason prem clubs are now looking is Peterborough (and other London clubs) give him that platform to show what he can do.

He wouldn't have played a televised play-off semi for us.

Norwich didn't buy Ryan Bennett from Grimsby.

Palace didn't buy Dwight Gayle from Dagenham

And Hull Didn't buy George Boyd from non-league.

They wait for Peterborough or a similar club to take the gamble.

Peterborough's was the only offer Pools got so Russ did a good deal for the club.

If he goes for the minimum £2m we get another £375k

But could be anything more than that.

That's a terrible post why not conform with the flow of the thread and have a daft snipe at Pools or Ken.

Sussex got banned for such hijacking.

A 21 year old with a year left on his contract could have still been sold from pools to west ham or Liverpool for at least £1million.

I think we sold our selves short with Baldwin, we were too nice, £1mill minimum would have been my starting point.

We sold him at 10:30 on deadline day, we cant spend the money because of that, so I'm banging my gums for nothing, we may aswell have let him go for nowt.

Good points made by parmo and compo . Posh have a reputation for developing good young players .

If people are convinced that Ken would keep the money then surely the fee is irrelevant?

Hopefully we can somehow find a few more like Baldwin, Duckworth and dare I say Jon Cullen .....

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If we have a 25% sell on and Peterborough think they can get four or five million you think we have sold ourselves short!?

If Hartlepool United come out with £1 million total from this Baldwin deal then we'll have done very well.

If he's sold for 2.5 million and Pools get 20% of the extra 2 million then I would say that 900k is probably about right.

Like compo says you have to account for the fact that it was the only offer , Jack wanted to go, he was getting paid peanuts and his contract was running down. . ...



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He wanted to go and there where no other offers. If his contract had been left to run down as I say we would have gotten less than we did for him.

Players want to go all the time, we need to be ruthless at times n think of whats best for us. After all, Baldwin did just that, so why cant we?

Russ did what was best for us he took the best offer on the table and not left it dragging on and getting peanuts.

Good post Compo.

A player does well for a mediocre/poor league two team and is sold for £500k, perhaps a little cheap but as Compo has mentioned we risked losing him for nothing so we weren't in a strong position.

Same player does very well in a televised match in playoff game for a decent league one side, all in the same season. The lad has adaptability, an important and valuable quality. I am not sure how he has done in his other games but no doubt he will have done well in the majority.

It isn't surprising his value has gone up. I would love to see Jack do well and would love it more if he can carry on proving his ability as I am sure he could play at the higher level than League One.

What about the club that we signed Jack from? Do you think they will be angry that they didn't sell him for £2m+ in the first place? I am laffing.

I don't think you're reading what people are saying had he not gone in January we wouldn't have got anywhere near £500,000 up front offered again and risked eventually losing him for next to nothing. If we have a 25% sell on it is good business.

I see no reason why we couldn't have got just as much if not more this summer, even with a year to go and under the age of 21, he might have done what tommy miller did and signed a longer contract to protect the club.

I just think we sold ourselves short, by a good half.

Cant argue with him getting a move higher up, he's good enough, I think he'll make it to the premier easily.

Get him on the plane!

That's the point Phil, he was desperate to go, he didn't WANT to sign a contract!!!

Am I missing something here?

Was there an opportunity for Pools to host the sale of Baldwin via a dutch auction? Were that other bidders waiting?

Did Pools just take the first bid, and miss out on all the bids that were coming in?

Or did in fact, Pools sell to the only club that made a bid, who may have made it quite clear, it was take it or leave it?

Sometimes this place cracks me up.

And to think some on here called me a troll, and only post to wind people up.

No wind ups necessary here.

Phil 100% of £500k is better than 100% of nothing. This selling us short by half how do you work that out when people have been saying that the lad wanted to go, he would have ran down contract and the offer wouldnt have been there. Owing to the fact IOR dont have a pot to piss in at the moment and any team / player / agent worth his salt knows this do you recon that Posh would have offered £500k again after a year would they bollocks.

Also we have a sell on fee.

But he didn't have too, he was going to be contracted till summer 2015, and then he still couldn't go for nowt.

What would you rather have Baldwin for another year n a half or money that's just gone straight into kens sky rocket?

Dibbs, my bud, finally we're someone 'getting me'

The fact that Dibble agrees with you shows how fucking stupid your point is!

Its will be the same with Luke James

If Liverpool were watching him at Pools he wouldn't have ended up at Posh. Peterborough is a massive shop window, read Compo's initial post.

Why didn't Dagenham just sell Dwight Gayle to Palace?

Also his contract situation now is totally different to what it was at Pools. An an expiring one on £400 a week one compared to four or five year one on good money makes him less valuable.

At the end of the day Phil, if we have to sell players to keep the club running, then that's what we have to do, the good days are over. All this Shite about money going into uncle Kens pockets is cringeworthy.

As is the bollocks spouted about FFP and the reasons we'll see none of the Baldwin money.

What a load of shite.

Russ did what's best for us???

Did he fuck, we sold him at 10.58 leaving 2 minutes to replace him. We should have waited till now, let the bidders come in and from an auction.

Anyone who thinks we would have got less than 500k is either insane or an absolute moron. The same bloke is now getting bids of 2m rejected. Ffs kens n russes eyes lit up at the zeros and not a 2nd thought was given towards any fan of hartlepool united.

The deal stunk then, kens words afterwards stunk and this 2m offer is the biggest stink of all.

Of course it will and the same with walker.

Will russ be still doing what's best for us all then aswell

I agree Yloop, does it matter though? the income is going into the running of the club. Kind of how businesses are meant to work aren't they?

No what is cringeworthy is people thinking ken is a loveable uncle .. This money will stop him having to loan as much to the club.. Notice I used the word loan not give.. There's a difference ask Mr FFP

Phil, if you had a job offer to change companies for more money at a better company would you re-sign a contract at your current eomployers and risk losing the new offer just to protect your current boss or employer?

Baldwins missus was 8 months pregnant and had only 6 months left (18 with option) and Pools still hadnt spoke to him about a contract. THATS the cock up KH and Russ made, they did quite well getting the deal they did.

James will be the same he would be silly to sign the new deal offered to him when he can play at a higher level. He will reject it and activate his option year. IOR will sell in summer or loose him on a tribunal in 12months time. He's got 6 months less on his deal presently to what Baldwin had when we sold him and I recon there will be offers only around £500-600k because of this. Its all well and good CC saying it will be millions but if they dont accept the best offer on the plate they will get peanuts.