In programme tomorrow

http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/news/ ... 59945.aspx

To be honest Bob, KH will only have a 3 inch column, wording the so called details, then the rest of the page will be nonsense. RG is practically the same.

I always take it with a pinch of salt what comes out of their mouths.....

Good luck baldwin. Me thinks under pressure to make a statement. Its like secret service who gives a shit.

The above from me also!!!! ^^^^

£10 and TWO boxes of kippers!

Shrewd.

Sensible to explain how the deal is structured now. Should mean that we don't get people shouting about where the 500/750k has gone and wondering why we haven't signed Messi. I only said should mean though.

Very sensible way to structure the deal for FFP too.

We can't make big strides this season by blowing the money on a new player but will have an extra £300k + towards next season which either takes pressure off the owners purse or gives us a massive boost at a L2 promotion push.

Seems he has given us more information on the deal than most chairmen would have...

I agree Johnny I was very surprised ken has been so open.

Probably to stop people thinking we have 500k sloshing about in the bank ready to blow on players.

Tbh most deals are structured this way, Real Madrid n the top clubs never give out 50/60 mill in 1 go, the secret footballer mentions it in his book too.


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I still don't get it. Where has the half million gone, and why haven't we signed Messi?

That Burger Arson gadgie has took the lot. Now Messi will never sign

Just need to flog a couple more for a similar fee and then that's Howards pay off written off

Well according to the paper this morning, despite us not receiving the full amount this season, the FFP class us as having received the full amount this season. So we'll have nothing extra next season

How come other teams seem to flount this ffp rules and dont make a big deal about it yet we do n seem to get punished?

Because we're trying to live within our means and other clubs aren't?

IOR simply don't have the available funds they used to.

I dont mind that, i'm more than content that.

I just wanna see other clubs get proper punishments for breaking them.

Are other teams breaking them though?

so basically the money will just sit there and can't be spent next season

and takes no account of the fact that the money isn't even here until next season

and no transfer window to spend it in

fantastic .... real life monopoly money

It just shows the absolute incompetence of the people who put FFP together. I have to be careful, but to any business, the cash flow is the important thing. Ideally, it's slightly on the positive side and dead smooth.It rarely is in football, it's an eight month business and most of the the cash changes hands in the four dead months.

What Hodcrofts explanation means is exactly what is said above by Mr John. Spend it when you haven't got it and don't spend it when you have.

That article should become the whole basis of a new debate about these absurb restrictions placed on clubs and whilst FFP is well meaning it was thrown together by some first year accountancy trainee who's probably a Chelsea fan. I know Hodcroft doesn't get much appreciation, but hats off to him this time. That's what the poor fucker has to work with.

Having read Hodcrofts article can I be the first crank to say he never tells us anything?

I honestly can't think of many chairmen at any level of football telling the fans how something has been done so clearly and hats off to them for making sure Baldwin got a long contract with Peterborough.

I agree with Mr John and Mr Spender in their analysis of the Chairman's statement.
KH is very graphic in his report of the issue and the whole situation appears to be hog tieing the club should they wish to invest the money back into the playing staff ( or at least the permitted percentage).
However his statement raises a few questions.
1. Why haven't the Chairmen/Owners of lower league clubs collectively tried to sort this scenario out with the League/FA?
2. Why didn't Pools just simply say to Peterborough, sorry but any deal we do with you has to be paid up at the point of sale, because only then can we effectively use the money to replace our player and/or improve our squad?
KH could easily have pointed out that because of VAT rules and the fact that all of the income is classed as this season's, whether the money is paid in full now or not, he couldn't therefore agree to instalments and required the money now or no deal.
3.What is KH going to do about the blatant disclosure of one of the conditions of the deal by the owner of Peterborough?
4. Could it be that KH has made this statement, which in truth contradicts what he and the club normally disclose, because it's in his own interest? Does the structure of the deal allow him to put the money into the club coffers without a large proportion going on the playing staff whilst, at the same time, laying the blame for non investment of the money squarely at the door of FFP? In other words is KH playing it cute? Is he squashing any chance of the cry "where's the Baldwin money gone?" before that question even gets off the ground?

What has happened here is very unusual to say the least and I, for one, am very wary of the motivation behind this statement. At the same time I am ready to be convinced by some answers should the Chairman wish to respond.

The simple fact is he only written it to stop people asking where the money has gone.

Damned if you do & damned if you don't.

Whatever he says you'll assume he has a sinister motive or is lying which is why the club probably say as little as possible.

[quote="derwent"]I agree with Mr John and Mr Spender in their analysis of the Chairman's statement.

Well:

1. It's not negotiable, it's been imposed with little agreement.

2. They have FFP impositions as well. Paying up front would have broken those limits.

3. He can't do anything if there was nothing in the contract that specified non-disclosure, which would be very unusual.

4. Yes, in the clearest terms he could have. We only have the VAT element and 20% of the fee, but the capital amount has gone onto the FFP account, although we haven't been paid, for this season. It's not there to spend.

To be honest, he's gone public and I'd be quite surprised if there's a reaction from Peterborough or the FL that disputes anything he's said. I think it's a rare PR coup from KH, aimed at Pools fans first through the programme, and if he's taken an opportunity, more power to him.

If suddenly the club and especially KH have suddenly decided that communication of this sort is the way forward then I will sing their praises for it as I welcome it very very gladly.
I suppose time will tell if this is their Damascus moment.

To his credit, he's been very critical of the FFP rules many times. I think maybe now he's got a deal where he can actually show how it works, he's gone straight for the jugular. He just had to wait for his opportunity and I reckon he's taken it.

That's how I read it as well.

He has no obligation to tell us anything and the fact he's told us in detail proves that the club is listening and that the people who thought up FFP have a mental illness.

He's also using it as a vehicle to highlight why it is better to keep fees undisclosed and why Pools do. I think he's seriously pissed off with Darragh Macantony.

and rightly so, as per the reasons he stated......cos the fee can be used against the club - as other clubs will now think it's a stick to hit us with over loan deals, transfers etc. Also agents of prospective players who think there's a bit more cash in the pot for their player... it's the way of the world

I would want anonymity if I won the lottery, and I don't think this situation is too dissimilar

let's face it, the Peterborough chairman has only done it out of limelight seeking

that blast point will surely have been sorted after last time!!!!

*last*

If Sweeney can get on the coaching staff pay roll then fair play to him, give him a crack at it cos he's HUFC through and through. In fact I hope they are encouraging him to do something past his playing career, and he is one mush I do not begrudge giving a chance to do something else - far from it, I'd like to see him in employment at the club because he's not a bad apple and would work hard for this club

However I would be bitterly disappointed if he took up some of the playing wage budget for another year