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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:53 pm 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26058814

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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someone will snap him up, I've absolutely no doubt about that. I'd love to think we could, as our firepower would suddenly look very formidable.

I suspect budget constraints might rule us out

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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Surely it depends what the disciplinary issue was that led to his contract being terminated?

It's not the first time he's been in trouble:banned from football for 5 months for breaching betting rules when he was at Bury.


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:20 pm 
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right age, good scoring record, wants to prove himself at league level, realistically can't be on that much. you're right about the disciplinary, but don't suppose we'd ever get to the bottom of it.

agreed, he's no michael mols, but......


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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That sort of player is worth a look and the sort we could attract. In Mangans case though I think he has been binned once too many times now to be an asset to us. Seems like trouble to me, think he was one of the Accrington players involved in illegal betting on results

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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Rather use the money on a defender or midfielder!


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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I'm not sure I'd have him, the money should be used elsewhere and I don't think his goal record for the past couple of seasons is particularly good.
I'm happy with James, Harewood, Rutherford and Boagey


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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The J Dizzle wrote:
I'm not sure I'd have him, the money should be used elsewhere and I don't think his goal record for the past couple of seasons is particularly good.
I'm happy with James, Harewood, Rutherford and Boagey


tough titty, i'm buying him.


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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The J Dizzle wrote:
I'm not sure I'd have him, the money should be used elsewhere and I don't think his goal record for the past couple of seasons is particularly good.
I'm happy with James, Harewood, Rutherford and Boagey


I probably think James Poole, Jonathan Franks and Luke Williams are worth a mention over a lad who's made one sub appearance and another who's made about three sub appearances and is a central midfielder!!?


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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PJPoolie wrote:
The J Dizzle wrote:
I'm not sure I'd have him, the money should be used elsewhere and I don't think his goal record for the past couple of seasons is particularly good.
I'm happy with James, Harewood, Rutherford and Boagey


I probably think James Poole, Jonathan Franks and Luke Williams are worth a mention over a lad who's made one sub appearance and another who's made about three sub appearances and is a central midfielder!!?


I'll be honest completely forgot about them... If I'm trying to justify my poor memory I would say that I forgot about Poole because he's woeful, just runs and doesn't seem to know what to do and Franks is a 'winger', however I do much prefer Franks down the middle but with our new options I would say he doesn't stand much hope there.


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:59 am 
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I cant see boagey n rutherford being here beyond this season, cooper hasnt used them and has even stuck midfielders upfront when we were short instead of them.

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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Yubep wrote:
I cant see boagey n rutherford being here beyond this season, cooper hasnt used them and has even stuck midfielders upfront when we were short instead of them.


Yes good point. I think its strange cooper signs rodney but doesnt bring him off the bench. Brings Iin barnby and puts him straight in, putting aside favours for mates etc. There is no way a lad from man u would come to pools. Dolan didnt really want to come back. So maybe have to bring our own youth through. Not blow smoke up all loans arses. Williams is the best loan so far but again its short term. we need to shuffle the bench and develope our own longterm.


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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We started about 4 youth team products on Saturday I think that's pretty good going.

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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Wearman please use you head, why should we not put players straight in who are better than what we have?

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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I must be getting old keep repeating myself but we seem to accept that higher clubs youth are going to be better than what we have. Luke james has been a great example that hartlepool can produce. But he was given the chance and encouragement to grow. Unless we keep this going we might aswell forget the youth team. We cannot afford these startlets from Middlesbrough.


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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wearman wrote:
I must be getting old keep repeating myself but we seem to accept that higher clubs youth are going to be better than what we have. Luke james has been a great example that hartlepool can produce. But he was given the chance and encouragement to grow. Unless we keep this going we might aswell forget the youth team. We cannot afford these startlets from Middlesbrough.



It was obvious from the peopel watching the reserves/yuths etc that James and Walker etc were going to be a bit special and will obviously get there chance in the first team. Are you suggesting we give every youth team player a run in the first team to see if he can make it? Good on paper but we are here to get points and get promoted not drop to Darlos league?

If we can get special players like Williams and Barmby in then of course we are going to play them. Football is about winning matches whether we can keep the players forever or not.

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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wearman wrote:
I must be getting old keep repeating myself but we seem to accept that higher clubs youth are going to be better than what we have. Luke james has been a great example that hartlepool can produce. But he was given the chance and encouragement to grow. Unless we keep this going we might aswell forget the youth team. We cannot afford these startlets from Middlesbrough.


By your logic, why dont we forget about the first team and throw all the youth team in then.

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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wearman wrote:
I must be getting old keep repeating myself but we seem to accept that higher clubs youth are going to be better than what we have. Luke james has been a great example that hartlepool can produce. But he was given the chance and encouragement to grow. Unless we keep this going we might aswell forget the youth team. We cannot afford these startlets from Middlesbrough.


Every player we've signed on loan this season has improved the squad.

As has been pointed out we had four products of the youth team in our eleven, that would stack favourably against most starting elevens in the country.

I fail to see your point, are you seriously objecting to us loaning good players!? That's bonkers.


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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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He'd have a point if we werent playing any young lads from our youth team but we started 4 and had a few others on the bench, thats pretty good going and i think any more in the team and it would be too inexperienced.

it's probably the best return of youth players we've had playing in a long while and it reflects very well on the club.

adding the odd loan player in to spice it up a bit is a good thing, williams n barmby seem to have given us a boost to the squad that was maybe going a bit flat.

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 Post subject: Re: worth a look
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Its not even as if Cooper is blindly just playing these loan players, Barmby has been on the bench for two out of his 3 games and last game didnt even get on?

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Isn't Wearman just saying that we can't afford to keep the loanees from the higher divisions so we should look to our own youths as much as possible? If we didn't use the loan system at all we'd be at a major disadvantage but too many loans stops you from building a strong squad over time.

I thought he was asking for us to get the balance right. I'd say Cooper has at the moment but its a fair point to raise.


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In a perfect world yes it would be great to never need a loan player but in reality you will.

Especially seeing as Cooper seems to have good contacts/several clubs/players with a good opinion of him then we would be stupid to not use it to our advantage.

Its not like we have 10 players on loan like Watford did, we have 3 and one doesnt even start. I reckon over the last 5 years or so we will have had fewer loan players than almost all the football league sides.

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born toulouse wrote:
Isn't Wearman just saying that we can't afford to keep the loanees from the higher divisions so we should look to our own youths as much as possible? If we didn't use the loan system at all we'd be at a major disadvantage but too many loans stops you from building a strong squad over time.

I thought he was asking for us to get the balance right. I'd say Cooper has at the moment but its a fair point to raise.


Yes thats it. We are going to have to be honest with ourselves we need to plan ahead.


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born toulouse wrote:
Isn't Wearman just saying that we can't afford to keep the loanees from the higher divisions so we should look to our own youths as much as possible? If we didn't use the loan system at all we'd be at a major disadvantage but too many loans stops you from building a strong squad over time.

I thought he was asking for us to get the balance right. I'd say Cooper has at the moment but its a fair point to raise.


He probably is saying that but his point is weakened because we are using our own youth team very well.

It's he's giving us a warning just for the sake of it over a situation that isnt happening.

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results dictate a club's actions. If we get them using our own players, great. But if we can't afford to buy/ sign new ones once the season has started, then bringing in loan players can get us the results we need until the youngsters are ready for regular first team footbal;ll

Obviously it's better to have no loan players, and I honestly don't think any club sets out to do this

These situations happen when we get injuries/suspensions or we need a boost to get us some results if we are struggling... all clubs in league 2 do it and to a greater extent than we do

I don't see the crisis in doing it, unless we get to the point where we don't have an XI at the club to win. We are nowhere near that, unlike some other clubs in the league who can't win that many even WITH loan players!!!

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Yubep wrote:

It's he's giving us a warning just for the sake of it over a situation that isnt happening.


Sounds like what everyones wife and missus does constantly.

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